<cite> @Alpha Blondy said:</cite> ^ these 'epic' travels reek of arrogance. you're hurling a lot of unnecessary insults. it's very clear you're out of touch with reality. Just because you don't like what he's saying doesn't mean you can accuse him of arrogance and insults. That's a very childish approach to handling this. I personally like what Galbeedi is saying, and I hope to see him talk about experiences in Puntland and the South. If you can't handle healthy criticism then maybe you should shut off your internet connection and live in the dark....?

Djibouti has a lot of opportunity to be a prosperous nation. Not sure why the Djiboutians don't take the initiative to build a small, wealthy nation. There's plenty of Somali businessmen operating in Africa and India and the Middle East. If more of them relocated to Djibouti and the government set favorable laws, then the economy of the country could take off. Great story btw, looking forward to any updates.

The BrainDead Atheist proved himself to be beyond reason. He's a troll, and there comes a time when you really don't want to waste your time talking to him.

Umm yeah. This is the time where I stop posting. There ain't no way I'm going to spend 5 minutes of my time formulating another repetitive response to braindead losers. He blatantly lied here, and he avoided answering a single one of my questions. The thread is open and viewable for all to see. And I hate to sound redundant.

Now watch this character come up with some new point, or repeating his old points, thinking he sounds logical. And watch him avoid every single question and challenge I've posed here. Watch it happen. He won't even bother answering anything I've ever asked him

That was the worst display of arrogance and know-nothing bravado I have ever seen on this website. Wallahi I came out the shower and I'm still in shock. The term "Ina Rabbaku yaclamu an naka taquumu" literally means "Surely your Lord knows that you stand" Stand for what? What is he standing for? Anyone with even a tiny amount of knowledge and common sense could infer that it means he's standing for prayer. Even though word "prayer" was never mentioned. The meaning gets lost in translation but that's what it means. The same way how Qiyaamul Layl literally means "Standing at Night". And obviously Qiyaamul Layl is referring to the night-prayer, where we Muslims pray for the whole night, or a portion of the night. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. The same way how it doesn't take a genius to know that Prophet Lot was offering marriage and not fornication, as anyone with even 2 brain-cells could know what this verse is inferring.

Warya do yourself a favor and come up with proper arguments. The fact that you can't even understand the term "Lost in Translation" when discussing this topic......yet you clearly understand what it means when it comes to Qiyaamul Layl, when it literally means Standing at Night, shows that you're beyond reasoning with. Now you're just being a troll

Lool are you braindead to the point where you couldn't comprehend my argument? Seriously are you kidding me? And yes I do know how to read and understand Arabic. Not fluently, but I know enough to read the Quran in its original form. You don't know me....and making up assumptions about me is only gonna make you look idiotic on this forum. You didn't answer my challenge. You completely ignored it. Nowhere could you prove your assertions and nowhere did I see a proper response to what I wrote.

When you argue, argue with honor. Debate with dignity. There's no dignity or class exhibited by this character AllYourBase. And since he's unable to answer any of my questions or address my challenges to him, then I'm not obligated to answer his silly questions. Read what I've written to him. He's unable to answer any of my questions, but instead he deflects and avoids the question, and then makes an arrogant remark.

Let me make this clear, that I'm only making this point, to finally make an address to this brain-dead character AllYourBase who insists that things have to be stated explicitly or else. Literally every language on the face of this Earth has words which carry implicit meanings based on their context, but this clown refuses to see that for himself. He's either being dishonest, or he's not very bright. Let me give you an example: Quran Chapter 73:20 Indeed, your Lord knows, [O Muhammad], that you stand [in prayer] almost two thirds of the night or half of it or a third of it, and [so do] a group of those with you. And Allah determines [the extent of] the night and the day. He has known that you [Muslims] will not be able to do it and has turned to you in forgiveness, so recite what is easy [for you] of the Qur'an. He has known that there will be among you those who are ill and others traveling throughout the land seeking [something] of the bounty of Allah and others fighting for the cause of Allah . So recite what is easy from it and establish prayer and give zakah and loan Allah a goodly loan. And whatever good you put forward for yourselves - you will find it with Allah . It is better and greater in reward. And seek forgiveness of Allah . Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Notice what I bolded. The word "prayer" wasn't mentioned anywhere here. It just said "standing". But what was the implied meaning here? What was the understanding of the verse from everyone, from the Prophet Muhammad himself to all of his companions to all of the generations of Muslims after? We're gonna play the same stubid little game with AllYourBase and say "Since this Ayah doesn't say anything regarding prayer, we can just assume that Allah was telling people to stand around" But anyone who's not brain-dead can conclude that Allah was obviously talking about prayer, when He mentioned "standing". The same way how Prophet Lot was obviously mentioning marriage, as no Prophet of God would ever sanction anything except marriage. Now this is just one small example. The Quran has literally hundreds of verses where brackets need to be inserted in the English translation, to convey the real meaning and connotations. This clown doesn't understand what "Lost in Translation" even means. Do you see how idiotic his train of thought is? Why are we allowing such imbeciles to post such things in this forum, and then claim that what they're doing is rational? Where's the rationality here?

Hawdian, that's a pretty serious accusation, accusing me of qabiilism. Why, because I oppose the actions of some Somali people, that makes me a qabiilist? That reminds me of some Americans who scream "RAAAACIST!!" if someone dares criticize the policies of Barack Obama. Get yourself together

<cite> @Tillamook said:</cite> Wow, a reasonable and pragmatic somalilander: Do they still make your kind? I thought decent Somalilanders were as extinct as the dinosaurs. DoctorKenny, you're a breath of fresh air, both literally and figuratively. I mean, you yourself admitted the existence of the pestilence that dolts like Xaaji Xayawaan and CiidanSuldan. Anyway, I'm pleased to make your acquaintance. And I hope you remain a positive representative of the decent folks of waqooyi galbeed. Pleased to make your acquaintance too Tillamook I wouldn't consider myself a Somalilander at all, and I resent members like CidanSultan who base their identity on colonial-drawn borders. If that's not mental colonialism, then I don't know what is. My father was born in the Somali Galbeed (he moved out later), but I've lived all my life in America. And even though my clan is predominant in the SSC regions, I would never consider myself a Lander. Even though whenever I visit Somalia, it's to Laascaanod (which is where most of my family lives)

Lol AllYourBase did exactly what I predicted he would do! You're repeating yourself ya AllYourBase. You're just trolling now. Go away

Tallaabo be reasonable bro. Homosexuality is at the very least as bad as fornication between an unmarried man and woman. So how can it be considered okay? Unless you want to go the route that "gay marriage" is permitted......although it's very clear that it clearly isn't okay. It isn't up to you to define what the parameters of marriage are

AllYourBase, Remember how you ran away recently when you couldn't answer any questions regarding your outlook on the world and the parameters with which you use to judge the outside world? Remember how you stuttered when you realized that you had to answer actual questions, and not copying/pasting material from other websites? It felt weird didn't it? Thinking on your own. Bet it was the first time you did so huh? You were so used to copying/pasting other arguments, regardless of how ridiculous they sounded, because it was your easy way out, wasn't it dearest AllYourBase? Here is what I said earlier: BTW AllYourBase don’t expect us to forget a couple of months ago when you were asked to elaborate on your world-view, which could then be analysed on whether it’s credible or not, and whether it can be used as a benchmark to judge past and present societies. And whether this world-view is philosophically consistent, and can provide objective (and universal) moral values. You couldn’t answer it. You disappeared from the Forum. Because you don’t know what you’re doing You’re an Amateur. And until you’re able to fulfil that task than I’m not obligated to answer anything you ask me. You’re like a man who wears a mask and then calls others ugly

People, there's no reasoning with the likes of a coward who refuses to acknowledge his mistakes, and then goes against the universal understanding of a Quranic Verse so he could fit in his perverted interpretation of it. The Quran clearly states in multiple verses that fornication is an indecent act and a major sin. So anyone with a working brain would know that Prophet Lot was offering nothing except marriage. The Quran doesn't have to explicitly mention the word "marriage" when that is the understanding of the verse when you read the Quran in it's original Arabic. Read any chapter of the Quran in English. There are brackets inserted in places where the translation would lose its intended meanings. There's even a term for that called "lost in translation". The Arabic language, and even the English language, has so much nuance and deep meanings and connotations, that explicitly saying certain words is sometimes unnecessary. Anyone who knows at least 2 different languages can testify to that. Anyone who reads the Quran in Arabic, Somali or English would know that Prophet Lot was offering marriage. There's no point in continuing this discussion any longer. Read the Quran yourself. Read Surah 15 and Surah 11 for yourself. Because AllYourBase and Xabad will say whatever they want, ignore universal Islamic guidelines (such as the prohibition of indecency and fornication) just to make a point. There's no reasoning with these braindead clowns. Now watch AllYourBase reply to me with a long-winded arrogant post, repeating the same thing. Repeating the exact same argument with the whole "You didn't answer my post" claim. Don't say I didn't warn you people.

Ya Akhi, repeating tired-old arguments doesn't equate to "tightening the screws" You made an argument based on your assumption, I provided my rebuttal. And someone else in the thread added a post agreeing with me, so that's all I need to say. Repeat your amateur arguments to those who are willing to address them. But I've said what I needed to say. You've proven your unbelievable ignorance on Islamic Traditions, and I don't feel like I want to play the role of Teacher on this forum. You'll believe what you want to believe anyway, and are predisposed to think a certain way. So there's no reasoning with the likes of you P.S. Ignorance mixed with Arrogance is a fatal combination ya "akhi"....so I suggest you lay off that behavior if you want to be taken seriously in the future.

<cite> @Tallaabo said:</cite> A lot of our dear mothers are from your clan just to let you know. I have no doubt that some of them do. But you see Tallaabo, I'm not deranged like some of these Somaliland Separatists, some of whom frequent these forums. I actually want the best for the people of Waqooyi and Toghdeer. I want them to have a peaceful and prosperous society. But some of your brethren will do whatever is in their power, including sponsoring a Shaytaan entity such as Al-Shabaab, just so it'll increase the chances of them "officially" separating from the rest of Somalia. That's the difference between us.

These people will do anything, including making a deal with International Terrorists, just to increase the chances of getting their much-coveted state recognition. They'll make a deal with the Shaytaan so they can officially gain secession recognition. They would sell their own mothers to achieve this. If this is true then granting Somaliland recognition and then treating them as an enemy state is inevitable.

There has to come some sort of compromise made between Somaliland and Puntland regarding their borders. An endless war over British/Italian made borders are exactly what the Europeans intended when they left Africa. Divide and conquer. This Somaliland/Puntland conflict is unnecessary and will cause unneeded grief on both sides.

Ahmed Samatar is an opportunist to the highest degree. Wallahi I can't stand this snake. First he runs for Federal Elections in 2012 and now he wants to play the political field in Somaliland.

<cite> @xabad said:</cite> in the Judeo-christian tradition Lot did indeed offer up his daughters for sex to the crowd in place of his male guests. its a controversial subject which apologists haven't been able to wriggle their way out of. And this DrKenney is out of his depth as usual, he really is making up stuff on the fly. give it up dude. Xabad, abaayo....please don't concern yourself with arguments you know nothing about. Open up a book and stop involving yourself with things that are well beyond your brain capacity. The Judeo-Christian Tradition is corrupt, has nothing to do with this topic, and I don't care to discuss it. We're talking about Islam here. This is my last address to you xabad. So any response you make thereafter will only get a little chuckle from me, and nothing more

LOL, The same arguments, simply rehashed and written in a different style End it. You're not logical, and judging by these posts, you don't have a shred of self-respect either

BTW AllYourBase don't expect us to forget a couple of months ago when you were asked to elaborate on your world-view, which could then be analysed on whether it's credible or not, and whether it can be used as a benchmark to judge past and present societies. And whether this world-view is philosophically consistent, and can provide objective (and universal) moral values. You couldn't answer it. You disappeared from the Forum. Because you don't know what you're doing You're an Amateur. And until you're able to fulfil that task than I'm not obligated to answer anything you ask me. You're like a man who wears a mask and then calls others ugly

People, look at the level of depravity this thread has sunk to. And look at the complete lack of common sense exhibited by this member AllYourBase He would really have us believe that the Prophet Lot, offered his daughters to be made as prostitutes, simply because the word "marriage" wasn't explicitly stated in the Quranic Verse. Even though fornication is a serious sin in Islam, carrying a stiff punishment. Even though Prophet Lot was a righteous person who wouldn't engage in such despicable behavior. Even though anyone with a working brain can obviously infer what Prophet Lot intended when he offered his daughters in marriage to these men, and he explicitly stated "They are purer for you" and he stated "So guard against the punishment of Allah" and obviously you can't do that if you're warding off one sin by committing another sin. You can't ward off homosexuality by encouraging fornication. It's extremely amateur to even make that point and not a single person with even a modicum of self-respect would make such an argument. Anyone with a working brain and a tiny bit of sincerity and common sense would know what the Prophet Lot was offering (marriage). That Prophet Lot, by his actions and by his statements, would never offer his daughters for prostitution or anything of the sort. But AllYourBase already knows this. And he's looking for any excuse to drag on this discussion. Read here: Surah 11:78- And his people came to him, (as if) rushed on towards him, and already they did evil deeds. He said: O my people! these are my daughters-- they are purer for you, so guard against (the punishment of) Allah and do not disgrace me with regard to my guests; is there not among you one right-minded man? 11:79- They said: Certainly you know that we have no right to your daughters, and most surely you know what we desire. 11:80- He said: Ah! that I had power to suppress you, rather I shall have recourse to a strong support. [The Quran ; 11:78-80] He's an amateur with amateur arguments, no coherent thought-processes, and a strong copy/paste button on his laptop where he literally copies arguments from others and then passes them off as his own