Under the current system, the only way opportunistic thugs and losers can ever achieve something in life, is by joining the Government and hoping for a big paycheque. Under a free market system in Somalia, the only way these losers can ever achieve something is by working hard and being of service to the people. Naturally, they don't like that and will do everything to oppose it. The Government of Somalia should have a very limited job, and should stick to their limited duties. We could do well with a Government Spending that's about 10% of GDP

Yeah definitely. Somalis are already an enterprising people, we are risk-takers, and we know how to get what we want in the Free Market. In Nairobi, you can find Somali businessmen selling products from all over the world, at a much cheaper price than what the Kenyans or Indians sell it for. We have our good qualities and our bad qualities. And the bad qualities of Somalis are amplified when we have a Big Government. Everyone's heard stories about the level of corruption during Siad Barre's era. The good qualities of Somalis are amplified when we have a small Government and free markets. Somalis would be manufacturing, expanding businesses, constructing, teaching, and investing at extremely high rates. And we could catch up to the rest of Africa in under 15 years. (Probably even less than that) What I would propose, would be to set up a government which enforces national security, prosecutes criminals, enforces contracts, and protects private property. Everything else can be handled by the Free Market. I've seen Somali private schools, private hospitals, and private organizations which offer far better services than anything a Government Agency can offer. And if peace is restored in Somalia, there will literally be hundreds of companies competing for customers. This will force companies to drive down their prices and increase the quality. And if a Somali company does a terrible job, they can go bankrupt and be replaced by a newer, better company. The same way how Pan American Airways, TWA, and Woolworth's went bankrupt and vanished because they couldn't compete. And they were replaced by others who could do a far better job than them. With government, that can't happen. With government, if they do a terrible job, you're forced to accept it and you really can't do anything about it. If the government delivers terrible electricity services, then you have to accept it. If a private company delivers terrible electricity, then you could easily switch to the competitor. This is the beauty of the free market. Somalia could become an extremely prosperous country in a relatively short time, if the right economic policies are pursued.

Galbeedi, which is why I think it's better for Somalia to adopt a more Libertarian stance when it comes to running the economic affairs of the country. Somalia can't handle being a big bureaucratic centralized State such as the U.K. or France. The corruption amongst the Somali government officials would be endemic, and no amount of preventative measures will be able to curb it. If a politician doesn't outright rob the citizens, then he would appoint his nephew or his cousin to high positions within the government. This was a reality during the Kacaan era. Government officials often appointed their family members to high positions of power, despite the fact that they have no skills or credentials of their own. And this robs the Somali citizen in more ways than I can describe. So perhaps we should adopt a system where the Government enforces criminal law and property law, but then steps out of the way and lets the citizens conduct their own affairs. As peace is maintained in the country, then the citizens would establish their own private companies or partnerships which could deliver services to the people in a very efficient manner. We've already seen how efficient and competent Dahabshiil is. Dahabshiil and the Khat Market has proven what Somalis can do if we put our minds to it. And we can accomplish a lot if we had a government with a laissez-faire approach to economics and governance

Cidan maybe this is part of some contract requirements where Somalia is obligated to send troops to South Sudan as part of IGAD? Maybe Somalia is only sending an extremely small token force? Perhaps only a few men. Just to fulfill the contract requirements. I remember when NATO invaded Afghanistan, while the Americans sent over 100 000 soldiers, some NATO countries only sent like 20 or 30 soldiers. Just as a token effort towards the war. Just to fulfil their contract requirements. It's inconsequential.

Osman, what's with this one person wanting to be the boss of someone else? It's just a picture. Like...is this a point of pride, where Abdiweli looks like he's the boss of Qeybdiid? It's cheap politics saaxib.

Looks to me that there'll be even more increased cooperation between Puntland and Galmudug...? Perhaps even future unification? What do you guys think?

Xaaji, of course I would want talks between Khaatumo and Somaliland. That would be the best solution. But I don't want to sound like some of the arrogant Diaspora folks who feel like they should impose their will on Somalia. I'm living in America, so even though I come from Lascaanood, I really have no right to tell them what to do. It really is up to the folks who live on the ground. I'm advocating for those people. The people who are actually IN Somalia, not the arrogant diaspora folks who sit in air-conditioned offices in London and Toronto....talking about "Khaatumo this" or "Somaliland that." Those people serve no benefit and do far more damage than good.

Xaaji there's no doubt that many people in Sool/Sanaag support the Somaliland Administration. But there's also a great many Reer Sool/Sanaag who would rather be part of a Federal Somalia. So why choose one over the other? And showing a few happy videos of the people isn't going to change the facts on the ground. Again... Wouldn’t it be better for negotiations to arise between Puntland, Somaliland, and Reer Sanaag/Sool so we could draw the borders in a way that can satisfy both parties? And avoid conflict? Because this conflict is extremely unnecessary and instead of focusing on development, both governments are posturing and diverting their energies to this unnecessary war. Nobody wants to see hostilities between Somalis.

Xaaji, again.....I'm not here to argue that the Union in 1960 was a disaster. And I know that Somalia was never a united political entity, ever. Somalia was always populated by several autonomous kingdoms and administrations. I'm just saying, that if the people of Waqooyi, Awdal, and Toghdeer want to form their own separate Republic, then that's fine. But what's with this obsessive interest the Reer Waqooyi have over Sanaag and Sool? Why don't they have this obsessive interest over...Nugaal for example? What's so special about Sool and Sanaag? And why do they feel the relentless need to rule over them, even if it's against Reer Sanaag's interests? Is it due to the colonial British borders? Wouldn't it be better for negotiations to arise between Puntland, Somaliland, and Reer Sanaag/Sool so we could draw the borders in a way that can satisfy both parties? And avoid conflict? Because this conflict is extremely unnecessary and instead of focusing on development, both governments are posturing and diverting their energies to this unnecessary war.

Cidan, fine. You believe that uniting with the Somalis down South in 1960 was a bad idea. I'm not arguing with you there, so there's no use in bringing that up. And Somalia doesn't "exist today" due to Anglo-Italian treaties. What kind of B.S. are you peddling on this forum? We've existed for centuries before the Europeans ever set foot on our land. In fact, we Somalis would have been far better off if the Europeans never came. Yeah sure, there probably would have been several mini Somali states, but it would have been better than having our lands administered by the British and then given to the Kenyans and Ethiopians to manage (NFD and Somali Galbeed). And there might have arose a genuine confederation amongst like-minded Somalis, based on mutual understanding and shared values. If you want to build your own independent State, then why do you feel the need to drag others with you? Others who might not share your separatist views, based simply on British-drawn colonial borders? If "British Somaliland" also consisted of Nugaal and Bari, would you insist on taking that land as well? Where is the logic here?

Kennedy Somalia borders are Italian, Djibouti is French what is your point. Every county in Africa other then Ethiopia is the creation of a European power so WtF is your point??? Somaliland has the same borders and if you didn't realise we live in an imperfect world in a hostile region and I would rather somaliland be wiped off the face of the earth then share anything with Somalia. Nothing you or I can do about it. Ethier I will live or you will live no sugar coating abou it. Let's be real. This is to the end. Cidan, so instead of setting-right the historical wrongs, you want to continue this and are PROUD of your British-created country? You see, that's the problem with you SNM thugs, you have no pride or self-respect. The British stole NFD from Somalis and gave it to the Kenyan Bantus. They stole the Somali Galbeed and gave it to the Amharas. And if you want to seek independence, by all means do so. It's up to you. But don't drag other Somalis into joining your Tribal Republic just because you shared a British-Drawn Protectorate. Remember: The British colonized the entire Indian Subcontinent also. But now it's divided into several countries; India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka. The Indians didn't base their unity on British-drawn borders. When the British left, they separated into their own separate nations. But you SNM thugs are slaves to the British and keep insisting on it. Somalia has a long history, and we weren't created in 1960 like you SNM folks would have us believe. If you were truly a Pro-Somali Nationalist, maybe you could have sought cooperation and federation with Puntland and Djibouti? Those two areas would be naturally peaceful but instead you're hell-bent on bending over to your British Masters and accepting their colonial-drawn borders. No pride wallahi. P.S. I feel the same disdain towards Lebanese Nationalists. Lebanon is a creation of the French. It's an artificial country created in the 20th century, yet some Lebanese people I know are actually proud of this label and see themselves as different from the Jordanians and Syrians (although they're the same people)

CidanSultan is talking a tough game, but he knows he needs British support for his tribal enclave. He even defines his tribal nationalism based on the borders of the British-drawn colonial state. If he was really simply a Somaliland Separatist, he would only seek separation based on his tribal borders. But he wants everything his British Masters gave him. He wants the land that belongs to people who don't believe in Somaliland Despicable

Mooge, you will never find people who worship money as much as these people. I thought the Hindus were money worshippers, I thought the Jews were like that, but these Bantus take it to an entirely new level. They're training the very enemy that they're fighting in order to enrich themselves. Sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction.

This is an unfortunate state of affairs May Allah deliver the people of Somalia from this awful predicament

The corruption of these Bantus knows no bounds. A serious change needs to happen, and maybe it's time that Somalia's Army actually get paid the 1200 dollars a month. Instead of the measly 150 dollars they might be paid. It'll realign our incentives and attract thousands of Somali men willing to fight. AMISOM soldiers would prefer to be in Somalia indefinitely, and to keep this conflict going on indefinitely

Dr Osman, have you ever thought of Puntland removing some of their regulations and allowing private companies to start generating electricity in Puntland? The demand for electricity is certainly there. Once electricity corporations see that their profit margins would be high if they opened up electricity-plants in Puntland, then this will cause an influx of foreign companies in Somalia. As the supply increases, and the demand stays the same, then the price will drop massively. This is how electricity has become so cheap in America over the last 50 years or so. And then this can encourage other businesses and factories to start opening up in Puntland, once the cost of business (ie. electricity, labor, security) drops. Electricity should never be handled by the Government. Governments are naturally inefficient, corrupt, and unable to meet the demands of their citizens. What do you think?

If the Somali Government ramps up the pressure on Al Shabaab, and wages a propaganda war against them, then maybe....just maybe. They'll be defeated very soon. If Godane and his inner circle are destroyed, then alhamdulilah.

Am I the only one who finds this entire discussion hilarious? This is comedy wallahi I'm laughing out loud at every post

<cite> @Cadale said:</cite> Spot on doctor. walahi my moral has never been lower than the last couple of months. a line in the qeylodhaan song comes to mind '' Qabriga oon galnaa dhaanta qaabka aan nahay'' Same with mine wallahi. Sometimes I think, one day the United Nations is gonna be fed up with Somalia and then they'll break Somalia up into several mini-states that can be easily managed. They might think it'd be a better solution than allowing this perpetual chaos to continue If we don't get our act together, that's a very likely possibility.

Burah, my change of heart was simply because I was so irritated when I read what you wrote and couldn't understand anything. You can speak proper English if you want to. I've read your other posts before. And if the Kenyans are mad that Somalis are causing problems in their country, then maybe Kenya shouldn't be arming or sponsoring different warlords and playing them against each other? It's strange how Kenya's attempts to exploit Somalia ends up biting them in the ass, isn't it? Kenya and Ethiopia have a very obvious role in prolonging the Somali Civil War for the last 23 years. So now when the poison starts spreading into their country, then they start complaining about it! You can't have your cake and eat it too. Their hypocrisy is overwhelming.

<cite> @SomaliPhilosopher said:</cite> If Somalia came together and operated as a nation with an interlinked economy, Puntland would not need to spend its efforts on farming. regional specialization. Exactly. Puntland could specialize in finance, or manufacturing, or some other field in the economy while the South focuses on agriculture. But that could only work if there was genuine cooperation between Somalis

Yeah Cadale, hopefully. But who's to say this won't just temporarily anger us, and then we go back to our usual Tribal B.S. we're so used to spewing? The 2011 famine taught us nothing. The 2007 Ethiopian invasion of Somalia, where thousands of Somalis were killed or paralyzed.....that taught us nothing. The foreigners dumping toxic waste in the Somali Ocean taught us nothing. The Saudis deporting 25 000 Somalis for no reason taught us absolutely nothing. So why should this incident be any different? When will Somalis ever learn?

^^Why do you always pollute threads with that type of talk? Burah.....Do you know how to speak proper English bro? It's a serious question

It's really just a suggestion Alpha! After all, I want what's best for you If you ever need to talk to someone about your personal problems, I'm always here

This discussion isn't about me, it's about you saaxib. I'm asking the questions, not you. You should really get yourself together. Maybe you should work on some new comedic material, watch some Kevin Hart or Chris Rock stand-up routines, and then return to SomaliaOnline in 6 months?