<cite> @smartlander said:</cite> The toothless regime in Mogadishu can't do anything. Weak government where even their own officials are unsafe from Kenyan brutality This is what the Mogadishu Regime gets for their incompetence and extreme selfishness and short-sightedness. What we're seeing right now is the devaluation of the Somali nation. Somalis have become cheap, Kenyans can rob/rape/kill Somalis with impunity, and nothing will be done about it. The Kenyans know it, the Somalis know it, and it's just a sad reality. Allah will humiliate Somalis again and again until the people fix their behavior and change their values.

<cite> @Alpha Blondy said:</cite> someone ought to check the terrorist's shoes for a bomb. it's definitely worth checking before accepting. i would've checked. you just don't know, these days........ ta kale, ya usheega the terrorist that these artificial displays of piety and self-sacrifices are not impressing anyone. what's the point he'll probably purchase a new pair of expensive shoes from his government benefits. Why do you insist on being such an unpleasant person? Are you running out of jokes, or are you venting due to some personal problems you might have? Enlighten us Alpha

Just because those 2 men are from the Hargeisa clan doesn't mean they don't have the right to live, work, and take public office in Mogadishu. We shouldn't discriminate based on clan or it will lead down to a very dangerous road. Or do Somalilanders believe that their clan is "ethnically" different and thus has no business living and working in Mogadishu? Is a Somali man from the Ceelbuur clan or the Hobyo clan allowed to live and work in Hargeisa? Would he be permitted to take public office? We've all seen stories of Pakistani and Somali men taking public office in BRITAIN, which is the White British Man's land. The Somali has no historical claim to Britain yet you see him taking public office. Some of you posters are sending a very wrong message. A very wrong message indeed.

Yeah Xaaji I totally agree. Except for a few exceptions, Somalis by and large don't give a damn what others think about them. Even the ones who live in foreign countries couldn't care less about what their foreign hosts think of them. We're Somalis and we're a very self-absorbed people. Most Somalis I know couldn't be bothered to even make friends with an Ajnaabi. We're that self-absorbed. Most Somalis I know, especially those in their 30's and above, don't have a SINGLE ajnabi friend. And I mean real friend, not someone you say "hi" to at the masjid or workplace. I agreed with you the whole time. I just was pointing out to CidanSultan that concerning yourself about what others think of you is futile and a waste of time. People will think whatever they want. If Cidan wants to separate, then he should do it for himself and his land. He shouldn't propose separation just to impress some Europeans or other foreigners.

Yeah exactly. Al Shabaab is in this for the long haul, and although they're not as crazy as the Taliban, they're still on that level of extremism. Do you think in the future, if things keep going this way, Al Shabab might agree to come to the table with the Somali Government as long as 1. The country is rid of all foreigners and 2. The country is ruled by Shariah Law (but not their twisted version of Shariah, which is degenerate extremism and total injustice) This could be a very real possibility as long as Godane is done away with, and there are some moderate elements within Al Shabab which could be reasoned with. Godane, however, is beyond negotiations and has to be done away with.

<cite> @Hawdian said:</cite> ^ Whats that to do with the subject I think people are debating about one and suddenly changing to something totally different . Inthis way the thread contintues ...... Forever lets keep it simple folks stay in the same subject. Sorry about that. LOL Yeah that was a total topic-changer.

Xaaji but this strategy can only do so much. Al Shabab can never control large swathes of Somalia's territory like they did in the past. They can never control the entire country and be Somalia's Government. Whereas the Taliban in Afghanistan has a very real chance of becoming the Government of that country once the NATO troops start withdrawing. There have even been talks of negotiations between the two parties and it's a very possible scenario. Al Shabab has no chance in governing Somalia. You can't really compare our two countries. There's very little similarities even though the strategies of Godane and Mullah Omar might be similar.

Cidan, saaxib....just to let you know. The people in America and Europe don't give a damn about the difference between "Somaliland" and "Somalia". To them you're all just Somalis. The same way they don't give a damn about the difference between Syrian Arabs and Iraqi Arabs and Kuwaiti Arabs. They're all the same in their eyes. You really have no control over how people view you. If they decided to hate on you, then it's just a part of life. Just live and let live.

LOL I'm a huge fan of Yusuf Estes and Nouman Ali Khan and Said Rageah. This is a good message, Women should definitely take center-stage in society's affairs. Do you know where we can watch these conference lectures online? Perhaps a Youtube recording? I'd like to check out some of these lectures.

Tillamook, competition is indeed good. The jealousy and hatred amongst Somalis might not disappear, but if we compete in economic development, this will only be good in the long run. Let each region in Somalia compete to see who has the best infrastructure, the best schools, and the biggest economy. At least their distrustfulness of each other will be put towards good use After a generation, then the hatred and jealousy will slowly wane inshaAllah.

<cite> @Alpha Blondy said:</cite> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL MUST WATCH VIDEO Y'ALL....... Wow, may Allah make it easy for her and all women like her. She made some really good points. It really isn't that funny Alpha

Notice how CidanSultan is implicating all Somalis who are not Somalilanders of Siad Barre's crimes!! Is this guy mentally stable? So the Somalis who live in Sool and Sanaag are innocent of what Siad Barre did, but the Somalis who live in Nugaal and Bari, or Hiiraan or Jubba, are completely guilty and share the blame with Siad Barre? So depending on what region of the country you hail from, you share the guilt with Siad Barre? I cannot believe this guy can say such nonsense with a straight face. He actually believes what he's saying

<cite> @Alpha Blondy said:</cite> you're a fake akhi. you're not serious about your deen. Even if this clown AlphaBlondy asked me if I torture cats or if I set people on fire or anything heinous like that, I wouldn't even bother answering any of his questions. I wouldn't even deny it. He's not worth answering to And the reasons for that are too obvious

<cite> @Dalmar1 said:</cite> Sxb Somaliland and puntland can secede for all we HAG care, but Galkacyo up to Kismayo belongs to DF in Xamar, and I suggest the two landers up north secede before its too late, as the SFG is gaining in momentum (in terms of Diplomatic, political, economical and militarily) alarmingly everyday! In short, Pack up and Leave before its too late! Dalmar, you're making it look like the people of the North don't want to see Xamar gain political and economic power. Good for them. InshaAllah we form an inclusive Federal Government where everyone is equal regardless of clan. You're making your progress seem like some sort of hostile competition. I'm happy to see Somalis progress, regardless of what region of the country they hail from. I don't like the fact that Somalilanders want to secede from the Union, but if a development project is undertaken in Hargeisa or Berbera, I'm all for it!

<cite> @Alpha Blondy said:</cite> you're a hypocrite promoting fitnah. you mean to tell me you support 'mixed' gender weddings? The day I ever answer any of your interrogation questions is the day I leave this forum. Don't ask me anything waryaa. I ask you questions, not the other way around. Learn your place Alpha.

<cite> @Alpha Blondy said:</cite> you're spreading fitnah. kulaha ''accommodate''. i bet you don't even have a beard. you're a liberal. no mixed wedding. it's haram. You really lost your trolling skills saaxib. Last year, you were a Top Troll. This year, I think you lost your edge. Maybe you should do what I told you to do and just take a break for a few months? Who knows what might happen

<cite> @Hawdian said:</cite> ^ freedom of speach mate, this is not the kacaaan october revolution. Eventhough though for sure some are missing hersi morgan, saiad and the other rescals. That's the mentality of so many people in the North, and it sickens me that this is a common view. Hersi Morgan is a friend to nobody. Aside from his crimes in Somaliland, he was directly responsible for tens of thousands of deaths in South Somalia. But you want to totally ignore that You categorize all Somalis based on the actions of a few deranged individuals. You base your entire emotional rants on the actions of criminals such as Morgan, Siad barre and others.

I don't think it would be feasible at all, to combine this in one event. In the Somali weddings I've been to, the Men's Nikaah consists of some men who are religious and would rather not attend the Mixed-Wedding ceremony which will occur that night. The same goes for the all-girls reception and bridal shower. It would consist of some women who would rather not attend mixed-gender events. And then you have people in the middle, those who attend the Nikaah AND they attend the mixed-wedding. And that's where most of the people show up and have a good time. So it's the best of both worlds. You can accommodate the wishes of everyone and still have a fantastic wedding.

<cite> @Apophis said:</cite> Give whatever excuse your economics professors have imbibed in you, but the result is clear. Corrupt politicians are no worse than those who see humans as cash cows to be milked dry at will. People are corrupt. There's no questioning that. But the only difference between me and you, is that I want to decentralize the power of any individual person, to curb corruption. Nobody wants to see a CEO or a Politician becoming too powerful Any concentration of power into the hands of a select group of men, will lead to corruption and waste. And this is a fact.

<cite> @Tallaabo said:</cite> Since when did SOL trolls become the representatives of the Somali people? Since CidanSultan and his cuqduud-filled rants started filling this forum. This man is blatantly anti-DBlock and anti-Hblock. He doesn't even hide his bigotry and animosity towards other Somalis, and others started following his same tactics.

<cite> @Apophis said:</cite> This has worked well for America where the poor had to go without basic healthcare until the government had to step in. It's a case of out of the frying pan into the fire. You do realize that the Federal Government in America provides Medicaid coverage for the poor? And you do realize that the Government heavily distorted market prices in the healthcare field, since Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society" programs. The cost of healthcare has risen dramatically in the past few decades, and government's fingerprints are all over this fiasco. This is crony capitalism saaxib. I hate crony capitalism. Where corporate CEO's bribe government officials to pass legislation favorable to them. But that's not the topic. That's not what we're talking about

Dalmar, that's because the circumstances are not one and the same. Puntland and Somaliland together already constitute over 60% of Somali territory. The Landers are pretty adamant on seceding, and if things turn the wrong way for Puntland, they can declare secession as well. And it'll be much more possible if it were 2 regions declaring secession instead of just one. Again, this is a worst case scenario and no one would like to see this happen. And BTW, of course Puntland is bankrupt! Ever since Mogadishu has been rising as a city, Bosaso port (where the Puntland government takes in most of their revenue) has dried up. Couple that with a lack of foreign investment and no stable currency, this would obviously lead to poverty and a lack of development. Not to mention that virtually all foreign aid to Somalia gets swallowed up by Mogadishu, leaving Puntland in the cold HOWEVER, if Puntland is independent. And if they do have a strong military which controls the full territory (which they already do), then there's no question that their economy would grow. As long as they have the proper regulations to ensure a good business climate, then who's to say that the thousands of Somali businessmen who are living in Zambia, Angola, and Kenya won't be relocating to Puntland? They could easily apply for citizenship and then start investing in the new country. The only reason why these Somali businessmen haven't come to Somalia yet, is due to lack of safety, lack of property rights, and a hostile business climate. P.S. I'm not a citizen of Puntland and I don't hail from that part of Somalia, just letting you know. But I'm just suggesting the endless possibilities which could result if any one region of Somalia (or the whole of Somalia) becomes peaceful.

<cite> @Apophis said:</cite> The people should be robbed by unelected cartels instead of elected politicians. Bloody great idea from the school of greed, aka: economics. Apophis, 1. Dealing with a business isn't like dealing with the government. If you don't like how a certain company does things, you can leave and deal with the competitor. The same how I hated Verizon, so I switched to T-Mobile and received better service. With government you don't have that choice. Even if you vote, the guy you voted for could have lost the election and you'll be forced to deal with someone you don't like. And deal with a government bureaucracy which you can't stand. 2. Aside from some exceptions (and this is due to monopoly and lack of proper regulations), private companies don't "rob" people. You pay them money and they give you goods and services. It's pretty straightforward saaxib. I'd much rather deal with them than a government ministry which decides how many goods should be produced and how they should be distributed. This leads to chronic shortages and wasted labor, and Siad Barre's era was full of examples of Somalis waiting in long lines for hours for the most basic stuff (ie. bread, eggs, leather, etc.)

Dalmar, The 1990's are nothing like today. The Puntlanders back in the 1990's had no leverage, no political institutions, no military and they weren't organized. So of course they were easy to kill and easy to take advantage of. Nowadays, if things take a turn for the worse (inshaAllah it doesn't), but if things take a turn for the worse....Then Puntland could set up a border between themselves and Galmudug, and set up another border between themselves and Somaliland, and then declare themselves an independent Republic. No one would wanna see this happen, but it's certainly doable. Puntland has almost all the institutions of a state and there's no question that they are viable, just like their cousins in Somaliland. You can see how paranoid and on-guard the Puntlanders are nowadays anyway.

His qosol is filled with cuqduud and hatred and everytime he laughs you can see it right through him. Hassan Sheikh doesn't like the current constitution, and is doing everything he can to prevent the formation of more regional administrations, so he could centralize his power. What he's too stupid to realize is, is that he's alienating the vast majority of Somalis by doing this. There's no way he's coming back in 2016. InshaAllah, Somalia's gains won't be reversed in the next 2 years and the formation of regional states would be completed by then