The world's newest ethnicity! British Somalilanders! They've existed since 1884, when the British entered East Africa, and they are the world's newest ethnic group. I really learned something new today!

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> Ethnic Somalilanders are of higher pedigree than Arabs "Ethnic Somalilander" What is that exactly? I'm from the Laascaanod clan. Am I an Ethnic Somalilander? And am I really any different than the Reer Bari people, or the Reer Galgaduud people? I had no idea that when the British entered the Horn of Africa, that they created an entirely new Ethnic group when they colonized Waqooyi and Toghdeer. That's something totally new to me. Do elaborate more, show us how through DNA Studies and other scientific studies, that "Ethnic Somalilanders" are of higher pedigree than Arabs and Koonfurians. It'll be a groundbreaking study

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> Man will do anything for power xassan daahir aweys did the same so why not xassan if he is discarded by the international community. I'm quite sure if this man Culusow is deposed, then he will attempt to take as much money he can out of Somalia's Government, and then retire in peace in Tanzania or Turkey or some other country. There ain't no way Culusow is gonna go that route.

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> if the IC wants Hassan gone he will be gone the same way Dhukuro forced Cabdilahi yusuf to resign but as it looks like now its just some parliamentarians making a scene. If Culusow is deposed before his term ends in 2016, He might Create the Damuljadid Brigade and forge an alliance with Amiir Godane to topple the IC selected next leader. But as it seems the international community has no interest to create another tension in Somalia they will most likely allow hassan to end his term. LOL Do you really think that Culusow is gonna turn rogue and create an alliance under Godane? Are you kidding me here?

<cite> @SomaliPhilosopher said:</cite> lool bro emotions have clouded your mind. immunity? for what?? lol being ineffective is not illegal I could be wrong, but they don't even need to actually convict Culusow of anything. All that needs to be done is to give the implied threat that he will be charged with illegally supporting militias or illegally distributing arms or illegally taking government money or any other charge. If these MP's are serious about bringing him down, they can be pretty ingenious in finding SOMETHING to charge this President with.

When you have that many MP's (and probably more) against Culusow, and who will use anything they can to legally oust him, then there's probably going to be some settlement where Culusow will agree to step down in exchange for immunity or something of the sort.

Tallaabo..... Cidan Sultan sometimes says "I own Laascaanood, you people live under my boot" And then he has the audacity to call Reer Laascaanod his "countrymen". He's full of contradictions, he's an emotional pile of cuqduud and hatred. What a terrible human being. He actually celebrates whenever something bad happens in the South.

<cite> @smartlander said:</cite> Suug suug suug Hold the frying pan up Who are you to complain about my reasonable power sharing formula? Were you not keeping the Somali people hostage for 25 years? How dare you? You killed 500K Somalis and you think you are fit to govern with a majority? In what universe? You cant even control the traffic in 5 km Mogadishu. Somaliland if anything deserves to rule your monkey butt. Only Somalilanders understand governance and you understand only war. You expect us to accept a war like people majority control? Why should I join your pirate country? Your terrorist country? Why should I put my clan in harms way? Give me one good darn reason why I should have my future kids live under southern mafia rule? Are you thinking straight? You should be ruled like the Tutsi rule the majority Hutu in Rwanda. And here I am giving you 50% stake and you have the audacity of questioning me with your AK47 in my face. You want us. We dont need you. I gave you the 50% share out of Somalinimo and fairness. You gave my people 20 seats in your joke of a AMISOM parliament and you expect me to continue receiving bad deals? Its humilating enough associating with you terrorists and pirates If you think for a second that you will bring Somaliland back in the union where you can put us in a position of being ruled by the southern mafia, you need to get checked by your doctor. 50% or nothing and I will tell you Silanyo himself if he accepts unity will demand more than 50%. If you think I am an extremist, the people in Somaliland will be asking for your arm and leg for even contemplating rejoining that disgusting embarassing mess you call a country. We don't need you. You for some reason need us. You will not be calling the shots if we get back to the table. We pull the strings. Not you. You hold no cards. You hold only bombs and bullets Considering that I'm a Northerner Somali who lives in America, it's a bit of a stretch for you to claim that I had anything to do with the Civil War and the resulting chaos. But what gives you the arrogance to paint all Somalis with one brush despite the fact that a small minority of thugs and thug-sympathizers have taken this country hostage for 25 years? Are you going to also mention your cousin Godane, who's done his fair share of damage in the South? Godane, who's probably the only real major obstacle to some sort of fragile peace in the country as of 2014? Get off your high horse mentality. Puntland is peaceful too. Why do you make it seem like Waqooyi is the ONLY peaceful region of the country?? You have a very simplistic view of the country aboowe. I'm from Lascaanod, and I don't view myself as better than anyone from the South at all. And arrogance will get you nowhere. About this "we don't need you, you need us" nonsense. Somaliland has proven that they have some of the best governing techniques in the country. They've built a government and civil society from scratch and that's very admirable. They should be a model for the rest of Somalis and we can all learn a lot from you, but instead you want to say "You guys are all thugs and pirates".....do you really think that's the best way to speak with someone? Speak with respect. I never disrespected you once, yet you're talking in such a manner and painting millions of people with one brush.

<cite> @Mooge said:</cite> malistar, To be honest, there is no progress other than Turkey making true of their promise to the somali people before qoslaye came to power. security is going down the drain and alshabab is everywhere now. clans are divided because he is the most clanish president we have ever and he is incompetent and doesn't know how to run basic things. He is the most corrupt guy ever as you know what happened at the Central Bank. Qoslaye only cares about his sub clan and his damjadiid bodies. All we can really do is patiently wait until 2016. And if Somalia is disappointed again by another clannish, incompetent buffoon similar to Qoslaye.....then I really think that the UN would authorize the dismemberment of Somalia into several small states. Somaliland/Puntland/Jubbaland etc.

These guys are almost as bad as the ISIS folks in Syria and Iraq. This is disgusting to hear. A huge propaganda campaign must begin in the South against Al Shabab. And there needs to be actual punishment against ANYONE who harbors information about Al Shabab but refuses to share it with the authorities.

The people of Somalia will demand a much much higher standard of behavior and competence for the prospective Presidential candidates in 2016. Culusow is done. Even if he was to cure cancer or raise the dead, he will never come back to office. Not after that whole Kenyan fiasco.

Xaaji, what are we in some diplomatic meeting where we have to abide by certain standard protocol? This is a forum, I don't have time to say "President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud" every single time I refer to this man. What's with this silly talk? I call him Culusow because it's 1 word and it's easier to type, and it gets to the point. And I never downplayed Sheikh Sharif's role. Sheikh Sharif/Abdiweli Gaas accomplished a lot in 2011 and 2012. And Culusow has never capitalized on this, he has no vision. If he was simply financially corrupt, I wouldn't even oppose him. If he took a few million dollars from the Government Treasury and bought himself a home, but he did other good things such as helping to stabilize the country, then the good outweighs the bad and I wouldn't even be upset. But all of the accomplishments of the past 20 months were nothing out of his own initiative. These developments are happening WITHOUT him, and if anything he's slowing whatever progress we might be making as a country. Culusow doesn't deserve the credit.

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> President hasssan is doing fine and he will remain in office to 2016 and finishes his term Somalia has now a permanent govt "Somalia has no a permanent govt" ^^Through no credit to his own. That was thanks to Abdiweli Gaas. The same "Abdi Cawar" you seem to dislike so much. Tell me, what has Culusow done in the past 20 months in office? What has he really accomplished through his own initiative? Every single success story that comes out of Somalia has nothing to do with Culusow and his cronies

<cite> @Mahiigaan said:</cite> I used to be a unionist but not any more. I lost all confidence in Koonfur, which with all honesty is not ready for a any government to be established any time soon. Have you guys noticed how Mogadishu residents hush about all the crimes happening in Mogadishu. Alshabab are committing whatever killings they want freely in the capital. Moreover, the government is abslutely passive in securing the city let alone other territories, creating the Federal States and completing the rest of the constitution. I am convinced that there will never ever be a government without changing, at least temporarily, the capital to a safer place. The majority of Somalis hold the same opinion. I don't want to waste my time on growing a tree that never bears fruits. Somalilanders are genuine in taking of their peace but I am not a fan the government. They don't have a vision of how to improve the economy, health care and education. I would like them to build technical Institutes so that the young graduates can be self employed or fill those professions where foreigners are needed. Clinics are another problem in rural areas where mothers have to travel a distance to the closest bigger towns to deliver if complications occur. One of the most factors that hinder any progress in the economy is energy. Wind and solar energy could be utilized to augment traditional electric generation. Somaliland needs new blood. They need new leadership. Right now they're being led by the old-guard. These are older men of the 1970's who don't have the slightest idea on how to run an independent nation. Somaliland needs young technocrats with vision and ideals, who can improve the economy and create employment for the people who need it the most. Too many locals are running away to Yemen or Europe or some other place looking for work. The potential in Somaliland is astounding. It's about time the leaders unleash this potential.

<cite> @smartlander said:</cite> Somaliland will never rejoin the union until the Mogadishu people learn how to share. Don't bloody call us for union when you people can't share anything. Somaliland needs: 50% of ministers 50% of ministry headquarters 50% of federal funding Either PM or President And IAG clan needs 61 MPs If you cannot fulfil that, get lost. We are tired of your whining. Somalidiid is only you Walanweyns. You reject other Somalis for your clan And we need full apology from Wanlaweyn for ruining the union. The Somali republic will be 50% focus on Somaliland Otherwise get lost. We are tired of you pirates and terrorists. We dont want to hear you anymore until you sign our agreement. It will be in the constitution "Somaliland entitlement". Every year all the Wanlaweyn, baby to elder, July 1st, have to put their hand on Quran and read the constitution. Every single wanlaweyn. Why should Somaliland deserve 50% of the Ministers when they're not even 50% of the population? If you had a LITTLE fairness in you, you'd propose that Somaliland receives 33%. Because if Somaliland has 3 million people, and the whole of Somalia has 9 million, then that means they're 33% of Somalia. So why should they be given HALF of the authority? Whatever happened to one man one vote?

I'm wondering who is it exactly that's whispering in Qoslaye's ears? Who's giving him advice? How is it that this President....manages to be an utter failure in everything he involves himself in? You'd think he'd have the sensibilities to stabilize his country while enriching himself. EVEN IF HE TOOK government money and enriched himself, as long as he stabilized the nation.....I wouldn't even oppose him. Most Somalis wouldn't complain at all. The good outweighs the bad. But he can't even do that.

But a loosely organized Union of Federal States, where we have a Libertarian free-market economic system could be a better solution. It could alleviate our suffering in the immediate short-term. As long as there is some semblance of peace, Somali businessmen could operate in Somalia and start businesses, giving employment to the local population and increasing prosperity. Countries like Congo, Zambia, Uganda and others are places where Somali businessmen have entered and invested, even though these countries aren't very stable, and there's no real sense of "nationhood" amongst some of these nations. The Congo just came out of a war where 5 million people died. But Somali businessmen still entered those countries, because it was peaceful, and employed thousands of people and increased prosperity for everyone. If these same businessmen invested in Somalia itself, and if each businessman focuses on his tribal homeland, then that could benefit the country as a whole. If an MJ wants to invest and build up Puntland, then it's up to him. The same goes for a native Khatuumite or a native Hiiraan resident and so on and so on. If Somalis don't like each other, the least we can do is compete with each other to see who can build up the best Federal State. We could channel our dislike towards each other in a healthy manner. If we have a Military, where they can recruit soldiers equally from different regions of the country, then building a common defence wouldn't be too hard. They could impose quotas where the Army has to have 20% Puntlanders, 10% Khatumites, 15% Hiiiraaners and so on and so on. If the UN Arms Embargo is lifted from Somalia and we start purchasing helicopters and tanks, and start paying Somali soldiers a very very high salary, then recruiting soldiers would be fairly easy. A salary of 1000 dollars a month funded directly from the USA or the EU could be achieved very easily. We have a large population of unemployed men already. The issue shouldn't be recruitment at all. Somalis have a deep cultural problem, and resolving this cultural problem could take 50 years. But this could be a band-aid solution until things gradually resolve themselves

Okay I'm gonna say this, you could disagree with me, but I'll say it anyway: I think implementing a loose Union can be achieved even without having to live with the threat of being swallowed up by our enemies. The Somali NFD in Kenya is overwhelmingly a Somali region, despite the fact that it's extremely underpopulated and consists of almost ONE THIRD of Kenya's total territory. The same can be said of the Somali Region of Ethiopia. It's over 95% Somali. Even though these territories are HUGE, they're bigger than some European States! Even though these Somalis are technically living under the authority of an Ethiopian Government. They still manage to fend off foreigners and maintain their ethnic homogeneity. And it's because we're a very xenophobic people. We may not like each other, but we can't stand foreigners either. And the last thing Somalis would want to tolerate would be foreigners being on our land. If Puntlanders and Jubbalanders and Khaatumites and others want to deal with their own territories the way they see fit, then that's fine. They can have whatever legal and economic system they choose. It really is their choice. But if each region contributes a portion of their soldiers to the National Army, then that could do a lot in fostering some sort of national unity. If we have a System where the President of Somalia has to rotate between different regions. So that during 1 Presidential term, the President must come from Puntland. And then Khatumo gets a turn with the President. And then Jubbaland gets a turn. And so on and so on. This could be a totally temporary situation. At least until peace is restored long enough for people to fill a genuine sense of nationhood again. Until there will arise a new generation of Somalis with NO memories of the civil war period, and who have nothing but optimism for the future of the nation. Somalia has a population where 45% of the people are under the age of 15. The average Somali is only 17 years old. We're a very young country. We can easily change as long as peace is maintained in the country. South Korea was a poor country with extremely corrupt Generals masquerading as politicians back in the 1960's. Today, South Korea is extremely prosperous and they have genuine, educated politicians who are running the country's affairs. Men such as Silaanyo, Madoobe, Hiraale, Qoslaaye, Indhacade are all old men who will soon die and be relegated to the dustbin of history. This whole loosely organized Union could work as long as we have a single Unified Military, where soldiers are recruited from every town and village of Somalia. And as long as Somalis maintain their xenophobic attitude towards foreigners, then I don't think we'd have anything to worry about in such a situation.

Yeah exactly Homunculus. In 1800, the United States was a small group of loosely united Federal States organized under a single Constitution. The people of Georgia couldn't stand the ones who lived in New York, and the people of North Carolina couldn't stand the people from Pennsylvania, etc. It's only after a couple generations, when the old people died off, and a new generation of Americans arose, that the concept of Federalism became meaningless in America in that context, and now they all see themselves as "American". Regardless of whether they came from California, or Texas, or Illinois. They're all "Americans". The same could happen for Somalis. It doesn't matter if we have a loosely organized Union. Within a couple generations, we'll totally forget about these borders and start to see each other as one nation again. Since when did Somalis EVER care about borders? We have Somalis sitting in coffee shops in Seattle, the same way they're sitting in coffee shops in Addis Ababa. The Somalis in London have much of the exact same routine as Somalis living in Guangzhou, CHINA. We behave the same regardless of what flag we're living under. And we don't give a damn about borders. That's one thing we've learned about the Civil War. A loosely organized Union under a Federal Constitution would be a much better solution than this Centralist Crap that many in Mogadishu are pushing for. It'll only further divide the country instead of uniting it. If it's one thing we've learned from the 1960-1991 period, it's that Somalis are very independent and autonomous people who hate to take orders from a distant capital city. Let us have a system of government which conforms to our temperament.

Galbeedi, if this is the case, then Somalia could have separate Federal States which can apply their own judicial system, similar to the United Arab Emirates. In UAE, what's legal in Dubai could be illegal in Sharjah. And what's legal in Abu Dhabi could be illegal in Ajman. And so on and so on. It's a very loose union of separate, autonomous Emirates. Some Emirates are more liberal than others. Somalis from a certain region have a completely different mindset compared to Somalis of another region. And reforming the mindset of a people could take a generation or two. Which is why a loose union of Somali federal states (emirates) wouldn't be such a bad idea.

This guy deserves his own reality show LOL.....He's caught smoking crack yet AGAIN? You'd think he would learn after the first time? But no he didn't

Osman exactly. This could be a very real possibility, where the Somali Republic is broken up into several satellite states, each of them being controlled by a foreign power. And that's very scary indeed. That's why in the unfortunate event that Xamaar never gets it's act together, I would hope that Puntland and Galmudug form a Union, and then perhaps they can go to Somaliland and form a very loose Union with the Government of Somaliland, and then base their capital in Hargeisa. Similar to the government structure of the U.A.E A very loose, decentralized Union based in the North. What sounds unrealistic today could be a full-blown reality in the future. I'm not saying it would happen, I doubt it. But I'm saying it's a worthy alternative. I'm not sure whether the people of Somaliland would want some sort of a loose Union with Reer Puntland and Galmudug. But it could be tried. It's not impossible. Somaliland/Puntland/Galmudug already form about 70% of Somalia. The land size would be greater than that of Kenya, Germany, Italy, Japan and many other countries. At least this new Republic would have the ability to stand on it's own two feet. At least they won't be some satellite state. It would be a far better alternative than having Somalia split up into several satellite states while being controlled by foreign powers. That would be a nightmare scenario and what I just proposed would be a far better alternative to that. We have to deal with reality.

Well if Xamar can't get it's act together, then Somalia's capital must either be moved, or there would be a massive decentralization trend in Somalia where the country could then split into several small states, each State being influenced by a foreign power and the gradual disintegration of the Somali Republic. Let's pray that never happens

Xaaji do you think if such humiliations occur over and over, within such a short time frame, that it'll finally "click" in the minds of Somalis, that disunity amongst Somalis is the sole reason behind our downfall and humiliation as a people? Hopefully we take a lesson from this

Why isn't this President setting up the Federal Institutions which the future governments of Somalia could rely on? Things like setting up a Federal Regulatory Agency. Things like minting a new currency and officially setting up an exchange rate. This Somali Shilling has GOT to go! Things like paying your soldiers a higher salary and paying them electronically! Things like asking any European or North American nation for any decommissioned warships they could donate to the Somali Navy! Things like, investing in other cities OTHER than Mogadishu! The Arabs will only give you a few million here and there, but then after that you're back to Square One.