This is all very funny.... this phony outrage over Halal meat being served in the UK What's the big deal with Halal? I eat Kosher meat all the time and it doesn't bother me at all loool.

<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> The irony is that somaliland has its own currency an is seperate from Somalia so if your arguing that mugdisho should compete with jowhar etc sure but don't this competition is the same as Djibouti competing with Ethiopia etc. Somalilands development doesn't have anything to do with the logo standards of Somalia. Warya why do you always feel the need to argue. The fact is, there's not a single prosperous Somali region, regardless of what flag they choose to fly. Since when did I restrict this competition to borders? Jigjiga and Djibouti can join in on this as well, along with Garissa, Mogadishu, Bosaso and Hargeisa. They are all Somali cities. Competition is good for all Somalis. It'll inadvertently raise our living standards. Before you know it, Somalis will be debating which region has the best cities, the largest economies and the safest streets.

<cite> @Dr_Osman said:</cite> Anther copy on the garowe pharmaceutical factory. Get your own ideas so pathetic. U won't catch up to Puntland manufacturing, we got 200 factories in Bosaso alone producing all sort of different industries, water, sodas, mattresses, boats, furnitures, engines, gas, oxygen, medicines, fishery, meat, cement, leather, textiles, and so many more i've lost count. LOL That was a little too far saaxib. Any progress is good progress, and all Somalis are richer as a result. But if this is how you feel, then let Somalis compete. Which region has the best healthcare, the best manufacturing base, the best roads or skyscrapers. Competition is good, it'll raise Somali living standards and benefit all of us. When Somalis compete as to which region is more prosperous, they're indirectly pushing the entire country forward.

<cite> @SomaliaRising said:</cite> Dactoore, so you are saying the current Federal system should bring back the lost trust between somalis, and that(trust) eventually leads to Islamic Centralism? If in a couple generations, if trust is rebuilt amongst Somalis. If the Somalis have a genuine desire to give more power to the Federal Government, then that's all good. Somalia could be re-centralized, but through an equal power-sharing system where the Somalis are free of hatred, qabiilism and other diseases. But that's something our grandchildren should debate about. Not us. We'd either be dead or at least 70-80 years old when such things can be carried out. Nation-building takes a long time. Everything is step by step

Trust takes years, even decades, to rebuild. But trust can be destroyed in 1 day. That's the reality of life. Somalia needs a major cultural revolution, one free from Qabiilism and other diseases. But that could take DECADES to implement. In the meantime, Federalism could at least help us move forward in the next few decades. I see no benefit to putting all our eggs in one basket

<cite> @Tillamook said:</cite> SomaliaRising, so far your best argument to support a Centralist form of government in Somalia is that God wants it and that it is Islamic. Now as a Muslim, I can't go against what God wants, so tell me how best do we implement Centralism in Somalia? In this day and age, how possible will it be with all the mistrust Somalis have for one another? And how do we best convince the people from Puntland, Somaliland, Jubaland and the South-West states to abandon everything they've built for themselves all these years and have them all take orders from Xamar? What sort of a miraculous spell can we Centralists cast upon these federalists so that they listen to us? Bro, even when the Caliphate grew, the Caliph himself had only certain obligations, but the regional Governors were the ones who had the real power over their constituents. There was Federalism even then. Yes, the Muslims had one Army and certain universal laws, but there was no possible way that the Caliph could manage the day-to-day occurrences throughout the entire nation. It was a decentralized mode of governance. So I don't see how Somalia being a decentralized State could be any different.

SomaliaRising, you're acting as if Somalia's small population is something permanent. We have a large landmass with abundant resources. Somalia has a very high birth rate and our population can very quickly reach 50 million in under 2 generations Ethiopia had about 50 million people in 1990 and now they have almost 90 million. That's just in 1 generation. Things can change and can change very fast. Somali women are already known for having a very very high fertility rate and most of our population is under 16 years old. We could reach 50 million very quickly, as long as we have adequate healthcare and the violence stops. Federalism is better because there is no possible way that a Central Government can know about the needs of millions of people scattered across the country. A regional government would best be able to serve the people.

Federalism is the obvious solution. I'd say either Federalism or nothing Centralism would never work for Somalis. The 1960-1991 experiment already proved that. And why would Somalis ever put all their eggs in one basket? At least with Federalism, if one region of Somalia fails, then the rest of the regions still remain viable and peaceful. With Centralism, if Xamar falls, then so does the rest of the country And the only ones who promote Centralism are Neo-Siyaadists or corrupt men in Xamar who seek to dominate other regions of Somalia by using the Central government. We've yet to hear a single convincing argument in favor of centralism. Not a single one.

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> Somaliland needs to focus on its own country before it can speak of larger engagement and economic partnership and maybe eventually political integration. There is nothing Somalia has that Somaliland wants or to have the Union do you know Sheikh zayid wanted Bahrain to be part of the UAE to But the Bahranis refused. The Puntland claim of SL territories remains only Afka i dont see how that can be a problem. Somalilanders need to breath on their own before they can partner up with others. its not that simple Somaliland is fighting for its lost independence in 1960 , Somaliland became a region of Somalia in 1960 to correct that mistake Somaliland need to be fully independent with full recognition by all the world nations. Somaliland is not the same as Puntland or Hiiraan. Somaliland is equal to Djibouti Somalia Kilil Somalida and Kenyas north eastern The 5 Somali, speaking territories the Blue flag Symbolizes Somaliland it does not symbolize Puntland galmudug. So for Somalia and Somaliland to ever have a close relationship allot needs to happen first the wishes of the people of SL need to be respected. And we can move from there. If Somaliland/Somalia talks go through, and if there is some temporary power-sharing deal for 5-10 years, and then after 5 years if a Referendum is taken in every region of "Somaliland" (including Sool and Sanaag), and if a majority of the Somaliland public wants independence, then that's something I could fully support and stand by and be happy about. Let the local people in the regions decide their own fate. The last thing we'd want is diaspora people attempting to impose their political will on the people of Somalia.

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> doctor i dont mind how Somalia governs its self its up to them , but aslong as they accept to live side by side in peace with its Neighbors Somaliland and Kenya. Than the region can live in peace i believe we should work towards and if Somalia wants the UAE model than that should be considered , the Somaliland motto was always waxad isla jeceshihin SL waa idin la jeceshahay. Somaliland and Somalia brotherhood can only be re established with the full independence of Somaliland that is the only way the trust can ever return the earlier Koonfurians accept SL the better for them the faster we can re integrate based on equality and justice and shared commonalities and common interest in the region. You're advocating separation for Somaliland so that MAYBE in 50 years they can reintegrate in the future? Why not just skip all that and have a United Arab Emirates model of governance? That way Puntland would cease making claims on SSC territory. Reer Khaatumo would stop calling for autonomy, and the Somalilanders can have their own military, governance system and judiciary. We'd be united but autonomous. Somaliland could very easily become the most powerful Emirate of Somalia. The one with the most influence, and the capital could be moved to Borama or Hargeisa It's a total win-win situation. And a single foreign policy for the Somalis would be better for us in the long run. Having several small Somali states is not as effective as having a single unified Somali State with a strong voice.

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> Saaxib did you do a survey Somalilanders dont hate any one , they have moved on but if you trash their country they will put you in your place simple as that. There are many hateful comment i have read on youtube channels just the reaction of 18 may parties outrages many this is a fact just read hiiraan online when they post something of SL. You depict people of SL as hateful who hate koonfurians for them being Koonfurians stop being so unreasonable saaxib, your friend Puntand rising loves the pages i hate Somaliland is he also a minority ? I am just saying the feeling is mutual but it could be that some koonfurians hide their feelings but deep down they detest SL and would love to wage war against SL. Just wadna diiday and they have no means they are broken and colonized. Somalilanders are very open about their ideology they dont hide their feelings they have no uur ku qaad. In Mogadishu neighbors were butchering each other in 1991 because they kept those feelings in themselves for to long and after that it exploded. Ma fahantay Somalilanders have no taboos they speak of everything. Koonfurians pretend to feel comfortable talking about qabiil, but in reality they are oke with it. SAAXIB oday weyn baan ahay wax badan baan u so u so joogay. There's a reason why I strongly believe in Federalism saaxib. There should be several Somali States, who cooperate on issues based on security, national sovereignty, etc. But they should be left alone to govern their own affairs. Just like the United Arab Emirates. With time, within a couple generations, this cuqduud and hatred which exists amongst Somalis will disappear. This will definitely happen if we stay at peace for a long enough time and become prosperous. But I don't think Somalilander attitudes towards Koonfurians is helping at all. But to be fair, I think most Somalis would agree that the anti-Somaliland comments on different websites are disgusting and should be condemned. You would NEVER find me mocking or insulting a Waqooyi man if he's celebrating May 18th. And this other guy on this thread labeling me a Siyaadist is disgusting. Siyaad's government was a Union, but it wasn't a healthy Union. It was a poisonous Union and it got us to the state we're in today. If Somalia implemented a Healthy Genuine Federalist Union back in 1960, there would have never been a Civil War. But we learn from the past. And we don't repeat the same mistakes in the future. But I noticed many many Somalilanders deriding and insulting Koonfurians. And I hope they're a minority. The same way I hope people who hate somalilanders are a small minority.

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> So u want unity with Somalilanders while u still hate them lol, taasa la leeyahay ha i raacdo its actually sad this hatred will shape the next generation even further ,very sad when we could have created a long peace and stability and an honest union sad that will never happen. ,Somalilanders and Koonfurians will be bitter towards each other not trust each other always look behind their backs , because hatred takes different shapes every generation adds something to the existing hostilities. But look at the bright side there is healthy coexistence between DJIBOUTIANS AND Somalilanders atleast some somali speaking communities can get along . Djibouti, Kenya and Ethiopia are adamantly against the independence of Somaliland. I don't know what you're talking about

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> Nothing wrong with the picture it just shows the fact and the difference between Somaliland and Somalia Here is a facebook page called I hate Somaliland https://www.facebook.com/IHateSomaliland?ref=stream The hatred between Somalilanders and Koonfurians goes both ways just accept it The number of Koonfurians who think like this is TINY compared to the thousands, hundreds of thousands of Somalilanders who think like this. The overwhelming majority of the Koonfurians I know who are against the independence of Somaliland, don't HATE Somalilanders. They just prefer unity. But yes there are a few extremists who genuinely hate Reer Waqooyi. There are extremists everywhere. You're comparing apples to oranges saaxib

<cite> @SomaliaRising said:</cite> brother give me one good page where they insult other somalis. i want to see how far mirqaanism took them. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152339187209106&set=a.376008154105.158287.328046899105&type=1&theater Look at this picture, the comments, and look at the General Page. There's a lot of hateful comments aimed right at Koonfurians. Even if it's a picture of some pretty Somalilander girl holding up the flag, they somehow manage to bring up Koonfurians.

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> But the garaad clan shares this superiority complex have u not listened to the poem i posted do you even understand afka Somaliga how old are you horta. D Somalilanders want nothing from Koonfurians absolutely zero other than living next side by side, thats all, ofcourse people are fundamentally different ma dad isku mid ah baad aragtay adigu. Ofcourse Koonfurians are Foreingers they do not belong to the Somaliland republic , are you telling me they are Somalilanders because they speak Afka Somaliga ? Your posting a video on this forum means nothing. Actually do a poll and ask everyone in Sool/Sanaag their opinions about such matters. But fine Xaaji. Create a propaganda campaign in Hargeisa discouraging Somalilander girls or guys from marrying Koonfurians. Because for some reason I see it all the time in North America. These marriages are quite common. This is an epidemic which must be stopped, if we want to preserve the Royal Bloodline of the SNM people. No more inter-marriage!!

Go on the Somaliland page on Facebook. Go on the SomalilandSun or other pro-Somaliland websites. Then read the comments... Wallahi you'll find countless pages of Reer-Waqooyi people trashing Somalia and the Koonfurians, laughing at whatever misfortune Somalia is undergoing, and constantly reassuring each other that Somalilanders are better than the Koonfurians. Wallahi it's actually sickening.

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> Doctor where do you get that from that Somalilanders change subjects to their issues Somalilanders are peace loving people, who just are determined about their country and to help it up, they mean no one harm not the koonfurians not the Ethiopians not the Kenyans not the Djiboutians not the Eritreans not the Yemeni. They are just trying to make the best out of their country and if they are proud of their country its only good. If Somalilanders wanted to separate based on other interests, then I totally understand such a thing. But now we have Landers who believe they're of a higher racial stock than Koonfurians, who believe that Koonfurians are "foreigners" who should be mistrusted, who believe that they are fundamentally different from Koonfurians based on some slight cultural differences. That's what irks me. That's what irks SomaliaRising. You call Puntland "the pirate next door". Do you really think about what you're saying. Honestly, it's good that we want the best for each other. But sharing a nation with people who have this superiority complex, who believe they share nothing with Koonfurians, is not a good idea. InshaAllah your superiority complex goes away with time, and that you learn that having such beliefs is unhealthy and destructive. May the delusions of Maamulka SNM dissipate with time! Ameen

<cite> @SomaliaRising said:</cite> Datoore, i want maamulka snm gone. But they must leave alone Awdal and Khatumo. If they dont, we wont leave them alone. Maamulka SNM are full of sickos who loves xabashis and british kuffar. They love xabashis and says they are related to them. Wallahi i want them gone tonight. The question is: are they prepared to give up their false claim on awdal state, makhir state and khatumo state. Let maamulka snm somalidiidland be the Lesotho of Somalia. They are sieged from west and east. Wallahi I'd let them separate. I want nothing to do with them.

<cite> @SomaliaRising said:</cite> Datoore, is it smart thing for southern americans to secede because they speak in different accent and have different culture compared to other americans? If the theology of Xaaji Somalidiid is implemented everywhere , only in China more than 100 countries would rise up! Exactly!! Even in Italy, you have differences between the Northern and Southern Italians. They speak in a different accent and they even LOOK different. Yet they share a nation. But the Reer Waqooyi really have a strong strong fetish for separation. It's what they dream about at night. It's what they discuss when they're talking to their White Classmate in America/Europe. If you were to ask an SNM guy his opinion about the future human exploration of Outer Space, he'd somehow change the topic of that conversation to how Somaliland should be independent. If you were to ask him who's gonna win the NBA Championship this year, he'd change the topic to Somaliland It's disturbing really

I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate for saying this, and I've said it before: But if this type of thinking exists amongst the younger generation of Somalilanders. If this thinking is dominant amongst the 20-30 year olds in Hargeisa........then I'd rather have no Unity at all. You can't share a country with people who have that mentality. If this type of thinking is dominant amongst the young Somalilanders, then: 1. Even if Somalia was prosperous like South Korea or Hong Kong, they'd STILL rather separate and become their own State. They clearly have a fetish for being separated. 2. Even if Maamulka SNM was the size of Eastleigh, they'd STILL want independence. It's an attitude which is so prevalent that any agreement or accommodation would be a waste of time.

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> Doctor Lineages ancestries culture and belonging to a certain ethnic is not most of the time about physical appearances the vast majority of the Horners look a like,,i am not talking about looks. But their behavior history culture traditions is different. Kinship is about lineages its about nationality its about culture traditions and sharing a bloodline. Doctor if you are in Hargeysa you can pass for a person from hargeysa and u can even adopt a hargeysa clan identity or burco identity no one who would question it that is if you are truly from Laascanood. A person from Ceelbuur can never adopt the Hargeysa identity or assimilate in the hargeysa culture its all about behavior traditions culture accent and lineages. Well I can accept that the behavior of the Waqooyi people is different than the Koonfurians. But so is the behavior between the Puntlanders and the South. And I don't see Puntlanders all claiming that they want to be independent based on a "different dialect, culture and behavior". It sounds silly. And slight differences between Waqooyi and Koonfurians are very malleable and changeable and they can be accommodated with time. If you want to separate, fine. But don't attempt to make it look like we're a different race. I know MANY Somalis in America who are very very American, from top to bottom. From their behavior to their mannerisms to their speech to even their hobbies and the sports they watch. And I'm one of them. But if we spend 1 year in either Xamar or Hargeisa I'm quite sure we can assimilate pretty quickly. Already happened once when I was in beledweyne. We are the same, there's very slight differences but our similarities are overwhelming. Kenyans have 40 different ethnic groups who share 1 country. Same with Nigeria and Congo and all these other countries.

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> Doctor why do you think culusow values internet , just because u have seen him use facebook doesnt mean he is addicted to internet and needs it. He needs the throne or else Somalis will remember him like the President is mooday eeh gaaladu eryeedeen o meesha ka saareen and that is shameful i believe culusow will fight to remain in power. the same way siyad bare tried to come to xamar when he was deposed in 1991. The difference is that Siyaad ACTUALLY controlled the entire country of Somalia for 21 years. Culusow is a weak leader who's protected by Burundi and Uganda. You can't compare the two. Culusow can't even muster enough energy and resources to govern his own country. Even though he has International support and money, he still isn't even competent enough to do that. What makes you think he'll be able to govern Somalia if he's allying with Godane, when he has MUCH less resources and is constantly on the run? Why are you even making such a silly argument?

This isn't even about preserving physical differences LOOL I seen a Reer Ceelbuur girl standing next to a Hargeisa girl, and they practically look like twins lmao. They look exactly the same. A superiority complex is unhealthy to have. We're not on Stormfront, we're on SomaliaOnline

So Xaaji, you're okay with Somalia and Somaliland being separate independent states, and being political allies and form economic ties and military alliances.......but you don't want a Koonfurian man marrying a Reer Waqooyi girl? Or a Reer Laascaanod girl? You don't want the Koonfurian man polluting your sacred Somalilander girls, am I right?

I never met Culusow, but I'm gonna ASSUME that Culusow is not the type of man who wants to be on the FBI's Top Ten Most Wanted list. And I'm gonna assume that Culusow doesn't want to be constantly on the run, with no internet connection, and constantly having to watch out for spies and drones. I'm just saying Xaaji.