Galbeedi, that's true. Many Somalis who've been in Canada/America for over 20 years have yet to adopt some of the most basic American social norms, it's really strange. You even notice it when it comes to events such as Somalis organizing barbeques or other social events. They schedule the event for 2 pm, but they don't arrive until after 3 pm and it doesn't kick off until at least 5 or 6 pm. We even have a joke, there's the "regular timing" and the "Somali timing" But alhamdulilah, there is a LOT of good amongst the younger Somali generation today. Whether they're in North America or they're back home in Somalia. They're better than their parents, many of them are hardworking and are upright individuals as well. So we are progressing, in spite of all the negative attention we get in the press

<cite> @Tillamook said:</cite> I agree with the poster who used "visit" SOL ten years ago: Señor Galbeedi in this particular case is chatting bollocks! ...but then again, he is one of my favorite habro who posts on SOL-- unlike those other seccessionist vagabonds like Xaaji Maalaayacni & Co.--so I will tolerate his ramarks . LOL Bro how do you not like Xaaji You might disagree with the guy but you can't not like Xaaji Xunjuf

Yes Mustafe Me and Tillamook are the same person loool, how did you figure that one out

LOL Anyone who can't see the incredible value in Galbeedi's posts is not seeing straight. We all thoroughly enjoy reading galbeedi's posts on this forum, except you for some odd reason. Even the ones who disagree with him, can see the value here If you don't like what he says, then post a rebuttal! Respond to his posts!

Khayr, it means to acquire more knowledge about Islam. To study the Quran, to understand the Hadiths and the Sira and the branches of Islamic knowledge.

A Somali Muslim who moves to South Korea and becomes a citizen and then obtains the Korean passport, will never ever be a Korean, no matter what. They couldn't care at all about his passport. He's not Korean. He never will be. The same goes for Britain

So you think Somalia will never rise because: 1. Severe lack of patriotism 2. Lack of honesty 3. Lack of a common bond holding them together All of these are reversible in the long-term. All of these can be done away with since Somalia is a very young country with half of our population being under 15 years old. And in the long term, things can change and can change drastically. I'll make a thread about this in the near future

And if the Koonfurians get their act together, it'll very quickly become a prosperous State. One far more prosperous than any other State in East Africa, including your beloved Somaliland. So remember that CidanSultan. Times change, situations change. Somalia was a very powerful country in 1976 but they were reduced to nothing by 1991. And the same can happen when you compare 2014 to 2030.

And believe me Cidan, if the Koonfurians get their act together (and inshaAllah they will), there is NO indications that the Somalilanders will be superior to the Koonfurians in any way whatsoever. So come down to Earth and stop having these delusions of grandeur. Somalia could very quickly become a functioning, prosperous State with a high standard of living for it's population. If you want to compete, let's compete. But don't think that Somaliland's ability to stabilize their land translates to them being superior as a people loool I live in the diaspora. I have Koonfurian and Waqooyi friends. They're really not different at all.

Cidan, Somalia not having a Government doesn't mean it's free from political factions who have their own opinions! Are you seriously kidding me Cidan? Did you just make such a ridiculous argument? BTW, you can talk about the diplomatic isolation and livestock ban all you want. But I didn't support it, none of the Koonfurians on this website supported it, and neither do the vast majority of Koonfurians in real life. So then what do you have to say about that? Why do you make it look like the policies of Abdiqasim benefited the Koonfurians when in fact Abdiqasim harmed Somalilanders AND Koonfurians. BOTH of them. It isn't just about you. Somalis in the South aren't exactly treated very well by the self-declared President occupying Villa Somalia. I support the self-determination of the Reer Waqooyi people and I hope in the future that our countries can be allies and brother states. Just like the relationship between Canada and the USA. Or the USA and Great Britain (despite the fact the Brits and Americans had a major war during George Washington's era)

And BTW What's with CidanSultan's superiority-complex based ONLY on Somaliland's position in the Horn of Africa and it being a relatively safe place to visit and live? Is he high? Does he really believe that Somalilanders are inherently superior to others and have more of an ability to build a regional superpower as opposed to the Koonfurians? To have aspirations for separation is one thing. But this supremacist "stormfront" mentality is not gonna get him anywhere. All this boasting and bragging and mocking, it reminds me of a certain individual who.....never mind

There's definitely a trend in Europe now, where society is becoming more nationalistic and right-wing. They oppose immigration and some Politicians are even proposing to deport all "foreigners" from their countries, even the ones who hold a citizenship! There's a movement where they want France to remain purely French, Spain to remain purely Spanish, England purely English, etc. And then expel all Africans and Asians from their countries. It's a rather small movement, but it's grown immensely in the past decade. And I can only see it getting worse with time.

You're treating Somalia as if it's a single monolith. There are factions within Somalia that support outright secession for Somaliland. Some support a loose decentralized Union with Somaliland, which has it's own unique structure of government and is autonomous. Some support Federalism, like the way Puntland is a Federal State. Something being in our desires is one thing. And there are many Koonfurians who don't want to see Somalia become divided. But they're doing this for Nationalist reasons, not out of hatred. And it's not like they desire to keep Somaliland within the Union out of animosity or to suppress the Northerners. Learn to distinguish these things

Xaaji, that's being dishonest. You know very well that legitimacy can only come from the people, and even though the West might give tacit support to the Regime in Mogadishu, it doesn't mean they're the REAL government of Somalia. The same way how American support of Jonas Savimbi of Angola (even declaring him as the real President of Angola) didn't translate into reality. He was still a militia leader who controlled only a small portion of the country. And the civil war continued for 30 years in Angola. But he was never President. And the Americans supporting Savimbi meant nothing at the end of the day And Somalia doesn't have a President, not a real one, so there'll be no real, legitimate negotiations with Somaliland until then. Qoslaaye can't even get the Puntlanders and Jubbalanders to cooperate with him, and he can't even secure his own country. So what's with your dishonest critique here? Do you REALLY think that Aideed was gonna sit down with Ibrahim Egal in 1995 and work out some independence deal? Who does Aideed speak for, other than his own sub-clan? The same goes for all the other countless politicians and warlords we've seen in the last 23 years. There is no government in Mogadishu, the last President we had was Siyaad. So stop with the anger about "non-recognition" and look at reality

You're not very thoughtful are you? You just said that Somalia/Somaliland could have been brotherly states, but the lack of recognition on Somalia's part in the last 23 years is betrayal and they should never remain friends. Let me say something to you, which is word-for-word exactly what I said to Xaaji Xunjuf: There is no Government in Somalia. A government, by definition, has to have a monopoly of force in the region, and has to have full control over it's own borders. That doesn't exist in Somalia. So any "negotiations" between Somaliland and Somalia regarding a peaceful separation, back in 1991, would be nearly impossible to carry out. Sure we had self-declared warlords and pseudo-politicians who were the "Presidents" of the country (Aideed, Ali Mahdi, Abdiqasim, Sheikh Shariif, etc.), but they failed to control more than a few city blocks without the help of Foreign soldiers. So they were never REALLY President. Our last real Government was the Dictatorship of Siyaad. So under these circumstances, and dealing with the fact that we never HAD a real government in Somalia for 23 years, how would it be possible for Somalia to sit down with Somaliland and engineer a peaceful separation? I know that Somaliland would be represented by Ibrahim Egal. But who would be representing Somalia? Muse Sudi? Aideed? Qanyare? Dahir Aweys? Would it even be taken seriously by the International Community, since the whole South of Somalia was in chaos? Do you think before you speak?

CidanSultan, don't you dare refer to Siyaad Barre as my Uncle. You actually expect people to believe that hundreds of thousands died? What was it? 300 000 dead? 400 000? Are we talking about Somaliland here or are we discussing Hiroshima/Nagasaki. What makes you believe that ANYONE is gonna accept your far-fetched claims? You're full of raw emotion and anger. And then you go along and imply that anyone who's not from your clan is complicit in Siyad Barre's undeniable crimes in the North. Somalia is a very lightly populated country. To believe that hundreds of thousands died due to the events of 1988 is insulting all of our intelligence. I'd be surprised if that many men even lived in Waqooyi province at that time. But go ahead loool. Sit and believe in your delusions. Keep fooling yourself that you're greater than you are. But Somaliland and Somalia should be enemy states with each other? You really think that's an appropriate goal to work towards? LOOL You're detached from reality loooll :D Hahahaha Go ahead. Separate. Take your territories with you and form your own separate republic, and try to convince others in your marqaan-fueled delusions that you're better than the rest of the Horn Africans. While the rest of us sit and laugh.

CidanSultan, first it was 50 000 deaths, now it's hundreds of thousands of deaths? Seriously, make up your mind. Which one is it? And who are the ones who picked up arms against you that now cry unity? You're being irrational. That regime no longer exists, so that is that

Holac, almost definitely, Culusow is gonna attempt to take credit for Mogadishu's progress come election season in 2016. The man has no integrity.

We should take a lesson from this: (Quran 5:8) "O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah , witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do."

Holac, NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL. He has not a single good feature to his presidency This man isn't fit to run a McDonalds counter, let alone run Somalia. It's good that the Somali community is waking up, and demanding better from their leaders. I hope the Somali community takes a lesson from this story, and takes their clan elders to task for their silly behavior. There is no reason why "your boy" should be released from jail simply because of tribal relations. A crime is a crime, and even if my own Brother was a member of Al Shabab, then I would NEVER support his release from prison. I hate this culture of favoritism and nepotism which exists in the South. We need a strong leader who can reverse this

He pardoned a terrorist because he was "ill"? Why wasn't he executed? Is Qoslaaye really that weak, that he can't just execute a Government official who was found to be tied to Al Shabaab? I have never seen someone like Qoslaaye, this guy is something else, with not a single redeeming feature to his presidency

<cite> @galbeedi said:</cite> Sometimes you realize life under the colonials was much better the corrupt feudal dictators masquerading as presidents. There is something seriously wrong with most of Black Africa. You even have countries like Rhodesia, which was prosperous and clean, which was then overtaken by Black Militia fighters, who then rename the country "Zimbabwe" and then proceed to run Zimbabwe into the ground. They destroyed the economy, there are refugees running into other countries, and the country is an all-around disaster. Yet they inherited a peaceful prosperous Rhodesia. And they couldn't even maintain that. They ran it into the ground. That's what's happening to South Africa RIGHT NOW. South Africa was formerly a VERY prosperous country, but for the last 20 years it's progressively getting worse. The crime rate's through the roof and it's not a very good place to invest anymore. Like you can't make this stuff up. It's shocking when you think about it

<cite> @Xaaji Xunjuf said:</cite> Daalo airlines and its owned by a Somalilander , star african air another airliner is also owned by a Somalilander.. Djibouti as a small country is comming short really to have its own aircraft Xaaji, well then whoever owned that Airline, and whoever sits on the Board of Directors or is in any decision-making capacity.....should really sit down and think about WHY he couldn't even expand his airline across Africa. There really is no excuse here Xaaji. This was just a wasted opportunity

Galbeedi, that's one thing I never understood! Daalo Airlines is a mediocre airline running out of Djibouti, which uses 1960's Soviet-Era low quality airplanes and it hires suspicious and shady Russian pilots to fly their aircraft. I think almost every member on this forum has used that airline at one time or another. It's like something out of a comic book. Djibouti is in a very strategic location. It's a peaceful country with French and American military bases located within the country. Are you telling me they couldn't buy a couple of Boeing 757's from the USA, paint those airplanes with the Djibouti flag, and then start flights from Djibouti to Europe, or Djibouti to Asia? You know how many Somalis would have started to use Djibouti Airlines to travel to Somalia and Somaliland? And how many people would have used Djibouti Airlines to travel for Hajj to Mecca? They could have made billions! And why the need to hire retired Russian pilots? They couldn't even hire a few Somali pilots to start flying their aircraft!! I know several Somali pilots who fly for Emirates Airlines and a few European-based airlines. Yet they couldn't even have the competence and intelligence to find a Somali pilot and start using high-quality Boeing airplanes. It's embarrassing. Djibouti could have been a major flight hub, and the economy could have billions as a result. The amount of good opportunities the Djiboutians come across, and they completely WASTE it due to their own incompetence

<cite> @galbeedi said:</cite> Xaaji, walaahi there is a big market for an airline industry in the region. Djibouti could not do it for the last 25 years. I say a good move. It shocks me at how utterly incompetent Djibouti is, when they couldn't even get together and create a viable Airline Industry. They had 25 years to do it. They could have made billions in revenue, but instead they passed off that golden opportunity and they have to now compete with the resurgent Ethiopian Airlines and now Somaliland's Airline. I bet they're banging their hands against the wall now. Ridiculous