Odey;922491 wrote: Lifting or Not Lifting, that is the Question!. Seriously though we have addressed all the qabil issues, the Warlord issues and the trust issues. I on the other hand have a separate issue to raise. I know this army, I have seen them slowly being built and the "Government's forces" consist of clan militias that have been simply given uniforms in the beginning, but a new crop of soldiers are merging that are trained. Therein lies my problem. If we want an army, we have to build one. We cannot simply start with this rubbish idea of collecting a bunch of clan militia and calling them an army. Those clan militias should be turned into the equivalent of the "National Guard" with the jurisdiction to guard that state and that state alone against whatever that comes that is beyond the police. The state Governor should have the authority over them. When considering the Army the argument should first be" What is their jurisdiction, how do they work, when can they bear arms". after answering these questions and defining their roles and jurisdictions clearly then we can start recruiting for these positions and recruit well. We must have the criteria prepared first for recruitment. We then train them, we teach them the responsibility of a soldier to his/ her Country. We introduce Citizenship to them and ensure they are loyal to the "Nation" and "constitution" not the Leader. If we address these underlying issues we build an army that has a strong moral compass and we will not have a repeat of the last 50 years of the Somali National Army where they can be ordered to flatten an entire city or province and they wouldn't question it. The lifting of the Arms embargo is not crucial, these issues above are more important. We must clean up our own act before we jump the gun or we can be Somalis and do what we do best, act first, regret later. Very well put. I don't trust current leadership to run anything meaningful as I have seen so far and its open to abuse as Qoslaye and damiin-jadiid demonstrated the short time they have been in power.

Soo=meat ( gabayadii hore) I asked and it clicked. our names explain what we do for living as you can see other examples. all the tribal names is recent invitation i believe.

Raamsade;920547 wrote: The only people in Somalia who practice or rely only on farming as a way of making a living are Bantu Somalis. They're found along the Shabeele and Jubba Rivers leading a sedentary life. All ethnic Somalis irrespective of clan are either outright pastoralists or agropastoralist (part-time nomads). So, you're woefully misinformed Somali Philosopher. It is accurate to say Somalis are nomadic people. And no one knows with any certainty the etymology of Somali. Some say it comes from two words: soo and maal which loosely translates as "go milk." Others say it comes from Samaale, the mythical progenitor of Somali people. Since I don't subscribe to Sab and Samaale fairytale, I'd stick to Soo Maal hypothesis until I find a better alternative. Like you i don't subscribe to these Sab and Samaale story, sounds to me other Somali Arab myth. Old somali Soo=Meat Soo-Maal = pastoralist Biyo-Maal = Fisheries Tu-maal - Farsamayaqaan (blacksmiths) Most Somalis are pastoralist.

Jamal Hassan;922124 wrote: @SomaliInterior: "My #Kismayo trip was very good and meetings were very fruitful, thanks to Kenyan and Somali Army. #Somalia. #Kismaayo is a beautiful and historic town, 3rd capital of the our nation. It can not ruled by clan militia or non governmental group. #Kismaayo: All parts must be aware of that no clan or an armed group can have the decision of creating admin to a great town like Kismayo. " absurd! clan and armed groups = Somalis:cool: unless he wants aliens to do it?

Odey;921599 wrote: If It is a crime for an MP from a certain region of the country to be in xamar then what you are also saying is that the people of that region cannot be represented in Xamar, and therefore it stands to reason that since they cannot be represented in Xamar, then The Government cannot lay claim to that region or it's people. That is absolutely ludicrous!!! thanks oday as they say: “Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.” - Charles Darwins

Not smart move by the puppet PM and his master Qoslaye. I just don't get it why spend so much energy and oppose when you have your own supporters run the place? at the end of the day the locals will inherit running the place when peace returns to the country sax?. what short sighted midget is Qoslaye.

Jacpher;920249 wrote: ^. I am not convinced SL admin giving these guys a safe heaven. That's not to say there aren't any SL elements harboring these guys. That's an open discussion . As the old Somali custom dictates, hand them over. Let them face justice. That is my take now,

*Ibtisam;919949 wrote: Faysal son is not a terrorist, he was running away with his southern young wife because his father and her father wants them divorce. They were let out of prison yesterday evening and on root back to Finland soon. Fasial just wanted to arrest him to show who is the father. Lol this thread- waxaan maraney Al Shababa is part of the Somaliland Military, waging a war for recognition and killing scholars on behave of Somaliland and its public. And since when was Godan and Silaanyo the same clan or neighbors in Burco? They should only hand over to an accountable authority otherwise no, and wa suspects. 1- the question everyone must ask is why suspected killers run towards Somaliland instead of South Somalia where allharam have bases? 2- the sheikh killer now in custody according to the news was trained and sent from Somaliland regions? Too many red flags.

Odey;919866 wrote: Mr, I can tell you they have not captured anyone of significance in this AS network based in Somaliland. The very first one is Actually Siilanyo( I hope i got his name right), because he harbors these wanted blood thirsty fugitives, offers them a base of operations, training and even funding. Just to remind people here, when these animals left the south a huge chunk of them who were mainly from Somaliland( they made up most of the senior positions), tried to go through Kilika Shanaad in Ethiopia and the authorities there found out. A major battle took place around the towns where folks from their clans live in that province and to the surprise of many, supplies, and even re-enforcements left somaliland to join the battle. This was said publicly by the ethiopian representative in Hargeisa.They then had a major spat with the Ethiopian Government ever since. The point being, the whole Somaliland is Led by AS. Faisal Waraabe's son is now in the hands of the Americans after he joined AS. His house was being searched the past few hours in Finland, computers and phones confiscated according to many reports I am getting from there. . I met a number of NGO's that used to be based in Hargeisa who are now moving to Xamar to run away from the expected big bangs in Hargeisa. Are you guys blind?. By the way when I am addressing this issues, I am pointing the finger at the leadership and the attitude of "cover up" that is practiced there not the general population who I must say are as much a victim in this as their brethren in the South and who no doubt will be the ones that suffer as a result. This is very much real and you can either confront your leaders or not. The choice is yours, but don't try and insult our intelligence by claiming otherwise..........Everyone knows Somaliland now equates Shabaab Central station. Waw this is pretty bad picture for Somaliland region and all Somalia.

Mintid Farayar;919710 wrote: If you truly believe Somaliland with its hybrid traditional/democratic system can be at peace with Al Shabaab&its philosophy, you've truly come late and ill-informed to the game. An indigenous investment in the security sector with the 'real' support of the local population is what's required in both Puntland and the South, something Somaliland has spent 2 decades building from the ground up. '. don't delude yourself, any reasonable person knows Somaliland doesn't have the capability or the means to defend itself against alharam or their method of assassination.

Odey;919705 wrote: Dude, I am from Mogadishu and not Puntland, just to clarify before you jump the gun. Secondly I have been in Mogadishu the past 2.5 to 3 years continuously and have seen what AS are and I can tell you Godane's Mrs never came this way, but rather Godane went back to Burco to Make babies each year in full view and with the Awareness of the Somailand Leadership. He was being protected there by his clan/sub clan whatever you call it down there. AS has come home to roost in Somaliland and no matter how much you sugar coat it, that fact will not change. You reap what you sow and in this Case Somaliland has been supporting, arming and providing a base of operations for the senior members of AS for so long simply to ensure the Southern Part of Somalia doesn't get a respite so it may get the much sought after "recognition". The problem is that such animals have a tendency to turn and bite you where it hurts the most. The have bitten Somaliland's Recognition efforts to pieces. As of now the clearly identified base of operations for AS is Somaliland. The current Admin in Somaliland clearly support these guys. Heck!, Godane is Silaanyo's clansman for crying out loud! Whatever you do, don't lie to yourself. We in the South know the facts and had been begging you guys to stop this for a long time without much success. Enjoy you heinous creation! You raise valid questions that need answers its possible Somaliland quest for recognition may have blinded them alharam's activity inside the lands they control.

Love Somalia;918588 wrote: To say I'm disappointed wouldn't cover after what I saw today. I went as usual to pray Jumah in the State House Mosque. The President showed up very late, during the Khutbah, the Imam stopped the sermon for a full 5 minutes until the president finished praying and settled down, then continued after receiving a nod from the President to proceed. The entire mosque was confused. The sermon then became all about the 'glorious president', he spoke about his trip to the States, the attainment of US recognition. The 'historic visit to London' and continued in that vain. He then spoke of the Prophet making agreements with non-Muslims and compared him to President Hassan. That was the Friday sermon, a feeble Imam trembling, fluffing his words praising the President and praying God protect and empower him in every other line, and so forth. I was a supporter of President Hassan, but the little guy with the Napoleonic complex is a dictator already after just 3-4 months. Ministers who want to see him on urgent state business are sent away and told to make an appointment 2 days in advance. This is just one small sample of his 'Presidential style'. Even Sharif, who was criticised a lot in his tenure hardly operated in this manner. There is hardly a plan and agenda for governance over the next 4 years, outside of fluffly proposals in NGO lingo. May God help Somalia. Thanx the update I knew he was small minded with no vision when he picked up the least qualified and yes man for the PM post.

Apophis;918641 wrote: Uganda and Burundi are both landlocked countries and do not posses a navy and thus they cannot deploy what they do not have. Kenya has a navy and has used it to great effect in Kismayo and needs it for logistical and other operational reasons. And your second point is nonsensical. There is no country without the regional states meaning they come before the country. They make the country not the other way round. precedent bro kenya claims big chunk of somalia waters sax? building and funding kenyan navy to petrol our waters is non starter regardless of alharam danger. This was very good call for Somalia government to oppose kenyan incursion to Somalia waters regardless of their intention when considered the recent Kenyan ambition.

xabad;918727 wrote: yes they will. sxb there is a reason why assassinations never happen in SL, every person who is something there has bodyguards and they have police protection unit. PL is useless in terms of security, you would have thought they would wake up by now. war iska diciya nimanka. this is very dangerous, determined, patience and resourceful enemy. the sheikh was killed in sajuud and the killer was after him maybe more then a year. so how do you stop? see normal rules don't apply. Maybe allharam have other reason not attacking somaliland individuals at this time? remember alharam started south more then 15 yrs ago assassinating the elite? that time puntland was safe place. somaliland turn maybe next unless stopped alharam now. I don't think bodyguards or culture are preventing somaliland assassination.

delusion taken to another level ma istiri:cool:

Carafaat;917028 wrote: Question is, did the goverment violated the constitution? :confused:

Carafaat;916733 wrote: We should blame the FM. After all he is the Minister responsible for Foreign Affairs. your showing your full fledged separatist self today what happened? don't blame FM its simply unsustainable and delusional one family political inspiration that played too long.

oba hiloowlow;916497 wrote: wiilcusub is the diving only exclusive for foreigners? Bal warbixin iga sii since im goin to s omalia and SL this summer LOL @oba :confused:

the Somali's never ending feud.

what kind of diplomatic office? clarify please?

Xaaji Xunjuf;913692 wrote: Waxa kale oo uu wasiirku sheegay in weftiga ka socday dawlada Koonfurta Suudaan ay isla soo qaadeen wada hadalo hore oo u socday, kuwaasi oo la xidhiidhay sidii ay labada dale e Somaliland iyo Koonfurta Suudaan isku dhaafsan lahaayeen safaarado. Waxaanu wasiirku tilmaamay in ay heshiis kuwada gaadheen dawlada Koonfurta Suudaan in ay Somaliland safaarad ka furto magaalada Jubba isla markaana ay sida ugu dhakhsaha badan xafiiskaasi u farayaan, waxaanu yidhi “Waxa kale oo aanu la kulanay weftigii ka socday dawlada Koonfurta Suudaan ee ka qayb gelayay shirka waxaanu ka wada hadalnay wada hadalo horeba noogu socday oo ah in labada dal ay is dhaaf sadaan xafiisyo iyo safaarado taasi oo mudaba qabyo ku ahayd dhinaca Koonfurta Suudaan oo hore u sheegtay in aanay farsamo ahaan diyaar u hayan bal se aanu mabda’iyan isla qaadanay, waxaanan shacabka Somaliland u sheegayaa in labada dalba ay ku heshiiyeen in sida ugu dhakhsaha badan dawlada Somaliland loo ogol yahay in ay safiir iyo safaaradba ka samaysato magaalada Jubba ee dalka Koonfurta Suudaan, laakiin ay dawlada Koonfurta Suudaan muddo ku qaadan doonto arrin dhinaca farsamada ah awgeed. ” You can fool people sometime but not all the time.

walaalkis;913647 wrote: It's soon or later that they realize this lalaland dream will never come true and it's just waste of time. It's time to abandon the plan A and back to PLAN B. There was never a plan B unfortunately that makes scary, people really believe this.

Somaliland project was Somali tribal politics taken too far sooner or later was doomed to fail as it was, any reasonable person could see it was unworkable yet many sane people support without reservation through tribal politics . I am not surprised the reaction Somalia recognition caused in Hargeysa as Somalis we vote clan lines.

the opportunities for Somalia was out there all the time but Qoslaaye and his entourage can they take full advantage to rebuild all Somalia? I will say unlikely for now when you observe he and his entourage decisive policies.

Somalia;905936 wrote: For gods sake nothing sexy about this humps and why any one will wear clothes in HELL?