its officially recorded? what happened there? very conflicting stories

this is qabil chauvinistic who are pushing the envelope and we know too well where it will end.

what happened all the objections Qoslaaye and gang had against creating a new State? why so casual? even one that not so realistic at this stage?

if true Qoslaaye and gang action was extremely immature.

Che -Guevara;978829 wrote: Yes, they do! Bombing an entire city, desecrating mosques, raping women, and massacring nomads! And in the case of Ethiopia, massacring its own Somali population! che stay on topic please, we can discuss the past or country politics or intentions. spreading alharam cult propaganda for recruiters and sympathizers is not an answer for what we are facing today or these armies are in Somalia.

Che -Guevara;978826 wrote: Miyir. Again, nobody denies Somalis did serious damage, but how does excuse what Ethiopians, Ugandans, and Kenyans did? be objective, you and I know why people are killed in war zone. tell me do you belief these countries kill intentionally innocent people in Somalia?

Che -Guevara;978821 wrote: Miyir. Let's diminish or deny the crimes committed by these countries. 'They were fighting Al-Shabab' is not a valid argument. You can't mourn the lives lost today while diminishing the suffering of the Somali caused by these countries. This is while saying what one rapist does is okay because other rapists commit the same crime. Somalis cause more deaths and rapes in one day then all these countries did years, alharam is the reason we have them in Somalia now and before.be

nuune;978818 wrote: ^^ What happened today in the mall is a barbaric act, inhumane, and Alshabaab for carrying out should be sliced down one by one. It doesn't matter to Alshabaab whether the end target is children, women, as long they are doing it inside Kenya, they don't care. Kaalay adu, why are you not mentioning the 20+ who died today in Mogadishu as a result of Alshabaab bombs in the Bakaara, most of them were women and children, bal arrintaa eeg ee don't flow with where the media focuses. both are victim's of death cult, im only against anyone who tries to justify alharam actions that is all.

Che -Guevara;978816 wrote: Miyir. I actually agree with you, Al-Shabab has became a menace the moment they start terrorizing the general public, it's one thing to attack a foreign army or the SNA. In any case, Al-Shabab can only be defeated by viable Somali state, "inviting" these countries only exacerbates the problem and as we see it today, they put their people and economies in jeopardy. The world had every opportunity to help establish a proper Somali army, but no country wants that, least of all Kenya and Ethiopia. After the Ethiopian occupation and not to mention the many years of Ugandan presence, you would think people would appreciate the fact it's ONLY Somalis that can fix this problem. fully in agreement in here, we can only defeat them if we are united, are we? the blame lies with us not with those countries fighting in Somalia against alharam.

nuune;978815 wrote: I said, again, Both entities are fighting each other in Somalia, and now in Kenya. Tell me what is wrong with that, are they not fighting each other in Somalia, recently the other day they clashed outside Bu'aale, an Alshabaab territory, and in Kenya, many times before we have seen Alshabaab throwing bombs, and now at Westgate, so inside Somalia, and Kenya, ma muran baa ka taagan, whatever the end target is whether innocent or not, doesn't matter to them! Alshabaab and many other groups should be eliminated from the face of the earth, that we agree, but also don't forget the powerful force in the name of a country doing the same to innocents, that is Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, Burundi etc im shaking my head, the defenseless mothers and kids at shopping mall is fighting in bu'aale? no to entities to compare

Che -Guevara;978811 wrote: Well, unfortunately, these innocent Kenyans are casualty of that war. On different note, do you sincerely believe foreign powers will defeat Al-Shabab? It seems a bit naive! there is difference between cold blooded murder your cult commits daily in Somalia and today's massacre in Kenya and causality of war. any help is welcome, we cannot defeat them alone so far.

nuune;978803 wrote: - The actions by Alshabaab today in Nairobi are barbaric, inhumane, children, women and men are being killed, their action was a symbolic gesture that they can operate in Kenya freely. - The same is true, Kenyan army doing their share of the barbaric acts on daily bases, killing and throwing missiles at villages, children, men and women being killed, their main reason, in Somalia, they say, is that they are after Alshabaab who kidnapped some tourists in Kenya back then. - Both entities are fighting each other in Somalia, and now in Kenya. nuune you lost here, what do you mean both? alharam cult cannot be compared to anyone period. to think alharam cult will spare Kenyans if they mind their business is delusion.

Ethiopia yes both times, Kenya no, I am glad Kenyans did and helped defeat Alharam cult. its war innocent people are killed unfortunately our main enemy is your cult who kill indiscriminately.

Che -Guevara;978797 wrote: Never understood Somalis justifying the atrocities committed by Kenyans, Ugandans, and Ethiopian. If you don't acknowledge the suffering and the humiliation visited upon our people, you are in no position to preach to others. che now i understand why people accuse you alharam supporter. all those countries you mentioned we somalis asked them a hand so we can defeat your death cult,

RedSea;978789 wrote: Kenya brought this on itself. When you invade another country, expect this sort of thing. you need help. alharam is not a country and they have been killing indiscriminately Somalis and Kenyans a way before they got kicked out Kismaayo, anyone who is going to help Somalia defeat them is more then welcome.

RedSea;978785 wrote: Pay back is a ****tch. are you sick? what a pay back? killing shoppers?

Hobbesian_Brute;978704 wrote: I really like how the leftist/liberal western press feign surprise and shock when they find out simple facts about foreign aid; 1. that its dwarfed by the money hard working honest africans send back homes in remittances. 2. that foreign aid is totally ineffective and even counterproductive. 3. that africans can live without foreign aid just fine. Nacala waji kaga yala kilaabta macaga dalka kaga soo dawarsada dibadaha. shameless vomit eaters lot. say what you say about AS but their 100% correct about kicking the aid industry out of the country.:mad: not only that compare here "promises" . next 3 years Somalis aboard will send more then 4 billion and that is sure thing or money in the bank, someone must tell our politicians where the real money is? instead of chasing mirage while being humiliated.

Mad_Mullah;978687 wrote: It's fake - Tunisian government propaganda against Jihadist, funny thing is that the government is Ikhwan /MB - they think that by attacking the Jihadis the secularists will be happy with them and not do to them what happened in Egypt. tell us how you know its fake? Islamist government spreading a rumor against islam to stay in power? lol

Mad_Mullah;978689 wrote: I find it funny how always that's the only thing that gets mentioned, maybe because that's the only wrong thing.... While people are quickly to forget amisom bombing Bakara market, Ethiopians entering a mosque and killing everyone, a woman being raped EVERY SINGLE NIGHT by Somali police/military. you cannot compare planned and executed cold blooded murder against defenseless children sitting for exam or poor woman cleaning the streets to war between groups and astray bullets that kill by accident. im really worried where your heading young man?

expect anything the people who killed innocent and poor kids at school Exam.

gooni;978665 wrote: Arin xun maahan hadii xalaasha laga fiiriyo gaariga hadaan olyada laga badelin mudo cilad baa ku imaanaysa lol

What hate to do with Hand-out?

YET another in a long line of international conferences on Somalia concluded on September 16th with a "new deal" for the world's most failed state. Aid pledges, both old and new, were repackaged with some admirable language about a "Somali-led" process and unveiled in Brussels. It was the fifth such gathering in two years. The Somali jihadist group, the Shabab, hit uncomfortably close to the truth when its spokesman dismissed the gathering as "Belgian waffle". On the same day an arguably more important meeting between the British government, Somali money-transfer firms and banks which plan to close the accounts of the remitters was cancelled. Barclays, which dominates the remittance business in Europe, intends to follow the lead of American banks which have closed the accounts of Somali money-transfer businesses, citing concerns over money laundering and their potential to fund terrorist groups in the Horn of Africa. The Somali money-transfer operators, who send cash back to Somalia from the diaspora, need bank accounts in Europe and the United States in order to do business in their host countries. Should Barclays go ahead with the closures it is unlikely another bank would step in. The London summit had been meant to find a compromise ahead of Barclays' September 30th deadline for closing the remittance agencies’ accounts. For their part, the remitters have offered to undergo rigorous auditing and agree new industry standards for transparency. They argue that the future of Somalia's hawala network—the money-transfer system that developed in place of the country's collapsed banking system—is at stake. The limp response to the threat to Somalia's remittance lifeline from the governments who are at the same time pledging aid has left many observers confused. "No aid can be as great and effective as this instrument," says Abdi Aynte of the Heritage Institute, a think-tank based in the Somali capital, Mogadishu. "If Barclays pulls the trigger, it will certainly have a deleterious impact on hundreds of thousands of people across Somalia." More than 750,000 Somalis currently reside and work in North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and the Gulf states. The money they send home is equivalent to $1.3 billion a year, according to a recent study by Adeso, an African development charity. The new deal promised in Brussels is worth $1.8 billion split over three years. There is also the issue of where this money goes. While Somali money transfers reach nearly half the population, the bulk of foreign aid goes to the federal government whose remit does not stretch beyond Mogadishu and a handful of other urban centres. Neither the northern breakaway territory of Somaliland nor the semi-autonomous region of Puntland recognises the government of the federal president, Hassan Sheikh Mohamud (pictured on the left with Jose Manuel Barroso, president of the European Commission), which the latter refers to as the "Mogadishu government". Meanwhile the president has been forced to concede control of the southern port city of Kismayo to a former warlord, backed by neighbouring Kenya. Much of the rest of south and central Somalia is under the sway of the Shabab. Given this fragmented picture many Somalis are more interested in preserving their old lifeline of remittances than in new deals agreed at foreign talking shops. http://www.economist.com/blogs/baobab/2013/09/somalia The Irony of AID!!!

Hobbesian_Brute;978543 wrote: they forget the , the , not only that but they used different fonts, different colors, different letter sizes, and why write welcome , just write defense ministry in somali language. i really feel like einstein around somalis sometimes lol but sad anyway

Author is not confused is the constitution that says clearly the government's executive is the PM same time elects President to run the country:mad: