Great question/insight, it explains why the Islamic courts were successful, people need judicial redress or else they will take the law into their own hands. The third branch of gov would have solved this farcical position of having two speakers. This is something we need to address ASAP.

GaroweGal;822676 wrote: Mogadisho in the 1950's looked better. What is the point of this thread? 21 years of so called 'independence' and is this all you have got to show for it?? Independenceyay xaal qaado :rolleyes: :cool:

Garnaqsi;823883 wrote: ^^Damn, I didn't know this atheist was also a secessionist!

Chimera;823535 wrote: I once said a mega-city like Tokyo could fit 500 times in a country the size of Somalia, this has given me a broader persepective of the potential that is Somalia, and what is actually needed, and what can be allowed to go its seperate ways. Recently I've become sick and tired of all these clan-states popping up left and right tearing away at the remaining fabric of Somalinimo with this federalism bs, it's either that or the various brain-dead Somalinet refugees that infiltrated this forum and who are currently in a comical fashion threatening that they are five miles from eachothers pathetic little clan headquarters must have tipped something within me. This is the African Century, these walking clan-zombies will never get us to the top of our potential, they don't possess minds of their own, but blindly follow pathetic clan-chieftains like groupies follow The Rolling Stones. Somalia doesn't need them, it only needs one city full of visionary men and women, that wish to succeed in life, and whose only clan is the Somali Republic. A place that attracts the best and the brightest of the Somali World, a place that will build and attract Somali conglomerates, a place that will absorb the 500 thousand Somali orphans in the country and shape them into Pan-Somalists, a place that attracts the hundreds of thousands of refugees that have come accostumed to the fact that their clan is worth sh!t when it comes to their safety and standards of living. A place where the Somali heroes and heroines of the fifties, sixties and seventies can come and retire peacefully in their last days on earth. A place that is self-sufficient and advanced, a real metropolis. I have an inner feeling that tells me peace will be achieved in the next two years, but war will erupt five years later, because the brain-dead chieftains rather see the country destroyed instead of their own clans, and this is unacceptable. After all the sacrifices made by the Pan-Somalists of the past, for their memory to be savaged for another twenty years is utterly shameful, hence the dream of these men and women should instead be honoured in the form of a unified Pan-Somali metropolis known as Pax-Somalica . Let the current Somalia disintergrate into a thousand states, let them all secede, but on one condition and that is; they will return the billions and billions of dollars worth of infrastructure back to the Somali Republic that will be confined to this single mega-metropolis i.e Pax Somalica . With this I mean the thousands of miles of roads and highways, the multiple deepsea ports, the airport infrastructure, etc that was build under the Somali Republic, a construction feat the clan-states have yet to emulate. The seaport infrastructure transported to the new metropolis could be combined into one to become the largest seaport in Africa, the metropolis per square mile would have the most roads and paved streets of any city in Africa, and the airport would have the largest runways. This would give Pax-Somalica a significant edge on the international markets and attract a large amount of FDI comparable to 70s Singapore and South Korea. Just to put it in persepective, metropolises like Hong Kong or Singapore are a thousand times smaller than the region that is East Africa, but their combined GDP is larger than all of East Africa put together! In the past Somali metropolises like Medieval Mogadishu were what the above Asian cities are today. Hubs of prosperity, and commerce, with a grand international reputation, which is exactly what the Somali people desperately need today. A fortress of solitude, that is always open to any Somali on the planet who destroys the slave-shackles of their clans, so they may enter the city-gates of Pax-Somalica as free individuals, and not remain servants of illiterate men that get their heads poured over with camel-milk. No more trying to debate the concept of Somalinimo to anyone, if you don't believe in it, macsalaama walaal, have a good life amongst your clan. No more grovelling to any political entity, if they prefer to be ignorant of our god-given potential, they should be allowed to stay ignorant, only embrace those interested in Pax-Somalica without pre-conditions of any kind. There are millions of great Somali individuals who deep down know they should be leading better lives, and the Pax-Somalica metropolis would be their safehaven. Tremendous, while this may appear pie in the sky, but if enough of us undertook this task, we might just achieve the equilibrium needed to save our country. It's an equilibrium that might not rid us of clannism... but will make it, at least, subservient to the state or our common good.

Did they read it?

Somalia;819935 wrote: Funny how we couldn't use that cause... HE FLED THE COUNTRY. ... The world is a small place, I hope the high court puts a warrant for his arrest.

Mooge;819892 wrote: why run if you are innocent? Suspicious behaviour is not proof of guilt!! The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, article 11, states: "Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which they have had all the guarantees necessary for their defence".

Mario B;819891 wrote: There is a lot of double talk in your comment, one sec you're saying "give the investigation a chance" the next you are saying don't assume so and so is innocent...Isn't the bedrock of a just society the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise? Also suspicious behaviour is not proof of guilt!! Where is the trolling in this comment?

chimera, while I wont dispute what you have written above, and that we started well as country after independence, it's just it didn't take long for our destructive impulse to kick in. I have not written our people off, it's that I have watched us make bad decision after bad decision for the past 20 yrs...Even at this optimistic times we have just witnessed a stakeholder [Puntland] come with a constitution that puts a dagger to the heart of Somalia Republic and unity of our people. There are other groups in the South who are waiting to follow suit once Al shaabab vacates the large swath of land it holds. The dual policy was intended to help regional entities to get fund until the central government was in place but what did we do? We created clan fiefdoms with Presidencies and Head of Army and foreign ministers. [Puntland is planning to print it's own currency] Somaliland and Puntland were meant to be a temporal solution until we become mature enough to realize that nothing was going to work until we reconstituted our central government and it's institutions. Regional governments [for the 18 regions of Somalia] need to be in control these things to work 1. Taxation 2. Policing 3. Judicial 4. Elections for Governors/Chief Minister 5. Mayoral elections for all towns 6. Election of it's representatives to the national assembly. The issues of Army, immigration, natural resources, foreign affairs, currency, state tax [ 20% of what regional entities collect] etc are domain of the national government and not some local warlord.

Mooge;819862 wrote: showqi, give investigation its chance. don't assume tarzan is innocent. this boy would not scape if he is innocent. innocent people don't run away specially when your uncles are at the top of government. he was caught on video. that is the reason he run away. There is a lot of double talk in your comment, one sec you're saying "give the investigation a chance" the next you are saying don't assume so and so is innocent...Isn't the bedrock of a just society the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise? Also suspicious behaviour is not proof of guilt!!

Somalia;819875 wrote: Nothing, I took a patriotic turn, I love everybody now. It' never too late!!

King king is the type that dashes away when it all kicks out.

Garnaqsi;818780 wrote: I'm baffled as to why people take the above verse as a miracle of sorts. The myth of the parted heavens and earth is all over the place. As a matter of fact, many cultures maintained it through-out history. Even in Hesiod's Theogony (one of the most popular creation narratives -- still taught at universities) the first stage of the creation of the present world was the separation of the heaven and earth. What makes yours a miracle? It seems to me what we have here is a glorified myth with no scientific content whatsoever. The Quran is not a book of miracles nor is it a book of science, it's a book of signs. It contains stories of the people of the past, it's a book guidance and a reflection for the people of the present and it foretells on life after our temporal existence Science is a subjective discipline, todays objective truths could be tomorrow's false universals. [ Just ask Newton] Mr Critic,If you're not convinced of its divinity[Quran], why don't you write your DIVINE MANIFESTO and show GOD why he botched his last work? [God forbid]

Beer-Gaal;819433 wrote: Waar dhaafa sheikha, maadeey this is very good news so long aanu kubiirin takfiiriga. LOL, well said!!

Haatu;819435 wrote: Mate I'm not a troll, I was on this forum way before you ever showed up, so how do you know whether or not I'm a troll? Besides, in runta la isku sheego waa wax fiican. I have said enough times on this forum, the likes of KK can't handle the truth, period! He ain't different from any other secessionist.

Haatu;819427 wrote: Ah the hypocrisy! Indeed!!

No need to trash Raamsade, he might have some other issues:D but he may just be stating what we all know deep down. Somalis, one ethnicity, one religion, one madhab, one language, one land...what did we do with all those blessings? We soiled on ourselves.:mad: All of us need to look at ourselves with some serious introspection, because let's face it...as group we have been hopeless.

Yeah, Lets dance...Dance with Sakin, you freaks!! :cool:

I agree with you Uztaad, King and that old man are both on the take.

kingofkings;819419 wrote: you people forget the reason why people decide to write a constitution; to save their people from domestic and international threat. for PL, the constituition is well over due. I am happy for the PL state and her people. now for those of you still struggling to cope/comprehend, PL waited for somalia to get her act together for more than 20 odd years, for the love of god, enough is enough. it's time PL took her proper place in the world community, and for PLers world wide to come HOME. :mad:

I never understood why you cheered PL, I always knew they were stealth secessionists! This is chicken coming home to roost. The beshe Mogadishu/jowhar and Hobyo must show leadership, courage and balls....if not, whatever territory is left in the middle will be taken over by Ethiopia.

Somalia;819411 wrote: Puntland people are disgraceful, not even sharing their wealth, makes me sick. :confused: :eek: It not a good thing being a Somali patriot at the moment, what options do we have now in order to stop this disintegration ? I'm not looking forward to the formation of Jubbaland, do you think they will be next to cede. This is depressing!

kingofkings;819278 wrote: if i were you, i wouldn't celebrate. or are you too confused to see what this means for you in the future. I'm not celebrating.

^^Troll!

WOW! Stealth secessionist have outed themselves.