Backlash, Alcohol is taxed higly in Scandianavian countries and we dont see high death from illegal moonshining, maybe people should just stay away from illegal mix.

@ Burahadeer= It's controlled, that's why you can only get it in Hotels, I doubt if it's sold in high streets or supermarkets. Remember these countries are tourist hubs where Golf tournements, Motor racing, shopping occur and they are financial and media hubs which are run mostly by expatriates, so the state caters for their needs, remember Sharia is for Muslims not non muslims.

burahadeer;837789 wrote:

I think Religious police is bida'a, it's ironic that it's a "salafi" invention. The job of security forces is to keep peace and security and not micro manage religion.

Burahadeer, is this one of your Islam is evil article?

Carafaat;837753 wrote: Juxa, you forgat Paris, Afrika, Yurub, Asia, I had once a g/f named Berlin, I thought it was a weird name but it seem to suit her.

^^ I agree.

Turkey's mounting sway comes at a time when Somalia's political leaders are up against an August deadline to usher in a new parliament and president and adopt a new constitution that redefines the relationship between Mogadishu and the regions. At stake, then, in a country where politics is driven by feuding clans battling to safeguard their interests is a handle on power and the resulting financial spoils. The worry among some diplomats is that Turkey will pick a favourite. Horn of Africa analysts point to President Sheikh Sharif Ahmed's efforts to hitch his star to Turkey. "The Turks haven't got their heads around the politics yet," said one Nairobi-based diplomat. Traditional donors are frustrated about what they call foot-dragging over the political reforms. While some including the European Union have threatened to punish perceived spoilers, Turkey has been less critical. Some Somalia-watching diplomats feel the Turks could use their newly-won influence in Mogadishu to be tougher against the trouble-makers and speak up more strongly to achieve a successful end to the transition. Ambassador Torun dismisses suggestions that extending the interim government's mandate would suit Turkish interests. "Whoever they select, we will work with them," he said. The best way to persuade Somali citizens to buy into the political process and end the cycle of violence, he said, was to offer an alternative to aid and the war economy. "(Somalis) can't support it if you only talk in five-star hotels and then put up roadmaps. It doesn't work," said Torun. "People should see something is going on. Then they get hope and support the process." (Additional reporting by Jonathon Burch in Istanbul; Editing by Pascal Fletcher and Ralph Boulton

Reuters) - In a sprawl of plastic refugee shelters and mortar-blasted buildings in Mogadishu, a mud-caked Turkish engineering team monitors the drilling of a new borehole while their armed guards chat lazily under a tree, guns across laps. These government contractors are on the frontline of a huge Turkish development effort in one of the world's most dangerous cities - one which U.N. agencies and international charities prefer to deal with from the safety of neighbouring Kenya. Across the Somali capital, a bombed-out shell after two decades of fighting, residents say Turkey has done more in eight months to shatter the perception that Mogadishu is a no-go zone than the international community has achieved in twenty years. "Our government likes to help anyone in crisis so we came here without thinking anything," said the lead engineer, Mehmet, who asked Reuters to use a pseudonym because government employees are not authorised to talk to the media without permission. The retreat of al Qaeda-linked rebels from the city in August ended the daily street battles and shelling between the militants and African troops, and offered a rare chance to ramp up aid as a famine gripped central and southern Somalia. Some 500 Turkish relief workers and volunteers poured into Mogadishu's bullet-scarred wastelands, unleashing a wave of humanitarian aid as the militants struck back with a string of suicide bombings and roadside blasts. "Of course it is dangerous but we don't think about those things. Inshallah, nothing has happened to us. If we are afraid, we can't operate," the engineer said. Turkish flags - white crescent moon and star on red background - flutter in the coastal breeze and billboards marking out Turkish reconstruction projects dot the capital, where potholed streets are lined by rubble-strewn ruins and mountains of garbage. Turkey's "Arab Spring" forays into Middle Eastern diplomacy, have drawn much attention on the international stage. Its launch into Africa, however, has gone little noticed by a world more focused on China's involvement in the sub-Saharan region. A hotspot in the U.S.-led war against militant Islam, Somalia offers Ankara an opportunity to bolster its image as a soft power on the global stage. There may also be rich trade pickings for Turkey's thriving economy in the energy, construction and agriculture sectors; but first comes the most basic rebuilding. Beneath Mogadishu's gutted parliament building, Turkish medics perform surgery in a packed makeshift field-hospital. "We come here with our hearts, not for money," said one doctor scampering between the inflatable tented wards. "COVER FOR WESTERN INVADERS" While security rules restrict foreign U.N. staff and diplomats to fleeting visits beyond the military-protected airport in armoured troop carriers, Turkish aid workers move freely in vests adorned with the national flag Their access, it seems, has nothing to do with religion. The Islamist al Shabaab militant group has denounced Muslim Turkey's involvement as a "cover for the Western invaders" and has targeted Turkish interests. A suicide truck-bomber in October killed 72 people, many of them students applying for Turkish scholarships. Two months later a car bomb blew up metres from Turkey's newly re-opened embassy but caused no Turkish casualties. Turkey's Ambassador C. Karin Torun, on his first ever diplomatic posting, described it as a question of political will. "Our aim is to show a different model can work in getting help to the people," said Torun, Turkey's first ambassador in Somalia since civil war erupted in 1991. Istanbul has just hosted an international conference on Somalia, focusing on improving infrastructure and security. "MAKE SOMALIA'S VOICE HEARD" Turkey is among a growing number of non-Western donors bringing funds, a fresh mindset and their own experience in managing natural disasters to the global humanitarian aid scene. Addressing the Istanbul conference on Friday, Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan urged the United Nations to intensify its operation in Somalia, and called on other countries who wanted to help to establish a greater on-ground presence there. "We have really struggled to make Somalia's voice heard, to make those who do not see or feel what's going on in Somalia, see and feel," he said. In August, he became the first leader from outside Africa to visit Mogadishu in nearly 20 years. Privately U.N. officials said they admired the ability of Turkish charities and government employees to work in areas of the Somali capital seen by Westerners as too risky. Mogadishu's central Hodan district was at the epicentre of a protracted battle between Islamist rebels and African Union (AU) forces deployed to the coastal city to prop up the U.N.-backed government. Now building sites are mushrooming. Late last year, the charity Doctors Worldwide Turkey converted a building formerly used as an ammunition dump into Mogadishu's most hi-tech hospital, doing it in just two months. "I'd never seen anything like it before," marvelled Dr Osman Abdirahman Mohamed, who left Somalia during the war to train and work first in Pakistan and then in California. He returned to Mogadishu in 2010. The charity has trained thirty of the hospital's doctors, nurses and midwives in Turkey. Turkish specialists still visit on rotation, part of an effort to counter a haemorrhaging of local medics from the Horn of Africa country. Turkey has fixed up Mogadishu's crumbling airport, built schools and sent hundreds of Somalis to Turkey on scholarships, installed street lighting and cleared mountains of garbage. Behind the counter of his well-stocked pharmacy, run from a metal-sheet kiosk, Mohamed Nur lauded Turkey's "visible projects"."Other governments say they will come but they are not serious. The Turkish government said it would come and it started operating immediately," Nur said. SOFT POWER, HARD CASH Turkey, a rapidly growing economy and multi-party democracy that has applied to join the European Union, is widely regarded as a model for Muslim and other developing countries. It has also raised the flag over trail blazing construction projects across former Soviet Central Asia and the Caucasus region. Erdogan's government has ratcheted up Turkey's diplomatic presence in Africa, opening a string of new embassies and flexing diplomatic muscle on issues from Darfur to the Arab Spring. Turkey, analysts said, wants to be seen as the quintessential soft power. "Prestige maximisation is a key part of Turkey's foreign policy. It is trying to portray itself as an indispensable power beyond the confines of its immediate neighbourhood," said Fadi Hakura of the London-based Chatham House think-tank. While the risks are high - mightier foreign powers have tried and failed to mend Somalia - so too are the potential trade rewards.Erdogan's government is closely linked to Turkey's powerful business interests, especially the "Anatolian Tiger" small companies in the country's conservative heartland that thirst for new markets. In the shadow of Mogadishu's former polytechnic college, a skeleton of a building still scarred by mortar rounds, Bilal Celik watches local labourers manually sieve sand, smash giant concrete slabs and grapple with iron bars. Celik is reluctant to call himself a construction boss. Instead, he says he has set up a not-for-profit group which has secured six school renovation projects worth $30 million."Soon we will bring in masters of electrics, water systems, tiling. After twenty years of civil conflict, there is now very little skilled labour in Mogadishu," Celik said. By September, Celik said, the four-storey building will be transformed into a vocational training school, fitted out with IT and science labs. Everything will be shipped in from Turkey. Turkey's exports to Africa leapt to $10.3 billion last year from $2.1 billion in 2003, with iron and steel, mineral fuels and machinery among the most exported items, according to Turkey's Ministry of Economy. "So business and diplomacy go hand in hand," Chatham House's Hakura said. CHANGED THE LANDSCAPE" Privately, some western aid officials question what deals Turkish aid and reconstruction groups might be cutting to operate with such apparent speed and ease in Somalia.There are concerns among the Nairobi-based aid community that Turkish funding ends up lining the pockets of power-brokers, business tycoons and warlords. Torn between frustration and envy, one aid worker in Nairobi said Turkey had "cut all the corners we cannot cut", but that its achievements were making others look like "fools". Inside Mogadishu's corridors of power, Turkey is flavour of the month. At his heavily fortified residence, where armoured plates cover the windows, Somalia's Prime Minister Abdiweli Mohamed Ali said Turkey had "changed the landscape in Somalia". "They are the sponsor we have been looking for the last 20 years. They are the Holy Grail for Somalia," said Ali, who returned from the United States in 2010, initially taking up a ministerial job in the fractured and graft-prone government. Ali is fiercely critical of the United Nations, which he accuses of dealing with Somalia at arm's length and squandering aid worth hundreds of millions of dollars a year."The truth is they (Turkey) are there to help us succeed. No more, no less. If anyone else has issues with it, I don't care, that's their problem," Ali said. If Ambassador Torun has a weakness, diplomats in Nairobi say, it is that he is politically naive in Somalia, a country where the political kingpins and clan warlords have masterfully duped international actors for twenty years for their own gains.

I think he the same guy that suggested that Afghanistan and Pakistan should be broken up, this neo-con, is also calling for the break up of Iraq [into three parts], Libya into three parts [ Tripolitania, Cyrenaica (Barca) and Fezzan]. Another neo-con,in Haarezt wrote how Azawad state in northern Mali should be welcomed as independent state and that Berber lands in Algeria, Morroco and Tunisia should be broken up from Arab rule. These guys are anarcho-capitalists, who like to turn all the Muslims land into feuding fiefdoms. Saudi Arabia , was also warned if it didn't tow the washington line during the G Bush's Iraq adventure then her oil rich eastern provinces, which is majority Shia, will be broken away from Saudi. Muslims need to resolve their internal faultlines and contradictions, ASAP, because your enermy know where your weak spots are.

XX, the same arguments will be rehashed a week before any of your multiple SNM anniversary celebration, next year.

burahadeer;837662 wrote: This article is on the money. More like a broken record, this article could have been written 2001, 2007, 2011, 2014, 2016. etc, etc... !!

This song is pure comedy and drama.

Caraafat, I have sent donation for both Tayo and Hiil Qaran. I think both parties can plant the seed for civil participation but their idea is few years too early. For now they should put forward what form of federalism we should have and sell it to the people before Farole does it.

Lol, no secession for you. :cool:

^ "Lies, damned lies, and statistics"!

Xaaji Xunjuf;837575 wrote: Except Alshabaab but we call them terrorists. Yeah, its like me supporting the pirates just because they are not Ethiopians puppets or because they bring us a few dough with their illegal activities...it just defeats the purpose, which is, us living in peace within our borders and in peace with our neighbours.

Warya che, they are called Alfa Group and not robots.

Somaliland, Puntland, ASWJ, some members of TFG, some members of TFP are all puppets of Addis Ababa!

Jacaylbaro;837520 wrote: Yeah, delivering some food I'll be dissapointed if he were to turn up empty handed given it's a refugee camp we are talking about.

MashaAllah, is he going to visit the dadaab refugee camp?

Ok, JB...i'll let you of the hook this time. That was a fair protestation.

Yep, it looks that Xiin was a hit with the Turks.

Is Jacalbaro recycling old news? This hater must hate the progress being made in the south. I think it's time Agent Godane was called home.

Al Qaida’s al Shabab may be on last legs in Somalia after key military defeats By Alan Boswell and Mohammed Yusuf McClatchy Newspapers NAIROBI, Kenya -- With the recent loss of two key transit points, al Qaida’s Somali affiliate, for the first time in years, is facing what military analysts say is the likely end of the group’s once-powerful rule over much of Somalia The future of al Shabab, as the al Qaida affiliate is known, is still difficult to predict, but military analysts say its hold on Kismayo, the port city through which its supplies move and from which it derives much of its financing, is threatened and that the fall of the other transit points has cut off key al Shabab supply routes to its western and northern fronts. “The clock is ticking," said a well-informed regional security consultant who’s long tracked the battle against al Shabab and who asked that he not be identified because of the sensitivity of the topic. "They cut off Shabab from their supply routes. It’s a big deal for the organization as a whole." The most recent blow came Thursday, when Kenyan and allied Somali forces captured the strategic crossroads of Afmadow, about 60 miles north of Kismayo. That followed the al Shabab defeat last week at Afgooye, which fell to African Union troops from Ugandan and Burundian pushing west from Somalia’s battered capital, Mogadishu. Al Shabab once controlled nearly all of southern and central Somalia, but that territory has dwindled steadily in the past year. African Union forces pushed al Shabab out of Mogadishu last August, then Kenya launched a surprise invasion from the west in October. Ethiopian troops soon followed, pushing south across their own border with Somalia. Kenya has long indicated that its end objective is to push al Shabab out of Kismayo, the southern port city that’s al Shabab’s most lucrative and important possession. Military strategists say there’s no way to take the city without first capturing Afmadow, a town of 50,000. "It’s a commercial hub for almost the entire region," said Abdiwahab Sheikh Abdisamed, a lecturer at the University of Nairobi and a Somali analyst. With it now under Kenyan control, al Shabab’s hold is crumbling, he said. "Basically, the entire al Shabab-controlled area is under siege," Abdisamed said. "If you combine all those forces, the days of al Shabab are numbered." When the end might arrive, however, is unclear. Multiple sources said al Shabab had abandoned Afmadow without a fight and had set up a new defensive position halfway on the road between Afmadow and Kismayo at a place called Birta Dheer. Kenya has been bombarding Kismayo from the sea, but a spokesman for a Somali militia that’s allied with Kenyan forces said any ground assault would wait till Afmadow was secure and it had become clearer how al Shabab planned to defend the city. "We don’t have any plans of moving to Kismayo that fast," said Abdinasir Serar, a spokesman for the Ras Kamboni movement, one of the Somali militias that are fighting alongside Kenyan troops. "For now we will settle in Afmadow." What happens if al Shabab loses Kismayo is also unclear. Analysts foresee a dizzying array of competing interests that include Somalia’s many clans and sub-clans, the politics of the neighboring countries whose troops are now inside Somalia and the often self-serving interests of the country’s political elite, now ensconced in Mogadishu. Kenya, Ethiopia, Uganda and Burundi all have their own national interests in Somalia, and their own Somali allies. While Uganda and Burundi have been protecting the internationally recognized but flimsy transitional government in Mogadishu, Kenya has been training Somali troops and building ties with Ras Kamboni, while Ethiopia has backed a local Sufi militia that’s at odds with al Shabab’s ultra-conservative intepretation of Islam. With steady military advances, each foreign power is carving out its own regions of influence, and there seems to be no coherent plan for how to unify all these regions under a central government in Mogadishu should the threat from al Shabab fade. As for al Shabab itself, the group has proved quick to evolve in the past, and it could return once again to a more traditional guerrilla insurgency of shadowy rural movements and hit-and-run attacks. Al Shabab’s rise to power occurred during Ethiopia’s previous invasion of the country. If Somalis once again find themselves under the thumb of their foreign neighbors, al Shabab may be able to reinvent itself again.