^^ I was talking about ganacstada in Kenya, particularly the ones in Eastleigh and not Somalia. As for your sentiment about our 'clan enclaves' in Somalia, I kinda agree with you.

^^Lol

Our Mp's use fists because AMISON have confiscated their guns, with out them [AMISON], our MP's would have brought their militias and we would have repeated blackhawk down, all over. That was funny and sad at the same time.

^^ Lol

Jokes aside, my wife is a placid and kind woman, the type that wont hurt a fly, I would have to do something really horrible for me to end up likeone of Dexter's victim.

^^Are those not a minority, what about the majority of the ganacstada? They could campaign against this unnecessary red tape.

^^ Talking about knives, she recently went to Holland with her sista and came back with a set of sheffler knives [ I help with the cooking and these things are sharpest tools you could find], now you got me worried.:eek:

This seems to be a very good programme, I hope it gets extended nationwide.

^^Lol, my wife is even a bigger fan.I make sure I behave, just so I don't end up in a black bag, chopped up,.

DoctorKenney;848961 wrote: Mario, this has already been thought of. Private companies would be hired...HOWEVER, you would need some sort of licensing permit from the Government to be able to do this. And you think the Kenyan Government is willing to grant these permits to these private companies? Definitely no Yep, the problem of a nanny state [ on this occasional scared of competition from private citizens]. And there was me thinking Kenya is a free market capitalist system, so what's the reason for these bureaucratic injustice? P.s I remember some relatives mine being refused the installation of solar panels in their homes, even though the town had intermittent electricity.

DoctorKenney;848573 wrote: Have you actually seen Eastleigh..? It is by far the filthiest part of Nairobi. Absolutely FILTHY There's literally raw sewage on the floor and the pollution is unbearable...yet ironically it is one of the most prosperous areas of Nairobi. The Government in Kenya clearly doesn't care to provide even BASIC SERVICES to the Somalis in Eastleigh...so if Mogadishu ever becomes stable then I think all the Somali businessmen in Nairobi should return to their homeland and invest there instead. Mogadishu could easily claim the title of commercial capital of East Africa. I'm in Libertarian, I believe that the government doesn't have do to everything for you [although I accept the need for socialism for the 30% of the population that misses out in a free market economy]. They could use this opportunity to collect money and form civil engineering companies that can pave the roads and walkways. You could also have landscapers and gardeners to beautify the place up, all these jobs created can come from the community.

The-freeman;848947 wrote: Only difference is the glasses but he would fit in perfectly. Now if only we could employ Dexter to do his work. Nice little packages. Lol@Dexter...but at least he was killing nasty people [unlike our good DR], not that I condone his action or encourage his vigilantism.

The-freeman;848563 wrote: Oh I disagree: religious people such as yourself, are finding their claims challenged and disproved and are extremely worried . In times past such challenges would have invited bodily harm but that has been tamed in places like the West but sadly not so in many other lands where your kind still clings to power. And let us not talk of ignorance as I don't enjoy scoring open goals. What claim that I have ever made on this forum about God or religion that you have challenged? As I mentioned in this thread, since the beginning of Islam, Muslim scholars debated atheists in the mosque in front of believers. So if you are here to debate then fire away! I have seen a lot of atheist complain about threat of violence from theist in those forum [justifiably so] So it is interesting to read your veiled threats. ..not so in many other lands where your kind still clings to power For me religion is personal, I'm not responsible for what governments do or not do, just like I won't hold you responsible for what atheist or 'secular' people do in the name of their ideology or value system.

The-freeman;848906 wrote: Long bearded serial killers... Did you mean this fella?

We should not put all our money in one basket , I say 'little Mogadishu' should stay put .These traders can invest their profit in 'Big Mogadishu' and all the other countless towns dotting around in Somalia.

I don't lose sleep over the likes of you, It's just a shame that a lot of people will fall victim of your ignorance.

This is mafrish talk and the OP knows it well.

It's not theoretical niceties, this is our Deen. it's up to us to rise up to the level of the Deen if we want to deal with the internal contradiction of modern religious societies . If you don't want to have a a speaker's corner in a public area, then The University Campus can be a place for debating neo-Darwinist or Christian expatriate [ given the Mogadishu will hold a lot of International organizations and diplomatic corps and their families] As for the IDP's the only policy that will take care of your concerns is to relocate them to their empty home towns, once security improves, other can be relocated in the empty 20,000 square miles of arable land that we have in the south. As for the returning Diasporas, this contingent will probably have a sizable secular and atheist group, they don't intend to proselytize but will do their utmost best to undermine the believers. All in all, if we reconstitute our education system [spiritual sciences and worldly sciences] we will be able to deal with their secular and Darwinian world view.

Abtigiis;848398 wrote: But then let us leave this you are doing this or doing that thing! I welcome you to the forum and you sound very intelligent. Given that you don't touch our meal (mine and Ngonge's) - which is fetid clan discussions, we look forward for your other healthy topics so that we can engage you and hopefully learn from one another . Soo dhawoow walaal! I think Abtigiis has to throw down the gauntlet, it'll be interesting to see how Nudawn raises to the challenge? We shall see.

^^ Good question. The government can accommodate these type of preachers by designating an area [akin to speakers corner] where people of faith or no faith can discuss the in and outs of their belief systems. Muslim were never scared of debating Christians or atheists...Abu Hanifa, Al Ghazali, Fakhr al-Din al-Razi and many more Muslim logicians debated atheist in the mosque and other public places. For them this was an opportunity for da'awa. But what our state cannot allow is proselytization of our hungry IDP's by predatory Evangelical groups or harassment of everyday people who are going about doing there daily business in the markets, mosques, schools or work places. P.s The Mogadishu church should be rebuilt, probably by us. Islam takes serious the preservation of other faiths that the Prophet forbid the killing of priests or demolishing of place of worship. jihad is not about religious war but the restoration of peace and justice for all, Muslim and non-Muslim. Those who have been driven from their homes unjustly only because they said: Our Lord is God - For had it not been for God's repelling some men by means of others, cloisters and churches and oratories and mosques, wherein the name of God is oft mentioned, would assuredly have been pulled down. Verily God helpeth one who helpeth Him. Lo! God is Strong, Almighty - (Q 22:40)

AUN

Wlc, saxib.

^^ Could it be because we are a 'warrior race' and that we feel the need to shed some blood in order to heal our wounded ego/pride, whenever one crosses our path? Maybe Other poor uneducated Africans who live in countries with 72 tribes don't take themselves as serious as we do. As for SL being peaceful, it's because it's a government of the clan, by the clan, for the clan.

Blackflash;848312 wrote: No one is denying that people of faith have made great contributions to science, it's strange titles like Islamic science or the Catholic church claiming to have played a large role in enabling research that rubs me the wrong way. Don't confuse those who wish to keep the restrictive tentacles of religion at bay, with those who wish to restrict religion itself. I think what they mean by Islamic sciences is, Tafsir [exegesis] of Quran, Hadith, Islamic Jurisprudence [figh], Tasawuff [science of Ihsan or spirituality], Arabic grammar and lexicography, Muslim philosophy, kalam [theology] etc, etc....

They are hundreds of thousands of Muslim from Indonesia, India, Malaysia, Turkey, former Soviet Union, Russia, Middle East and Africa who work in R & D laboratories in the West and in the East, they are part of the symbiotic relation in our civilization. The Arab world contributes it's sovereign wealth to fund some of these researches. Maybe when we fix our economies we will be able to spend the billions needed to bring new technology, IA. Unlike Francis Fukuyama, I don't believe in the End of History....I believe they are more sagas to be written.