This is a fight i wont want to miss!.... Yeah, bring it on I say. P.s Make sure everyone is wearing protective gear.

I love the dignified silence of KS, I hope they keep the good work of reconstituting the Somali Republic. They should leave the bacaac to other Clan States.

Damu Jaadid are on the job training, we need to give them 3 months to set up and run a successful administration. Remember, it ain't easy to hold sway over 12m geeljires.

I am ashamed to admit I had fun reading this thread. Its hilarious in a bad way. It was good to see the human side of both AP and AB.

Saalax;883827 wrote: What is the point putting a Awdalite in the Koonfurian wasiir list, he won't be able to visit home anyway. Spoken like a true clan thug. :eek:

Abwaan;883789 wrote: .....SOL ayaantaan siyaasadda waa ka aamustay. I believe the President and the PM have put every fadhi khudir and non-fadhi khudir to sleep by moving at a snail's pace. I just hope we find out governments agenda, timeline and evaluation of it's programme for next 12 months.

Lol @ Chimera.

oba hiloowlow;883107 wrote: Madax Banaanida Jamhuuriyadda Somaliland waa Muqadas Dadkii Diida Biyaha Badda ha Cabeen

Somali philosopher;883100 wrote: No Islamic country sent army to Somalia in 20 years that is why we have sawahilis and Ugandans paid by the west. turkey is opportunist coming in at last minute to gain influence Turkey's adventure in Somalia has come about because of it's attempt to forge an independent foreign policy away from Washington and European Union. Most Muslim nations are either vassal states or dictatorship that use their armies to maintain power, Somalia is the last thing in their minds. We should welcome Turkey even though it's true that “Nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests.”! So long as it's a mutual partnership then we are will be fine.

Jamelia;882357 wrote: What a silly question. Che -Guevara;883020 wrote: It could be you don't have means, opportunity and most importantly cherries to harm others..lol

Chimera;883048 wrote: Historic revisionism!... A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within... especially a clan treason.

Wadani, it works in place where single clan reside, that is what holds SL or PL together!! The south is mosaic and that i's where the city of government was...a lot of killing and displacement had to occur to create clan hegemony....none of that happened in the north.

Blackflash;882694 wrote: Fair enough. I'm just at a loss as to how they will be dealt with. The clan system is supposed to hold a criminals entire family accountable for their action, causing peer pressure to regulate unlawful behaviour. It seems like that feature is malfunctioning at this point ( has it ever really worked outside of small towns? ). Good question, it seem to work in small towns where everyone knows everyone else, transfer it to a city of 2/3m and its shown to be what it is, an antiquated system not fit for a modern metropolis and or a modern nation.

I believe we need to vet out the men and women who join the army, I believe they are enough decent men and women who could be attracted to this important institution. It will also be a good idea to have a squadron of female soldiers guarding IDP camps, these camps are full of women and children.

Timur;881934 wrote: Clan is a necessity in Somali society. A basic understanding of political and economic structures can teach you that. It has nothing to do with people's own personal desires, no one woke up one day to embrace their clan - clans were formed to address local realities, and everything happening afterward is just a side-effect. Clans and sub-clans are the archaic Somali version of provinces and districts. A clan, much like a formal geographic zone or state, is formed to fill a power vacuum and bring the people of a certain area under the control of a governing system. If you have noticed, in areas where clan structures did not exist traditionally, they have formed to serve the basic purposes they do in other areas (the regions of Bay, Bakool, and Shabelle Hoose demonstrate the recent formation of supra-clans in the place of less formal structures). There cannot be "one Somali clan" because it would be such a massive umbrella that it would ultimately become arbitrary, and useless. That's the sole reason why Somali nationalism has never worked, and will not work today, at least not for another century or more. Nationalism and other wider encompassing identity systems only work in dense societies which fall under a governing authority which has the resources to control all of the people. In that case, it becomes the ethnic umbrella clan concept you're talking about. Ethnic groups that are spread out across large areas, like Somalis and the various nomadic groups in arid Africa and Western Asia, have naturally developed to break into clan and tribal groupings out of necessity. A Somali who lives in Garissa and a Somali who lives in Djibouti have never in their history been under the same system, precisely because of the logistical impossibility of that happening. This dilemma means that there would have always been large tracts of the Somali peninsula that suffered power vacuums due to their dependence on an authority which could not take care of everyone. It was this realization, for the Garissa man who didn't know about Djibouti, and the Djibouti man who didn't know about Garissa, that clan systems formed; it wasn't meant to divide anyone or anything, but to unite people in an isolated community. You, and many others, are going about the issue of solving Somalia's social and political problems the wrong way, by refusing to acknowledge the current reality and refusal to acknowledge your accurate placement in the current dilemma. Somalia is not Japan, there are not 100 million of us sharing an island the size of Eritrea. Somalia is not France, or Germany, or England. Somalis need to stop looking at the wrong places for reference. Those societies became shaped by their demographic realities. Somalis can only mimic those societies by moving the majority of our entire 20-million population throughout the peninsula into a tiny corner of modern Somalia. But if we are to maintain our current geographic spreading, then we can't become Japan. You are out of touch with reality, like many Somalis who don't know their place in the world, so I don't blame you for looking at the subject from one narrow and skewed angle, but try to analyze things a bit better before jumping the gun, and you'll find suitable answers for your proposal. The clan system may spell the source of all problems for you, but it's the sole engine that has kept Somalis on the planet this long, especially the past few centuries that it's been around. Our adoption of the clan system centuries ago has formed us into sub-societies which acted on their own, gradually expanding "Greater Somalia" into the largest contiguous ethnic territory in all of Africa, and which places Somalis as one of the 5 largest land-owning ethnic groups in the world. Greater Somalia was not created by nationalism, it was created by clannism, and this would have been impossible if we all had one supreme leader who kept us isolated in a corner of East Africa. This may not mean much right now, but it has left a huge starting deposit in the Somali bank account, and we're free to use it any time we're ready. I'm not sure what you are fighting here, is it the clan conflicts, or the clan identities? Because it has to be one of them, since you won't ever erase the clan system. People seek protection, and the clan provides that in a number of ways. It is their only state, unless you are providing them an alternative. Don't advocate for people to give up their cars without first installing a metro system in their neighborhood. I don't support the negative after-effects of the clan system either, but I will go about healing its pitfalls in a more appropriate manner which will deliver results. I believe the current systems of federalism are already replacing the clan system; now you have identities that encompass multiple clans at once rather than individual clans. That's why I support federalism, it's a realistic approach to the clan dilemmas and past frictions, and it also supports reconciliation in regions where various clans have common goals, rather than to vainly reconcile vastly separate clans whose relationships did not need healing. This may be the first real reconciliation period I've ever heard of. You could have saved yourself from writing all those words, nextime just say "Clan is everyhing"

This is how our Somali female Somali special force/police/army should dress like with maybe a headgear that doesn't potrude/extend beyond covering of the hair a la Erika Badou so long as doesn't obstruct the wearing of a helmet...Islam and Pragmatism is synonymous as far as I know.

Somalicentric;881688 wrote: You guys are pigs :rolleyes:

Women like this exist in all cultures, most notably in American culture; their identities are far more marred and fractured than the most victimized of us all. They've resigned themselves to the broader power structures bringing broads down. They're pawns in the patriarchal system.[ On this issue, I have always believed that those who propagated this custom were women, and that if all men were to agree [ which I do believe they could agree, if a poll were to be held tomorrow] that this practise should be eliminated, only for women to conspire against that consensus!! I believe women [ cultural Nazi type] perpetual this practise. Hopefully with peace we could eliminate it in about a generation or two.

Apophis;881329 wrote: ^^ilahey amarkiisa But it's good to know who you call to when you're in distress, figuratively or not.

As for the Arsenal, same old, same old!

sharma-arke451;881640 wrote: the tribal flag bearer of sol is oba. The dude drinks qabiil, sleeps qabiil, talks qabiil, dreams qabiil, threads qabiil,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,etc Asoow qabiil rabyaa igaarka!!?!!!! I agree Oba is a big qabiilist in this forum and he also habours some degenerate views , he also seem to confuse the seat of Government with his clan's power structure, a view that PL seem to share. If we are not careful, the President of the Republic, who is suppose to speak for all Somalis, might be eventually be reduced to a "clan President"....and if that were to happen then it will be a tragedy.

Mario B;881578 wrote: You lot opposed Khatumo state, Faroole and you have no credibility whatsoever on this matter. No single sub-clan can form a clan state in Jubooyinka without the supervision of Somali Government and without the interfering of foreign governments. AMISOM's job is to provide security, no more. Ps Dr Abdiweli as a PM refused to acknowledge KS and was/has been toying the PL line, so much for universal leadership from him. He met Awdal state, an entity that had no power in the ground at a time when people were being killed in Buuhodle by some contrived "Republic". You're betrayal was noted, saxib!! At the moment I don't give sh!t about clan states including yours. Should have read, "with the interference of a foreign government". @Somalia, how can a PM be neutral about state formation when he is advocating the very thing...?![ Glad to see you didn't try to defend Faroole here]. As for the two, Dr Gaas has much more integrity than Faroole, and I hope he comes back and gets one of the two jobs in 4 years time.