The MP is telling the truth isn't he?, thats why you are so infuriated.He hit a raw nerve!. I am finally seeing why you are so mad at this thread. Let me point out the scenario for you Silaanyo is so busy asking why the Federal Gov/SL talks are not going ahead( Federal Government decided there was no point talking to them since they had won politically), and even last night he twitted that he will never sit down with Hassan Sheikh( As if The President wants to sit with him lol). They are trying to divert people's attention away from the facts. That recognition is not forthcoming That you had misinformed the poor public for 24yrs That you are afraid to tell them the truth about their situation. that the best they can hope for is a negotiated settlement as a nice little Maamul Goboleed (minus Khaatumo regions) They are afraid they will be skinned alive and all this is a smoke screen

The MP is telling the truth isn't he?, thats why you are so infuriated.He hit a raw nerve!. I am finally seeing why you are so mad at this thread. Let me point out the scenario for you Silaanyo is so busy asking why the Federal Gov/SL talks are not going ahead( Federal Government decided there was no point talking to them since they had won politically), and even last night he twitted that he will never sit down with Hassan Sheikh( As if The President wants to sit with him lol). They are trying to divert people's attention away from the facts. That recognition is not forthcoming That you had misinformed the poor public for 24yrs That you are afraid to tell them the truth about their situation. that the best they can hope for is a negotiated settlement as a nice little Maamul Goboleed (minus Khaatumo regions) They are afraid they will be skinned alive and all this is a smoke screen

The MP is telling the truth isn't he?, thats why you are so infuriated.He hit a raw nerve!. I am finally seeing why you are so mad at this thread. Let me point out the scenario for you Silaanyo is so busy asking why the Federal Gov/SL talks are not going ahead( Federal Government decided there was no point talking to them since they had won politically), and even last night he twitted that he will never sit down with Hassan Sheikh( As if The Presidnet wants to sit with him lol). They are trying to divert people's attention away from the facts. That recognition is not forthcoming That you had misinformed the poor public for 24yrs That you are fraud to tell them the truth about their situation. that the best they can hope for is a negotiated settlement as a nice little Maamul Goboleed (minus Khaatumo regions) They are afraid they will be skinned alive and all this is a smoke screen

Interesting how Slanders on this site are trying to actively diviate us from the spirit of this thread. Can you please share your thoughts on the content of your mp's speech. Remember, he said it not me. So, why don't share your thoughts on the speech by your MP in your local Parliament. The more you try and change the subject, the more your are proving the point that people in SL are beginning to see the light and you on this site are actively trying to make sure the world never sees that. I think this MP is a hero for taking on the subject everyone is avoiding or afraid of. He is a man who fears Allah and tells the truth.

<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> You need the kacaan to tell you who your hero's are. Cat got your tongue everything you have every been told about history is false. The five top leaders: as stated in British intelligence papers 1- The Mad Mullah/Og. Offering to surrender, in his case and that of the Following: 2-Ahmed Warsame/Lander east burco (known as Haji Sudi) 3-Deria Arale/Lander west burco 4-Deria Gure/ lander Only an unconditional surrender should be accepted, no gurantee of any kind as to future treatment being given. 5- Sultan Nuur Ahmed Amaan the late sultan of the Western burco, may be guaranteed his life. All landers accept one. All landers led the dervishes all died fighting the British. According to the British. The kacaan fairy tale of Abdullah hassan and Ismael mirre. Abdullah hassan ran away and even left his family behind and died a coward in Ethiopia. Ismael mirre according to the kacaan was a fighter who shot fire out of his a55 but in reality no one has ever heard about him because he was a 16 year old stable boy. So they created the myth instead of showing the dervishes for what it was a duriyada led movement. So I repeat. The British failed to control these people. I don't talk out of my a55 like you people. I learn history first. No kacaan history actual real history. So let me see if I understand you correctly, You are here claiming that a few Landers who were part of the movement as were many people from all over somalia( who contributed a few people here and there), means in your little brain that this constitutes Landers were the Darawish?. Lets forget the million or so from Sool Sanaag & Cayn who had been fighting for 30 years and died in the process. Lets also forget the overwhelming Landers who were all boot lickers. This is the classic guilty mentality. Adeer we know what you did and yes, those few individuals did join the movement Allah ya Rahma as did many others from all over Somalia, but does not change the fact that you landers as a block were collaborators full stop. don't come here giving us such BS again young man Now, back to the spirit of this discussion What do you think of the speech by your MP?, Are you ready to start facing reality -

<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/topic/kacaan-distortion-of-somali-history-exposed-who-were-the-dervishes/page/3/ Written by your uncle who is trying to do a makeover on your collaboration?. this history is well document and we don't need a secessionist to tell us who our heroes were.

<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> More nonsense from neo siadists and others pretending to be nationalists. For a state to function tax collecting must be strong. The UN doesn't pay the Somaliland army. The UN doesn't pay the teachers, government ministries. Local councils etc. Therefore as a state it is self sufficient one or two buildings doesn't constitute much. As for the police force. Even the logo came from Somaliland and the army uniform and everything else is tax payer paid for. They may have the same supplier but paid for by the taxes of the Republic of Somaliland along with the weapons. Like I wrote the government is responsible for its section while private investment of the people build the state. In your AU colony of Somalia everything is paid for by the UN. Even your so called president salary. Even your band of looters aka army that can't liberate a village without AU. The shahada flag fly from Las canod to the Djibouti border. We signed a book of condolence for a dead Ethiopian man. Wooooow. ethiopia must control all of Africa and the wider world then considering everyone signed it and went there. As for within Somaliland because we don't flatten a village shows our humanity something a man like malister who supports the rape of his mother and sister wouldn't understand. To cut a long story short. Keep writing your nonsense. At the end of the day you fake nationalists and neo siadists have been defeated and exposed. Continue your pathetic tit for tat nonsense while you claim to be nationalists. We all know you are not nationalists. We get stronger every day. Nothing you can do about it. If you ever do win your independence come and we will show you what we are capable of. Let me correct you my friend- The World bank, UNDP and other agencies all support the civil service pay for Somaliland and account for over 2/3 of the monthly budget. They also offer other budgetary support to all other departments. If the International community support for somaliland were to fold today, they will simply disintegrate. I do agree however that due to a world bank led programme a few years ago on taxation, they were able to streamline and strengthen the tax collection service. the package though is far from enough.I don't have a problem for you to brag about you enclave but please stop feeding us the nonsense you listen to in the marfish sections of Hargeisa. Before I forget, you mentioned in your previous post that the "british could not handle you guys in the colonial area". Are you even listening to yourself?. During the colonial era you were all collaborators. The proud history of the Great Sayid Abdulah hassan and the Daraawish belongs to the great Nationalists of Sool Sanaag & Cayn.They have nothing to do with your Agenda and are fighting you on that right now. You sir are the offspring of the British boot lickers, so don't even go there mister.

The Mooshin is not going to be presented to parliament according to Jawaari in his press conference last night. No choice for the President but to deal with this PM. He can't get rid of him and the shift of power is beginning to take effect. Already over 130 MP's gathered yesterday after they learnt that well over 35 of those signatures in their motion was forged and the real mp's who were out of the country called the speaker to confirm this. On a technical point, they lost. They could have brought a motion but they don't have the figures necessary to kick out the PM. The PM on the other hand demonstrated through this gathering yesterday that he had a much bigger support in parliament than president. I guess the Sanbollolshe effect has taken it's toll on parliament. Going forward, we are likely to see a much stronger Government than before, which can only be good since the current government had been working hard lately.

<cite> @SomaliaPatriot said:</cite> I dont support this paper government. I cant ignore the fact that PM Yuulka is qabilist who is after clannist agenda. And Hassan sheikh is not?.

<cite> @HawdMan said:</cite> Listen Odey, the only cheap shots are those photoshopped pictures you fellow koonfurian friend uploaded.we know what they are suggestng , if you waiting for response understand im not going to post pictures of koonfuruan women nor of convicted germanic crminals. the local tabloids daily speak for you taking care of "konfurta". Secondly Your insanse southern somalian obession and wishing day and night for the political shotdown of the Democratic Republic of SomaliLand(R.S.L) and the destruction of its people must end now for your own sanity I wouldn't want you in asylum for hating a neighbouring country where you are seen as an alien. Your criminal regime of Siyad Barre tried to finish the good people of Somaliland with his numerous genocides in towns and villages all over R.SL today history is witness to him dying like the worthless, poor and pathetic dog he was in west africa humliated by the resistance and the free will of Somalilanders. Get this in your insular one dimensional brain you posting a youtube clip start of this blog will not make your fantasy into real. I wish for you sincerely peace in your former facist(same mindset) italian colony of Somalia just like I wish my nation Republic of Somaliland reaches its destiny of diplomatic recognition from the free world . And thats that my koonfurian buddy.Until we take you criminals to the hague international criminal court .Also thanx for brandkilling the once- good somali name you koonfurian genious by associating it with your rampages you probably dont give a shite . Time to get on your knee and apologize before its too late koonfurian nation. Looks like you've been memorising the "green book" of Silaanyo! Try and see if your pea sized brain can understand this- I posted for you and your other brainwashed muppets, one of your own highly prized MP's who is telling you that there is no such thing as recognition that will come. He also tells you that whether you like it or not, you were, still are and will always be subjects of Somalia. Throwing tauntrums only confirms everyones suspicision that you have been brainwashed. No one wishes you ill, unlike what the green book tells you . For the record, SNM was squarely defeated by the National army in 1988. Remnants of them were hiding in the bushes till 1991 when the capital city Mogadishu fell and the regime was ousted. It was the mistake of the naive new government that asked the national forces to surrender to local opposition forces across the country that gave SNM the chance If it werent for that, no such thing as SL would have existed. Contrary to what your sleeping lullaby told you every night , sLanders were at the heart of the Siyad Barre regime, of the Junta that ruled " golaha sare ee kacanka " they made up a disproportionatly high percentage ( almost half). They were leading the forces that started the first genocides in Somalia in 1978, ask colonel's Dhagaweyne and colonel Tanzania ( currently in high positions in Somaliland) I could go on, but i doubt your little brain can handle it . Go back to daddy and ask him why he lied to you all this time. Sheekooyinka marfishka hanoola imaan wilyahow. Finally- listen to the clip again and this time, put down the silaanyo green book.

<cite> @thefuturenow said:</cite> Article 90 (d) of the constitution regarding president powers: Appoint the Prime Minister, and to dissolve the Federal Government if it does not get the required vote of confidence from the House of the People of the Federal Parliament by a simple majority (50% +1) ; There are 275 members of parliament; 140 have signed the petition. That doesn't fare well for the PM, especially if he's not loaded. Go, stay, it doesn't matter at this point, the damage is already done and regardless of the outcome, the Presidency has been heavily wounded.The damage will not be felt immediately, it will manifest itself over the next 12 months.

<cite> @HawdMan said:</cite> Malistar those pictured are disgusting and totally out order. I can not understand why the admins continue letting you get away with uploading seedy ponograhpic pictures to loose a political point to Another forum member. Bila sharaf thy. We had this north south debate many times and will also have in future. However people like you are destroying SOL with your toxic postings that if the admins do not step in now only freaks like you will be left in the politics section. . That's a cheap blow and you know it. Just scroll back to the comments made by all the folks from Woqooyi galbeed to see how disgusting they were. Coming to the pictures, there was no nudity and they were facts, sad?.. yes, but still factual. I suggest you clean up house first before blaming others.

I shouldn't laugh but the picture with the caption " buy one get one free" is really tickling my sides!. You fellas in SL come across like the south Sudanese. They think they are the best in the world, have the best country on the face of the earth, yet the place is a dustbowl, and all they do is rape, kill and do everything they shouldn't be doing......still, one has to brag right?

<cite> @thefuturenow said:</cite> Unlikely. The presidency is at risk if that happens (not the man, the position). Much better the premier resign. At least, we already knew that was a precarious position. President in Addis "to discuss S.Sudan" with his overlords. Source: http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2014/Nov/wararka_maanta6-58952.htm we shall see how it goes.

Unlike the rest of the world, A split parliament in Somalia means they stop being a parliament as they did in 2008.

This is the kind of stuff we should be concentrating on. Well done to the ones that worked on this!!

Here we go again!. I hear the exact number that signed this mooshin is 139 and that the other side is actively working towards a mooshin of their own against the President and have a number in the 128-130. The Parliament has split right down the middle. It's a blood mess!

Let me see , something goes wrong between two very senior politicians, politicians who are the most senior in the country and somehow the blame lies with one particular state under their leadership?. How old are you again?

<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> Islamic courts union or something similar is the only hope for mugdishio and somalia not this nonsense. As for somaliland we have our own objectives. When Southern Somalis become civilised and understand reality and remove the jahilnimo. Muslims in all of East Africa can unite. No more nationalist unity. Muslim unity in all of East Africa. Lets me see if I understand you better , You want southern Somalia to be ruled by islamic courts ( mother and father of Alshabaab) yet you dont advocate for the same on Somaliland- your home village? Thank you for clarifying that point.

Ciidan sultan- are you done posting your videos- its been a few days, so I am assuming calm has descended on you. Now, for the more serious points- the reality here is this; - no recognition is coming! Therefore the choices are limited. - actually its only one- Dadkiina wax la qeebsada!

News just in- odey Culusow and Sakin were taped handing "mooshin" money like candy to the MP's. Culusow as usual over-reacted to Kay and the proof was shown to him- emailed no less!. The mp's who had accepted the bribes were also contacted and are for the moment hiding from Culusow. There has been a resurgence of support for the PM amongst the parliametarians who see this as an opportunity to break the backbone of Damjadid and are actively working towards halting the "mooshin". At the same time , Jawaari has decided to throw his lot with the PM as a protest over what he sees as the president's support for sharif sakiin. The situation is fluid and the previous celebration by the culusow camp has been premature. It is now getting interesting.

<cite> @Holac said:</cite> Source please, and also what are they to use for the power generation?

<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> The fact that odey is preoccupied by others instead of himself shows that he is losing hope in Somalia the nationalist project. Never see Somalilanders talking about Somalia always the other way around. There is a reason for that. They have faith in themselves unlike these physically and mentally occupied people in Somalia. From an outsider perspective odey all we see is African mercaneries, tribalism, civil war and choas along with corruption and none stop nonsense. All we see is An occupied people and occupied state begging a free people to join them in the occupation. The reality is you have no army, no police, no credible systems or institutions. No tax capability, nothing. Just AU forces fighting on your behalf and UN money that gets robbed. Dont forget Saxib. The Somaliland people invented your concept of nationalism as far as it is. Not only did we invent it but we raised its first flag. Today its long gone and dead. And may it stay like that forever. With or without recognition it seems the people of Somaliland would rather starve and be separate then join you. It says alot about you more then them me thinks. It seems our mad naibour down south are starting to fall in love with their occupiers and believe they are actually achieving something for themselves. Let's not lie to ourselves. Somaliland is man trapped in a house with the mad women who is obsessed with him. A mad women who has an African lover now but isn't willing to let go. You truly misunderstand the reality mister. No army, no police and occupied or not, we own you! Full stop, and you cannot do anything without our explicit approval. Just ask silaanyo

<cite> @CidanSultan said:</cite> The fact that odey is preoccupied by others instead of himself shows that he is losing hope in Somalia the nationalist project. Never see Somalilanders talking about Somalia always the other way around. There is a reason for that. They have faith in themselves unlike these physically and mentally occupied people in Somalia. From an outsider perspective odey all we see is African mercaneries, tribalism, civil war and choas along with corruption and none stop nonsense. All we see is An occupied people and occupied state begging a free people to join them in the occupation. The reality is you have no army, no police, no credible systems or institutions. No tax capability, nothing. Just AU forces fighting on your behalf and UN money that gets robbed. Dont forget Saxib. The Somaliland people invented your concept of nationalism as far as it is. Not only did we invent it but we raised its first flag. Today its long gone and dead. And may it stay like that forever. With or without recognition it seems the people of Somaliland would rather starve and be separate then join you. It says alot about you more then them me thinks. It seems our mad naibour down south are starting to fall in love with their occupiers and believe they are actually achieving something for themselves. Let's not lie to ourselves. Somaliland is man trapped in a house with the mad women who is obsessed with him. A mad women who has an African lover now but isn't willing to let go. You truly misunderstand the reality mister. No army, no police and occupied or not, we own you! Full stop and you cannot do anything without our explicit approval. Just ask silaanyo