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Cadale;981779 wrote: :eek: I have never seen anything like this.smh I know right? They're so messed up.

Saalax;981777 wrote: What does the constitution of Somalia say about Somalia citizenship for people born to Somali women and foreign fathers? In Somaliland in order to be considered a Somalilander majority of the time one has to have a Somaliland father to be a Somalilander. Masha'Allah, waa nimco Illaahay.

SomaliPhilosopher;981758 wrote: ^^Interesting, where I can i find his work? Here's one of the articles: http://www.hiiraan.ca/2005/july/op/Abdishakur_Jawhar_PartFive.htm He was a psychiatrist by profession too just like Fanon.

SomaliPhilosopher;981755 wrote: I see you are a reader of Fanon huh? Please put that psychology to use and be the Somali fanon por favor Yes, he's one of my heroes. Read some of the works of Dr Abdishakur Shaikh Ali Jowhar (AUN)...according to many he's already beaten me to becoming the Somali Fanon. His articles on tribal psychology are just excellent.

Safferz;981748 wrote: "Miscegenation is an abomination" could be something straight out of a KKK manifesto, but that was your visceral response to seeing this video. Not sure how that's anything but racism and hatred for others, which is un-Somali and un-Islamic. How is trying to preserve the purity of ones ethnic group hatred for others? I don't follow this logic.

Cadale;981744 wrote: so a somali girl marrying outside her culture is selfhating? wow nice logic there mate. For the vast majority of them yes. It's different if a girl was open to and preferred Somali men for marriage, but she didn't receieve any proposals from good men. If she's getting up there in age, then in that case I can't knock her for marrying an upright ajanabi Muslim. But most of these girls have a dislike for Somali guys for some reason. This aversion to Somali men has it's roots in deep seated self-hatred. To them anything to do with Somalis or Somalia is less-than, lowly, embarrassing, and backwward so they look for an ajanabi saviour, so her kids will be spared the curse of being born a Somali....'the wretched of the earth'.

Safferz;981738 wrote: So how do you rationalize your racism and intolerance? Well it depends what you mean by racism. I don't hate other races, I just have greater affinity and strong loyalty to my own people.

Safferz;981731 wrote: As long as it aint happening in my fams i'm straight. To hell with the self-haters, let them do as they wish.

Nin-Yaaban;981732 wrote: And if you really look very close, you'd find out those people who have problem with Somalis marrying non.Somalis are the same people who would have problem with Inter Qabiil marriage. It's just that they now have something new to focus on. loool, nonsense.

Miscegenation is an abomination.

Hawdian;981601 wrote: my name hawd is a reference to the hawd and reserve area a former rep of Somaliland region lost to habashia . I am from Erigavo reer ahaan iyo degan ahaan labadaba. Che im a man .saxiib So do u have a big beard in real life?

xiinfaniin;981637 wrote: This week I have forced my self to contribute to this beloved forum of Somalia Online. For months it was clear to me that I was coming down with a peculiar cynicism regarding the prospect of secure, peaceful, and united Somalia. I have greatly struggled to reject the feeling. But the pretense of hopefulness only exacerbated my internal conflict. My thrill and excitement for a permanent break from the depressing Somali situation has finally gone. I suspect my age played a role in reaching such a conclusion. After all, I just turned 40 ---an age that is indicative of maturity. Even God spoke men only when they reach this age. What this means is my passionate argument in these boards that Somalis are ripe for reconciliation, the there is a light at the end of the tunnel, that we reached a tipping point, that we can indeed resolve our conflict by ourselves, or we actually turned a page in our long civil war to a better tomorrow is no longer valid given the stubborn reality and the resultant tragedy that's refused to go away. Though I still stand by my original diagnosis of Somali ills, namely that they are political in nature and are worsened by clannish animosity and poor leadership at the national level, I do indeed realize that I was wrong in my estimate of how long it would take to overcome the conflict. What broke the camel's back for me is the current government which showed unacceptable level of incompetence in managing our twenty plus year conflict. Current leadership in Mogadishu has sadly turned the knife quite deep. And by doing so, they handed the South Central of the country (perhaps with the exception of Jubbaland) to AMISOM. The country will be fragmented along regional states. SL, PL and JL are already realities (with minor teaks) that cannot be reversed. With the presence of AMISOM, and Alshabaan the rest of the country will take time to develop solid political entities. And that in turn will mean Somalia as many of us had hopped will not be. It will be very difficulty to envision a federated Somalia when significant portion of Somali population oppose the federalism framework (even though the constitution mandates it). Equally hard to imagine is how a central authority could ever develop the political legitimacy and legal mandate needed to govern when plurality of the country is quite resolved to implement federalism. Had it not been current SFG's intransigence and arrogance, this stalemate would have been mitigated. President Hassan and Prime Minister Shirdon have indeed underestimated the effect of civil war on the country and how the significant demographic change in Mogadishu affects any future political framework in the country. The situation is so bad, trust so lost, that even if the leadership genuinely attempts now to right the situation, success will be limited at best, if not unachievable. Kenya and Ethiopia will continue to play an important role in Somali affairs. The odds are Somalis (especially those in Mogadishu and its vicinity) will continue to cry wolf about foreign intervention and what not when indeed they ignore the real elephant in the room which is the mistrust among Somalis themselves. Alshabaab or variations of it will continue to benefit from this same mistrust and will have a significant presence in important regions and areas in the South/Central. International Community will sadly continue to view Somalia in the lenses of fighting terrorism. With Western donor money and AMISOM boots on the ground, the current thinking of containing the Somali problem seems to be gaining momentum. The Turks proved to be ill equipped in understanding the Somali conflict : on the political side, their engagement with Alshabaab resulted in Alshabaab (ironically) greatly consolidating its rank-n-file while the talks between Hargeysa and Mogadishu show no signs of progress. On the development side, their concentration on Mogadishu resulted in Puntland (a major stakeholder) resentment toward what it perceives to be a one sided Turkish aid. The Diaspora is divided as ever. A week or so ago I participated a day long AMISOM organized Diaspora conference in Minneapolis. Although there were many of us with impressive education and experience, in my assessment, our differences in understanding what the conflict is all about, and the ways to resolve it were so different that we were nothing but an illustrative manifestation of the very conflict we were supposed to help mitigate. At the end the net result of the conference was a watered down recommendation that was so shallow in substance it was not worth the paper it was written on. But we were civil and agreeable. The Diaspora is not in a position to help in a unified way. All that indicates we are indeed far from resolving our political conflict. The peace caravan has died in Mogadishu. It is official: Hassan Sheekh read its last rites. Still though I believe the Somali people will continue to excel and succeed wherever there are laws: in Kenya, in Ethiopia, in Middle East, in Europe, and in America. Even in the parts of Somalia where there is a resemblance of law and order. From xiinfaniin, a keyboard waranle turned into online xerow Great read. I too share your sentiments.

"In a country torn by decades of war, the number of political panhandlers scavenging for scraps on which to feed their ambitions is too great to count. Online news sites and radio stations serve up a daily fare of vitriol and abuse, with contributors propagating their clan’s agendas. Of the no-holds-barred allegations that have been made, I would point out two. Ahmed Ismail Samatar, a political scientist at Macalester College who ran for president last year, has blamed his defeat on vote rigging and vote buying. Even more troubling, Ali Khalif Gallaydh, a member of Parliament and a former prime minister, has alleged (citing unnamed British and American intelligence sources) that Mr. Mohamud has contacts with Al Shabab, the Islamist affiliate of Al Qaeda in East Africa." To me, this reads more as a disparagment of Ahmed Ismail and Galaydh than of the president.

Hawdian;981586 wrote: @ Alpha KKKK The East is Wild because We as Natives are tough people Far Away form Cafe Latte Metropolian Hargeisans. But have no doubt we know to deal with troublemakers koonfurans in Our homeland, Erigavo,Sanaag. .. http://i.imgur.com/kkCcd.jpg Ma reer Hawd baad tahay mise reer Sanaag?

Nuuradiin is a fool.

Safferz;981468 wrote: Interesting read... I've wondered about this before, since I don't wear hijab or believe in what it symbolizes but I do cover during prayers. The difference to me is I don't feel sexualized by the hijab during prayer (someone can correct me on this, but I believe it's recommended that Muslim men cover their heads during salat as well, the idea is to humble yourself before God and dress modestly in His presence), but the hijab in everyday life is about your relations with other people (horizontal rather than vertical, as it would be with prayers/God), suppressing the female body and sexuality in public space because of the male gaze. It's not only about other people since it was ordained by God and will effect your relationship with him. But I do see what you're getting at. Let's put aside the fact that Hijab is a commandment from Illaahay (which you've already done)...we then would have to judge the merits of women covering/not covering in public based on the social effects that are borne out of each condition. The Quran is clear in explaining the functional purpose behind covering; namely so that Muslim women will be known (known as chaste/modest) and so that they will not be annoyed/harrased by this ubiquitious male gaze u speak of lol. But since we now live in a vapid and decadent society where vice has become virtue people do not value chastity and modesty and thus cannot see the utility in the hijab serving as a marker for such women (not always an accurate marker ofcourse). And as for it's second function, feminists suffer from a dissonance of sorts....they want to dress as they please and become sexually 'free', yet become filled with indignation when men (read men whom they are not lusting after lol) 'objectify' them as a result.

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Saxansaxo;981364 wrote: It¨ll be challenging as somalis are proud people and are cuturally expected to be strong and endure hardships. This "nin ama naag adag iska dhig"or jiljileeca dadka ha tusin" is unfortunately taken to the extremes. Though it might make it difficult to reach out to them, especially as stigma is prevalent, there is definitely a great need for it. You can work with psychiatrists back home and with patients that are recieveing treatment and help them in their transition to the harsh life outside the clinics, among other things. There are several psychiatrist who left or partly left qurbaha inorder to treat and educate the public, maandheeye clinic/hospital in burco being an example. Ha ka niyad jabin inshaAllah. Waad ku mahadsantahay dhiirigalinta walaalo.

Abbaas;981424 wrote: What do you think and how would you translate this "The report made very specific recommendations for policy reform"? Mahadsanidiin. "Warbixintu waxay soo jeedisay talooyin hoose (?) oo ku saabsan dib-uhabaynta xeerarka." Wasn't sure how to translate 'very specific'. Maybe "Warbixintu waxay soo jeedisay talooyin aad u gaar ah oo ku saabsan dib-uhabaynta xeerarka."

Mad_Mullah;981357 wrote: Yes fictional. He bombed Hargeisa, yes. Just like Gaddafi bombed Bengazi, but you don't hear them crying about "genocides" and using it as an excuse to leave the country. The only difference is Gaddafi didn't bomb Benghazi...it was a complete and utter fabrication used by the West as a pretext towage an unjust war. Onthe other hand Hargaysa was literally bombed to the ground...no one denies this, whether pro or anti SNM. Go on youtube to see the aftermath of the air raids and the heavy shelling that took place in Hargaysa in 1988.

Mad_Mullah;981354 wrote: Just like blaming Siyad Barre for your fictional genocides right , excuses that are still used after 2 decades. Fictional?

ElPunto;981178 wrote: Usually Somalis keep their mentally ill with them in their houses. They may not know how to care for them properly and lack community support to tackle this issue. Not sure about this 'in chains' business . And the one in three - BS. Unfortunately this is quite common. But it's not done out of a cold hearted disregard for the mentally ill, but out of sheer desperation on the part of the families who have no other means of ensuring the safety of the family member and the saftey of others in the community.

Agree to both your posts above.

Safferz;981155 wrote: I really don't know, Somalis are not hostile to Western medicine and treatment overall, it just seems that our folks don't take mental illness seriously and don't see mental health as something that needs real treatment. The documentary shows the prevalence of mental health issues back home (UN says as many as 1 in 3 Somalis has a mental illness), but doesn't go much into the barriers facing the mentally ill. I think it's the opposite actually. They it take soo seriously that they go into denial when one of their family members is afflicted with a mental illness, and they'll give silly rationalizations to friends and neighbours like 'he's/she's been staying up too late, he/she just needs more sleep' or 'there's a jinn in him/her'...etc. Anything to avoid the stigma of mental illness, which in their eyes seeing a psychologist/psychiatrist would be part and parcel of. That's my theory anyways.