The foriegn minister of Somaliland is a duplicitious smooth talker, who sings the masses lullabies to return an awakened Somaliland public to their state of slumber. But it's a little too little too late, because he isn't fooling anyone but himself.

Che -Guevara;913624 wrote: Aaliyah....I think GG is saying there's subset of women who retire common sense when it comes to marrying reverts, in other words, they go out above and beyond to please these reverts while ignoring their own needs. Somali men are not afforded the same courtesy or might even denigrated. Things like marrying someone who just did a stint in prison makes no sense. She condemns her and her kids to poverty as criminals are unemployable.In any case, I guess it's their life at the end. On the positive side, atleast our girls haven't labelled like Asian chicks dating white guys, a phenom in the states. Asian girls are... I never understood the Asian girl-White guy phenomenon. Anyone know y it's so common these days?

Xaaji Xunjuf;913600 wrote: wtfg Somalidu wa xaabo,, Somalia 17.000 oo africaan ah ba ilaaliya kheyr na kuma joogan wa lo qayilay Somaliland na wa iska noolyihin ilahay ba iska wata dunidaba cidi kama taqano oo wax buuran islama hayaan.. Djiboutina fransiis ba ilaaliyaa oo wali wax maxmiyaad. kilinka shanaad iyo nfd iyaga hadalkooda ba daa. Africa da kale wabay ina dhamaan oo wax bay haystan oo wuuxuun ba u dhisan. Somalidu wa xaabo xaarkooda walaqda, Dabeedna murayada isku eega oo is cajabiya oo yidha wanu qurux badanahay kalay arka sankayga dheer kalay arag sidan u eegahay loool. Haddii aanay qabyaaladdu ina reebi lahayn oo aynu ahaan lahayn ummad midaysan, miyaynaan meel heer sare ah gaadhi lahayn?

I assumed Qansax means Khaatumite when uses D-hunter.

Oba, Soomaalidu way ka duwanyihiin madowga kale, waliba aad bay uga duwanyihiin ee dhibaatadu waxa weeyaan inagii baa isku mushquulnay. Haddii aynu u soo jeedsan lahayn danteena iyo cadowga rasmiga ah Afrikada kale in aynu ka duwannahay adduunkoo dhan bay u caddaan lahayd.

Apo, I sense ur in a good mood today.

Alpha Blondy;913552 wrote: ok. i apologies for calling you ''young'', okay? i'm on a ''benevolent mission'' and even that's stretching it far, in all honesty. wadani, i think you've been away from the homeland for a long time. the situation on the ground is not as perceived by those with lofty diaspora aspirations of perhaps returning one day. i made a conscious decision to return home. i was ''broken'' and returned with the view of cleansing my ''hybrid-somali-from-a-distince westerner identity'' of any lingering vestiges of ''western values'' and more importantly of any continuing influences of western cultural norms. my aim to create a singular and indeed complete personal identity. i was deluded and felt British dee. in hindsight, it was also my protected upbringing that misled me about the harsh realities of life. i believed in this potent mantra of democracy, multiculturalism and human rights before denouncing the WEST forever. for the next year or so, i begun a process of self-evaluation, of change, of finding purpose and belonging. i did that by coming here. my coming to somaliland trip was very much low-key, you see. i was a popular and rather active in diaspora-based pro-Somaliland events/lecture circuits but soon realise the 'group' i was cahooting with, were pathetic, khat-addled-Somalilanders-from-a-distance and in name ony. they spent their entire time on exchanging and repackaging the latest somaliland news and information, occasionally adding their own version of events to the latest developments. these men thought themselves the pioneers and protectors of 'Somaliland' in the diaspora. the misinformation and hyperbole were an attempt to manipulate the masses of patriotic Somalilanders in the qurbo-ha with the view of creating an unshakeable sense of nationhood and somalilandnimo. they'd often re-tell their dramatic stories of conquest and liberation and i was in that world. i was attentive and foolishly followed these lies in the hope that it would firmly solidify my shaky belief and weak sense of being. I was a dedicated follower in these cult circles and was hailed as the next big thing – a new form of somalilander from the qurbaha but with the lingo and ideology of cult leaders. but still, i yearned for more than mere stories and tales of biblical proportions. i came here and saw my land and realised the evil rubble-rousers and instigators, were so detached from reality and lived in a bubble, a bubble of illusory dreams and nightmare induced fallacies. for the last three years, i've been working on grass roots, organic development, development dictated by us and not them conscious efforts to rebuild the broken social fabric of this land. the people of this land don't need the usual delusional nonsense peddled by fake politicians like 'international recognition'' and other such fallacies. i feel, they need to understand the importance of sacred social values of 'trust', confidence in their own being', deference, trust in social institutions and authority. from the very outset, i felt, through the various research and papers, i wrote on these matters that crucial societal rehabilitation efforts were being ignored and considered something peripheral that the somali customs, norms and values can wholly solve. I realised that through a grass-roots, bottoms-up and an organically Somali approach, I was more than capable of developing new methods, ideas and thinking that may signal a way forward. and i feel i've achieved those aims in their entirety by blogging on SOL and 'exoticisting' my mad exploits for all to see, in the hope they may confer me with accolades, sharaf points and ever lasting success. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL two years helping Good read.

Haatu, I don't blame. u There is a cultural difference between reer waqooyi and other Somalis when it comes to this. To us asking somone their clan is like asking them their last name. It's very normal to us.

lol, ic. In that case ur a mini libaaxad.

How do u know im young horta? I apologize for my outlandish and baseless allegations. But did u just say ur on a civilising mission. So much for the White Man's burdern, it has now become the deluded returnee's burden. I would have thought a man of ur stature and intellect would appreciate the symbiotic and mutually beneficial reltionship between the diaspora and the locals, and not view your presence there as God's gift to Hargaysa.

Reeyo, by 'they'll learn' I gather u don't disagree with the nuts and bolts of GG's message, just with her style of delivery.

Alpha Blondy;913489 wrote: another friend goes back to ''qurbo-land''. he came around to say goodbye. kinda sad that he's leaving. i guess SOL is always here. there is something resilient within Alpha. i don't know how i've survived here for so long. Don't pretend like u have a chocie in the matter Alpha, we all know there was a warrant for your arrest that prompted ur hasty departure to Somaliland. U'd be at a shisha bar in central London by tomorrow if u had even the slightest hint of clemency on the part of the British criminal justice system.

Makes more sense. I ask people im comfortable with which clans they belong to, and I don't think theres anything wrong with that. If they feel uncomfortable, which I haven't encountered yet, I'd just assume their engaging in projection and assuming i'm a qabiiliiste because they r. A thief deems others to be thieves, and a liar others to be liars.

Y do u say that Alpha?

QansaxMeygaag;913466 wrote: Take a wild guess; won't I spoil the fun of SOL if I reveal too much.... Only reason i'm asking is u said u've never seen a sand-dweller. This means u definitely don't live in England. I also doubt u live in Canada. Maybe somewhere in the states.

Where do u live Qansax?

Waa af-Qardho dee.

Excellent article. I've always had a problem with religious people who act as if we are primitive aminals unable to control our base desires when faced with the slightest temptation. I know many of them who won't attend a harmless event, even if it's for a good cause, because it's mixed. Like really, are the men gonna jump on the women and start doing obscene things because they couldnt help themselves. People need to take responsibility for their actions, and those who try to find religious justifications for their weakness are cowardly and doing the great religion of Islam a disservice.

GaroweGal;913324 wrote: Aaliyah I am not sure what you’re talking about. No one is arguing that people shouldn’t marry who they want but I just pointed out the sheer hypocrisy of the self-hating, ajanabi-loving so called Somali sisters who go out of their way to demean and denigrate our Somali brothers in order to justify their obsession with other men from other races. I also cannot stand and I have no space or time for people like you who try to defend or make some sort of excuse for those kind of Somali-bashing, self-hating sisters. I cannot fathom why you would want to normalize or push such a twisted agenda on us. For example, one of your favourite inspirational speakers i.e Brother Mohamed Diini was warning us in one of his lectures that he is always ashamed and embarrassed to see Somali girls are the first put their hands up and are ready to run after an Ajanabi. He urged us Somali girls and boys to stick to their own race. He emphasized that this phenomenon is prevalent and so pervasive in the Somali communities throughout the diaspora . Anecdotally, I have heard some horrible stories involving self-hating Somali chicks who run away with Ajanabi only to come back to the community distraught and depressed. When a Somali brother wants to marry a Somali sister, the girl's family will do some background check to ascertain his suitability, character and Deen, however with converts they get away with so much as no one knows their family or background. Islamically, the four imams unanimously encourage and recommend one to marry within his own race. Also, in Islam one should check the person's akhlaq or character as well as their diin. However, it appears many of those self-hating sisters are mesmerised by a convert's big-beard or that he is a brand new Muslim, so he must be a special catch. By the way, Somali guys are not immune from this disease. I have seen some eligible and educated Somali guys marrying outside the race, and this equally disturbing. Libaaxadddd!!!!!

nuune;913278 wrote: we not hikacking the thread, it talks about white, and whites are overtaking our women, now hada waaba Asian No, pre-screening arranegments are held in advance, where Somali men would be excluded, waa racism iska caadi ah, or maybe cunaqabateyn, because the Somali women(gabdho and garoob) will request no Somali men to come to the session,it is cunaqabateyn, wallee Asian ayagaa ka shallaayi doona ee dhaaf. Nuune is this seriously going on? Wow, they've taken it farther than i've imagined.

I geuss so Che. But saxansaxo makes a good point...these impressionable religious girls think just cuz the guy reverted he must be perfect. They forget that ones personality and characteristics are independent of religion for the most part. Also they don't take in to account that these guys grew up their whole lives as gaalos, and we all know how much the early socialization of a person effects them through out their life. And as for marrying timo jileec and dhago-cas....well good luck to them with that lol.

As long as they stay in qurbaha with their ajanabi husands, then there's no problem. Somalia is for Somalis, period.

GaroweGal;913262 wrote: Chubacka- There is nothing weird about Somali brides wearing the white dress back home it's nothing of phenomenon they were doing that back in the 50's and 60's not mention females back in Somali never ever covered till they married. The Somali today is far different to the Somali back then. Come on Aliyah! If she was marrying a Somali guy she would have demanded a lavish wedding and loads of money but when it's a bloody white convert she is happy to sleep on the floor and submit to everything he demands. And there are many parents that are supportive of their daughters marrying outside the race. I find it laughable that a lot of self-hating sisters always try to justify their actions in relation to their convert husbands. They shamelessly state that their convert husbands are so pure, pious and prefer a low key wedding when in fact we know that this far from the truth. However, if a fellow Farah wanted to marry her she wouldn’t hesitate in demanding a fifty thousand dowry and a flashy wedding. And why is it the converts are always considered and ‘labelled’ to be better than all the Somali brothers? Wow, GaroweGal ileen khatarrrr baad tahay. I like the way u think.

Interesting, never heard of this technique before.

Actually there was a psychological study done on monkeys to see how important touch was for an infant (infant monkey in this case). One was placed in a cage with a metal bar with a feeding bottle attached to it. The other was placed in a cage with a feeding bottle attached to a fury object much like an adult monkey. The latter monkey would feed and then cuddle up with the fake mother, while the other would just feed. The developmental differences in the two monkeys proved to be huge, with the former developing severe psychological problems followed physical problems that eventually led to his death. The other monkey was relatively well adjusted and healthy. We cannot extrapolate from these results with %100 certainty that the same would occur with human infants, but it does give us a clue nonetheless. So Dhagax-tuur isn't so odd after all lol.