SomaliPhilosopher;946414 wrote: Me and Wadani had a little talk dee. We met at the Niagara Falls as my passport is expired so I wasn't able to cross the border. We exchanged a few fistt, gabay recital contests, and a game of rock paper sizzors. Lets just say SP still got it in him loooooool. This gave me a good laugh. Needed that, cuz im in a lousy mood today for some reason. Safferz, wanna cheer me up?

Excellent thread Nuune.

I have a water-maaliyan friend. Good ppls I tell ya.

Safferz;945858 wrote: I'm sure it worked I cannot confirm nor deny.

Safferz;945853 wrote: I guess he could be, but I hear the accent of someone who speaks Somali as a first language, not a Bantu language. And I've definitely seen ethnic Somalis who look like him. Yes ur right, there are ethnic Somalis who look like him in terms of facial features but u can tell in aanu dhiig Soomaaliyeed lahayn. It's a subtle marking of ajanibiness only discernible to a Somali.

Safferz;945851 wrote: He's one of my many academic crushes Ur futile attempt at making me jealous has been noted.

Safferz;945848 wrote: lol what do you think he is? And why is it relevant? He looks baajuuni or one of those people from the swahili coast. It's not relevant, that's y I end my above post with 'just saying'.

I actually met this Levitt guy and my pal got him to autograph his copy of freakonomics. He was aight lol.

Safferz;945836 wrote: What makes you think that? He said he immigrated from Somalia 15 years ago in other interviews. He may be from Somalia but he's clearly not an ethnic Somali. Just saying.

This guy isnt Somali.

Safferz;945820 wrote: We ain't friends either Wadani lol I'll remedy this during the next debate. I'm already on ebay looking for deals on pon pons.

Safferz;945805 wrote: ^^ Alpha I told you we were dead in PMs just yesterday, and by insulting Wadani you have insulted my maternal beeble as well dee. Clearly we have little in common if you thought I'd enjoy Evita. U sheeg abti.

Finally Safferz suffers a defeat. Lool it was a long time coming but its come. My hat goes off to Chimera.

Chimera;945702 wrote: Somalis are 'the one ethnic group' that had the most wide-spread power projection in East Africa, be it military, cultural, or economic. Their impact can be traced from Egypt to China, in the form of states, trade, cultural diffusion, or individuals. Somalis controlled the richest cities in East Africa, the most battle-hardened armies came from the Somali peninsula, it was in that region that a European power was defeated for the first time. They had the most expansive maritime-network, and possessed the necessary ship-building technology and port cities to sustain such a culture. The economy of slavery in that region during the Middle Ages was the domain of Somali polities such as the Kingdom of Adal, a single leader from that superstructure enslaved 20 thousand Abyssinians every Lent, most of whom were exported to Arabia and India, and much more were captured and sold during the Conquest of Abyssinia. You had Hydraulic empires like the Ajuuran that maintained slave-armies, and controlled major port cities from where slaves south of Somalia were brought to, and then sold. We "cannot confidently assume" those referred to as "Abyssinians" in history to be misrepresented Somali captives, because there is no evidence of this. No major foreign empire ever held sway over the Somali peninsula, nor is there any historical corroboration for a trade in "Somalis". This is an ethnic group whose phenotype, language and culture was distinct enough for the likes of Ibn Battuta during his visit to the Sultanate of Mogadishu, to differentiate them from both the Arabs and other African groups, including the Abyssinians. Only in a world where Somalis were mere guests in the famous paramount cities situated on their land can you postulate the idea that they were sold like chattel. However, we know from history, (one not polluted by the underestimation of colonialist scholars or the revisionism by clan scholars), that Somalis were very much in the driving seat of any economic venture taking place in their lands, be it as benefactors or originators, this includes a disgusting trade such as slavery. They had the necessary infrastructure in the form of sprawling white-washed cities, and well-situated ports to attract trade from Madagascar to Venice. They had the necessary military power to subdue potential lethal foes in the region. The Portuguese were the foreign polity with the most power-projection in Africa, and still they were defeated on several occasions by Somali soldiers, including in their own colonies that are today part of Kenya, Tanzania and Mozambique. Any attempt at attacking or holding a Somali city on their part was repulsed. Another arch-enemy like the Abyssinians were subdued to such an extent that for the next four hundred years, they never left their borders to plague any of the Muslim cities in the Horn. The Indian Ocean and Red Sea trade was our ancestors specialty, they dominated, be it through the gold-trade, the incense-trade, the textile-trade, the exotic-wildlife trade, or the slave-trade. Its why we have more than forty historic inland/port cities in the country, a legacy and mark of a renowned seafaring people. The old Museum was filled with navigational equipment, ship models, anchors, and other items from the past, which is evidence of a sophisticated and well-developed maritime culture. Slavery in Somalia is a well researched topic, moreso than many other important ones. Scholars such as Catherine Besteman's extensive research on the issue comes to mind. The slave-trade in Somali port-cities reached a peak in the 18th/19th century, and the biggest importers from the markets of Zanzibar were the Somali plantation owners in the South, during the Gobroon Dynasty. Mind you, to be clear; were some Somalis in history ever captured and then sold? Sure, but they would be termed prisoners of war, and this does not equal "slavery", which is the enslavement/export of a large amount of people to perform servitude either domestically or abroad. The same way some Japanese in history were once captured and then sold, but we cannot then claim the "Japanese were enslaved", which gives the impression of widespread slavery. There are plenty of historic Somali figures/groups that made an impact around the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea that we can be proud of, we don't need the characters in your articles to be refashioned into Somalis, because there is absolutely no evidence to back this. Cheers. +1000

No it doesnt, because Somaliland isnt even taking part.

It boggles the mind that u people think support for secession is mutually exclusive with having goodwill and high hopes for Somalias recovery. So according to this warped and essentialist logic all supporters of secession want Somalia to fail, and all Somalilanders who want it to succeed are open or closet unions. Smdh.

Safferz;945670 wrote: Okie. Let's suspend all logic and knowledge of political economies of slaving/slavery and its historiography to say Somalis were the one ethnic group untouched by the Red Sea and Indian Ocean slave trades. Loool, walaalo it may seem highly unlikely to u but at the end of the day it's upon the claimant to bring proof, which u haven't done yet. It's intellectually dishonest to assume that we must have been slaves just because those around us were.

I disagree completely. Nothing you wrote above even comes close to proving your claim, which I believe is nothing but ahistorical speculation. I don't know what your motivations are; maybe it's to authenticate our Africanness to other Africans through a narrative of shared historical experiences. Yes, Somaliland and southern Somalia were integral parts of the East African slave trade, so much so that the decline of the ancient port city of zeila is largely attributed to it's demise. But whether in Somaliland or in Somalia it was the enthic Somalis, along with Arabs, enslaving their habashi/oromo/bantu neighbours. This is historical fact. So im still waiting on u to show me unequivocal proof, beyond a flimsy and intellectually lazy assertion that we can confidently assume that Somali captives were subsumed under the broad classification of 'Abyssinian slaves'.

Safferz;945516 wrote: Of course Somalis were. No one escaped it. Lol. Show me the proof.

Enslaved woman in Iran, 1714 - People from Ethiopia, Nubia (Northern Sudan/Southern Egypt) and Somalia; and the East Africans having transited through Zanzibar and other ports of the Swahili Coast were brought to Iran, along with captives from Turkey, Georgia, Armenia and the Caucasus (Russia). Ethiopian and Nubian females were mostly employed as concubines and confidantes in harems and could reach key positions. Females from the Swahili Coast often performed domestic work. Do u believe Somalis were enslaved?

Blackflash;945442 wrote: Are you inferring that Brampton having the most significant West-Indies population of any Canadian municipality is the reason behind the crime trends? Guilty as charged loool

AfricaOwn;945441 wrote: You hardly see any white cops around upper Manhattan to all the way to the 167th street in the Bronx. It's black and Latino cops "racial profiling" African American men apparently. This has always been a tactic employed by the dominant power structure. It's akin to the ethiopians use of liyuu booliis in kilinka. A soldier/cop outside the power framework will work tens times as hard and be ten times as brutal to his own people to please his masters, who smugly look on from afar.

Blackflash;945437 wrote: Nope. Brampton has by far the highest petty crime rates out of any city in the GTA. Also, the neighborhood I live in has 6-7 shootings in an average year with 2-3 resulting in deaths. Heck, my little brother and several dozen teens had to witness a homicide at the rec centre two years ago. Don't let the relative low crime rate of Peel region fool you. I'll look for an article I read in the past which had the disaggregated crime rates all 3 Peel Municipalities. If I remember correctly, Brampton accounted for a disproportionate amount of crime in the region. And u do know y right?

SomaliPhilosopher;945433 wrote: Chimera you remind me of Friedrich's Wanderer above the Sea of Fog painting. Similar to the man depicted in the painting, you strike me as a man who stands upon a mountain, elevated if you will, which explains your utopian outlook. Your position from the mountain allows you to view life from afar, distanced. Close enough to see the beauty of a cougars face but far enough to not notice the wrinkles. Most importantly what elevates you to this mountain is your egocentrism exempli gratia "those thugs vs little old respectful me". iska xishod ninyahow. humble yourself. Lmao!!!

DoctorKenney;945422 wrote: Wadani, yours is an extreme example. But in certain sections of NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta and Los Angeles, would you support stops & frisks? I mean, these are the type of men who make entire sections of a city a no-go zone . It's disgraceful, we shouldn't be living like this. I understand where ur coming from, but without addressing the root causes these band aid solutions will fix nothing, and may even exacerbate the crime problem as the young black men begin to rage out against society even more in their indignation.