Mad_Mullah;956474 wrote: Two of the major tribes only came along after Islam. I can't believe people really believe this.

Does anyone else find his son Jaden to be extremely annoying?

Che -Guevara;955677 wrote: Warsamaale. Some of the most hateful people I know come from these two communities and their views of other Somalis the south in particular pushes the limits of decency.It is not the politics of other Somalis that they pick on but it's the people themselves. So to portray these people as victims is to absolve of them of the role in this debacle that's of Somalis. They dish out as much as others do. Others pick more on their politics, these mostly pick others on their very being. Just look comments on the Somali Presidents, more often than not, it's not his actions that are being condemned or discussed, it's his tribal background that's automatically interjected into the discussion, this is followed by insults against his tribe which the admins seem to be tolerate these days, and this Hag and that Hag. And by the way, any Somali discussion forum including SOL, who is fanning the hatred, just look here, most of them individuals who preach hate claim to be from Somaliland and Puntland, I don't wanna name names but just look who posts most topics insulting others and promoting hate, and there are like in every forum. Che I agree with u that we also dish out our fair share of hate, and which like u said isn't always political in nature, but much more pernicious.

DoctorKenney ayaa hadalkii dhamayay. Kudos.

Che -Guevara;955656 wrote: Right, everyday person in the South struggling with life in the South has time indulge your sense of superiority hahaha So r u claiming I haven't experienced what I have experienced? All Somali clans have the propensity for envy. MJ's and SNMers included. Heck look how these two hate on each other day in and day out on this very forum. But my point was, when u read the comments sections on news sites and on youtube, these two bare the brunt of the vitriolic tirades by Somalis. Some of it is justified...people unhappy about Somalilands seccession, and people unhappy about Puntlands reliance on neighbouring countries to further their own interests (ethiopian invasion plus current Jubbaland/Kenya debacle). But, I get a sense that a lot of it also stems from envy (more so in Somalilands case)...which like I said we are all guilty of.

Haatu;955605 wrote: Wadani, you made a comment, I gave you my opinion of it. You know what you said and what it entails. It's sad the Somali disease has afflicted you too but who am I to complain. Regards, Haatu. Ur not as bright as I thought.

Haatu;955598 wrote: What you said earlier included another group as well. But if I was trying to prove the supreriority of my clan, y woud I inculde another one? Defeats the purpose doesn't it?

Haatu;955585 wrote: As for wadani, his sheeko is clan-supremacy and an imagined superiority. But i'm not MJ nor from Puntland.

Safferz;955574 wrote: But is it really a Somali think tank though? It seems to be full of cadaan researchers and academics . I'm also really curious about where they get their funding. I didn't know that. I thought it was comprised mainly of Somali academics. I know the main face of the group is Abdi Aynte, the Somali-American journalist who worked for Al-jazeera.

Think tank by HAG for HAG interests..that's how they r viewed by some. Not me though. I like the idea of Somalia having a think tank that can potentially set the agenda for public policy.

Safferz;955566 wrote: What do you guys know about this group ? Where did they come from and who funds them? What do Somalis think of them? And why did they choose a name so similar to the awful US-based Heritage Foundation ? D/P

Haatu;955551 wrote: Inanillahi... What r u disputing? They they, and the clans who live in their regions, are doing the best in terms of development? Or that they r the most hated? The first is an objective fact for now at least, but can soon change with the fast pace of development currently taking place in the south. The second is open for discussion, but ur response would still be uncalled for since I was only relating my own personal experiences.

warsamaale;955543 wrote: How are they an obstacle to peace ?? are these guys fighting and causing anarchy, choose your words correctly waryaa. somalia still has lingering clan mistrust and unless that is not handled through a proper and real reconciliation, don't expect puntland to hold hands with HAG administration and sing kumbaya,, instead of the reflex MJ hate most somalis peddle . In my years of perusing Somali news wbsites, forums and talking to nomads in real life it's clear that MJ's and SNMers are the two most hated clans. Is it a coincidence that they also happen to be the two most successful clans in almost every indiciator of development? Somalis have a serious issue with envy and xaasidnimo which we need to address before we can move forward.

Good stuff as usual.

Safferz;954621 wrote: I need to get writing. Please do. Teach them what the Aidid siblings r made of. And Chimera makes a good point, where r the prominent Somali Canadians? I can't believe K'naan hasn't spoken out. If he doesn't play his part in this I'll lose respect for the fella.

Amazing!

Im more upset now after reading this bullshit from the Star than I was before. If I wasn't already thoroughly disillusioned with the myth of multiculturalism, integration and tolerance I would be mind boggled by this piece. Racist original article, followed by an ironically racist apology, from a racist newspaper. Disgusting. Hats off to Abdi Aidid and Professor Rima.

Garnaqsi;816944 wrote: If you really think so then your grasp of the language is probably as bad as Maadeey's. I somehow misread what you wrote.

Saalax;954367 wrote: I am talking about in geographic terms. Much of the south is cursed. Ok, I can agree with that. But things are getting better alhamdulillah. Once the Kismayo issue is resolved we can officially turn over a new page, and the progress will be swift.

Saalax;954362 wrote: Don't lump the entire Somali ethnic together. Djibouti,Somaliland and Puntland are doing well. The curse is Mogadishu. If u are talking geographically then yes, but if ur using these regions as euphemisms for clan names then what ur saying is simply not true. Which clan are the main leaders of al-shabaab from? What is the clan composition of it's foot soldiers? What clan was the president who allowed Ethiopia to invade Somalia in 2006? What region, mainly inhabited by his own clan, supported this action? What is the clan of those fighting for hegemony over Kismayo? It's easy to blame HAG for all the problems in the south, but that is simply a cheap and simplimsitic cop-out.

Safferz;954005 wrote: Exactly the issue and what's at stake here. I'm interested to see how the Toronto Star addresses this. So am I.

Alpha Blondy;954001 wrote: ^ oi homework boy! she wants the 'bad-boy' aka 'the jock' ee sida uula soco......but make sure you complete her homework. ma garatey? :mad: loool, waa runtaa. That's wat all women want, whether they admit it or not.

Safferz;953753 wrote: Where can I get a copy of that? Here: http://scansom.com/product_info.php?products_id=92

Safferz;953994 wrote: You're right but I do think the Star realized that they really f*cked up here, and as responsible journalists they are going to address the social consequences of their mistake. One editorial will not solve the issue of racism facing Somalis in Canada, but I'm glad we can have this conversation on the pages of the Toronto Star, the most widely circulated paper and the one at the centre of this story in the Canadian press. This is true, ur brother has achieved something significant here. Also, another thing I didn't understand about their use of the term 'Somali dealers' surrounds the issue of citizenship. Almost all the youth from Dixon have been here since the early 90's and are Canadian citizens. If these dealers had been recent arrivals without citizenship their use of the term 'Somali', though still problematic, would make more sense. But these kids are Canadian...it's just mindboggling the levels of otherizing Somalis have to deal with. So I geuss in the West we are 'Somalis' when we sell crack but are ''Canadian' when we gain international acclaim (K'naan) and 'British' when we win Gold medals in the olympics (Mo Farah)....hmmm I c. It's a blatant process of selective conferment of the rights and privileges that should naturally come with citizenship.

Safferz;953988 wrote: Column will be out on Saturday, stay tuned folks. I commend ur brother for his activism...but the damage is already done. Other media outlets are also using the term 'Somali dealers'. This is Toronto, one of the most Liberal cities in the world, so these journalists and editors who are letting these articles run know full well how racist and irresponsible it is to malign the entire Somali community through association....but they just don't care anymore. It's like a 'yea we know it's wrong, but we're just sick and tired of u Somalis' type of attitude that im sensing.