Ur analysis is correct. And Puntland has no real desire to go occupy Khaatumo territories...this Taleex episode only happened because the vice president of Puntland felt like he was being sidelined in his own hometown. So you can say that Puntland also regards Khaatumo as part and parcel of Somaliland. Somaliland and Puntland heshiisyo iyo wada shaqayn hosaad ah ayaa ka dhexeeya thanks to Faroole's responsible leadership on this front. He's recognized who the big boys in the region are and he's played ball accordingly. Khaatumo is stuck between a rock and a hard place, and each year that goes by without some sort of conclusion to this affair is another year wasted for the people of this region. They should just throw their lot in with Somaliland and reap the political and economic benefits that the Somaliland administration is so eager to shower upon them.

Haatu;989217 wrote: This is what Durriyadda has been reduced to. Pathetic Xabashi lover. How about the C@gdheers favourite slogan 'Melez ayaynu wada nahay'. Waar ninyahow ur a smart guy, don't u realize by now that soomaalidu waa is ma dhaanto iyo dasheed?

Kaluun;989081 wrote: What do you have against Habeshi? Silanyo's ancestral mother was an honorable Habeshi woman. We are not only celebrating the man he is but also our heritage, our ancestry, their legacy and their seeds. "Somali" was only openly conceived in the 14th century. Aniga war kale soo wada lakin in the next topic soon Insha Allah. I will explain the connection between the word Somali, Duria Republic and Silanyo's ancestral maternal uncles. Its coming up in the next installment. Kaluunow, waa laguu hanweynyahaye cimaamaddu yaanay kaa dhicin.

Hawdian;989076 wrote: @ Kaluun - Will you please stop with the xabashi nick names . otherwise the rest is okay . Yeah, I found that strange too.

guleed_ali;988504 wrote: If a scholar issues a fatwa and he is correct then he is rewarded twice. If a scholar issues a fatwa and he is incorrect then he is rewarded once for his effort. Most Somali scholars are of the opinion that khaat is Xaram for a variety of reasons. The sentiments echoed on this forum are merely opinions of major Somali scholars. If there are other opinions you may present them but you can't disagree because it doesn't make sense or it's reasoning is sub-par. If that were the case then we would start washing the bottom of our feet rather than the top when making Wudu (as the beloved Sahabi Ali ibn Abi Talib (RA) said so) Lastly we live in a society today where people want to be identified as doing something Makrooh but not quite Xaram. Why would one put himself in a situation where he's doing something hateful but not impermissible. A great example is the one who doesn't pray, he debates that the action is not Kufr but rather Fisq. Do you really want to be between فسق وكفر rather than be an obedient servant. The fact that some scholars may differ in an opinion should put the fear of Allah in our hearts rather than give us an easy way out. That's a false analogy you've made there, because the ruling to wipe over the feet/socks is pulled directly from the Sunnah of the Prophet while the ruling on Khat is not. The ruling on khat is based on ijtihaad using qiyaas, which is perfectly fine if indeed khat is a narcotic. But no one has proven that to me yet. As for scholars who did not go as far as to deem it xaraam they include Shaikh Muqbil AUN of Damaaj and if i'm not mistaken the great Imaam Ash-shawkani AUN who was also from Yemen and both considered to be of the Salafi tradition. As for your last point I agree, it's better to leave anything in which there is doubt just to be safe.

Cadale;988498 wrote: Sxb LOL horta it aint illogical waxkasta oo la mamnuucay sabab baa ka danbeysa la iskama mamnuuco sow maadan garan let me ask you something if you know fast food harms you bal maxaa ku geynaaya ilaahi baan kugu dhaarshe? :p Hunguri iyo xaas la'aan isugu kay biiray.

magicbird;988497 wrote: Maashallah aboowe/boowe/walaal/thats all I know. Waxaa qortaa pure somali, af-somali sare ayaa qortaa, and inshallah waxaa duceenaayaa in illaahi af-somaligaaga kugu darro, and I hope you use your somali for goodness and charity. And Jzkallahu khairan, waxaa tijaabinaa inaa af-somali barto but wey igu adagtahay. And i ask allah to take care of our affairs as he's the best disposer of affairs. Inshallah I'll ask one and will iA inform u abt it. Thank you for your kind words walaal, and your Somali is pretty good too masha'Allah. And yes i'd like to hear the answer if you get an opportunity to ask. And just to set the record straight i'm not saying qaat is xalaal, I'm just saying I'm not prepared to say it's haram until I see the proof that it's like a real drug that alters ones mental state just like marijuana, heroin and cocaine. If someone has a study that can prove this then of course I will say it is haram.

Cadale;988491 wrote: Everything that harms your body is forbidden. So is fast food and processed foods haram? You must be accumulating a lot of sins every time u buy a bag of potatoe chips, with its high sodium and saturated fat content. How come you guys aren't concerned with maintaining logical consistency in your rulings? Anyways guys, lets just agree to disagree.

nuune;988490 wrote: ^^ Waryaa Wadan i, out of your touch ma ahan cilmi uma lihid, wax fahan oo ha boodin, akhri xuruufta waxa ku dhax lifaaqan, ee waa labadeena discussionkeena quran iyo hadith kuma saleysna, ninkaas kale ayaad aayada qurana iyo hadith isla heysaan, aniga iyo adiga ma ahan, that is what of out of your touch means, wax fahan, ilaa al'aankan quraan iyo hadith islama aynaan soo qaadin, seef la boodnimada jooji diinta ingtegrytigeeda ayaan ilaalinayaa dhinacna qaadkaan ilaalinayaa wax caqliga aqbali karo ma ahan, ku noqo halkaa Abti. Iga raali ahow Nuune, qalad ayaan fahmay.

magicbird;988489 wrote: Akhi , allaahu aclam to your question. But I still firmly stand by what I said that Khat is haram as Alcohol as proven by the hadiths. Bal culimada suaashaas soo waydii insha'allah. P.S. Erayga akhi waa kalmad carabi ah oo aan macno diini ah xambaarsanayn, kamana fadli badna erayada Soomaaliyeed sida walaal iyo aboowe. Waan ogahay in aanad sidaa uga jeedin balse waa muhiim in aynu adeegsanno afkeena hooyo oo aynaan ka doorbidin afqalaad. Khayr baan kuu rajaynayaa saaxiib. And you might be wondering why I'm picking on the word Akhi in particular. It's because a lot of religious Somalis use this term a lot instead of the Somali terms or the term brother if they are speaking in English. They do this with quite a few Arabic words that have Somali equivalents.

nuune;988485 wrote: I am not here to quote you verses of Quran, or Hadith even though I can quote you multiple Hadiths but that would be out of your touch , Islaweynidu waa wax foolxun, kana foolxun qaadkan aaad jihaadka kula jirtid. Dooddaaduna mid cilmiyaysan ma'aha oo caadifad ayay ku salaysan tahay.

magicbird;988484 wrote: Akhi, I know where you coming from but I repeat Qaala rasuulullah scw "kullu muskir(things that get you high/low) khamr, wa kullu muskir haram". Scholars understood this that the prophet scw was trying to be encompass all harmful drugs into one category. But this hadith doesn't address levels of severity in terms of sin, it just says they're all a sin. Let me ask u this question directly and we can end this debate with this; are u saying eating qaat carries the same amount of sin as drinking wine?

Apophis;988478 wrote: Can someone do the maths for me? What is it that u find perplexing? I quoted that Quranic verse to magicbird to warn him from accepting a ruling that has no Islamic basis just cuz some Mufti/Mullah/Shaikh said so, because it's similar to what the Jews and Christians did with their Priests and Rabbis according to the Aayah, in essence putting them in the position of Allah. I don't know y u also quoted that small excerpt from the hadith though.

magicbird;988477 wrote: Nafi' reported Ibn 'Umar as saying: I do not know this but from Allaah's Prophet (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) who said: Every intoxicant is Khamr and every Khamr is forbidden. Abu Burda reported on the authority of his father: Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam) sent me and Mu'adh to Yemen saying: Call people (to the path of righteousness) and give good tidings to the (people), and do not repel them, make things easy for them and do not make things difficult. I (Burda) said: Allaah's Messenger, give us a religious verdict about two kinds of drinks which we prepare in Yemen. One is Bit' which is prepared from honey; it is a fermented Nabidh and is strong and turns into wine, and (the second is) Mizr which is prepared from millet and barley. Thereupon, Allaah's Messenger (sallAllaahu alayhi wa sallam), who had been gifted with the most eloquent and pithy expressions, said: I forbid you from every intoxicant that keeps you away from prayer. All hadith use sahih muslim. Yes I've used the word intoxicant because that is the closest meaning to khamri, but in essence khamri means something that blurs the mind aka gets you high/low. As we all know our sisters wear khimaar (khamara (to cover)), and arabic has three letter root word for most words. Your issue is one of comprehension. I have no problem with the usage of the word intoxicant as the closest translation for the word khamr...and u dont need to go into arabic grammar, taas laga yaabe in lagaa badiyo lol. My issue is you have not proven that qaat is a drug that intoxicates and alters ones mental state...in other words you have not proven that it is khamr in the linguistic sense. If you can prove this to me ill accept that it is xaaraam, but the severity of the sin is a whole other can of worms. That's y qaat may be khamr in the linguistic sense, meaning to cover up (ones mental faculties)/intoxicate, but cannot be khamr in the sharci (legal) sense, as this definition is reserved for alcoholic beverages, which are amongst the greatest of major sins in Islam.

P.S. I have no vested interest in Qaat being deemed halaal, but like I told Nuune I do have a vested interest in maintaining the integrity of the deen and so I don't want to see this compromised by edicts based on the misuse of textual sources and weak reasoning filled with holes.

Kaluun;988467 wrote: That's where I differ. Why you so concerned about what the IC thinks or where it sees you having Shaah? Ma ilahayba reer galbeedku? I don't care if the whites see me doing deeds in Xamar, Kismayo or mixing mud clay in Baydhabo. Adeer that's my business. Waxan ku lee yahay, war whether I meddle in their affairs like yourself or not waxan kala nahay laba wadan. That mentality is wrong that if West sees you playing role in Konfur they will think your part of the game or onboard with their agenda. Waxba iga ma galin. If I can get 20 pro-SL 'MPs' into Mogadishu parliament I would be a happy man maxa iga galay. Next I would ask them to secretly stamp my papers for aid, military (as the stable part of "Somalia"), development. Markan hormar ku gadho maxa iga galay hadan shatiga Konfur, kan South Sudan iyo kan undercover uu xidhay. End of the day its about politics not about ya lagugu sawiirin. That's the mentality high school girls play with yo-yo boys. I'm gonna get the job done si kastaba. Recognizing the likes of Southwest State and extending them an invitation is a great play card. Even when your not recognized you have to talk, walk and do business like one and play big ball with the big regional boys. Why Ethiopia and Kenya scavenging over Somalia? Why not take your piece? Kaluun u bring a needed fresh and unique perspective to the forum. And I agree Somaliland's isolationist policies aren't working, even though Kulmiye has done a somewhat better job of opening up than the previous UDUB administration of Riyaale, which had a no engagement policy with the south.

Xaaji Xunjuf;988465 wrote: If somaliland was seperate in the eyes of the world than i would not mind having fingers in the affairs of somalia. But we cannot afford to mix our selves with the koonfurians its goood to build friendship down south. But your right ano ethnic afro hashimate had most of the reer may may under alshabaab, its not hard to support them, its not bad to empower the minorities in somalia . The reer may may aren't a minority, but this largely sedentary and peaceful community has been politically marginalized by the aggressive and expantionist pastoralist clans from northern and central Somalia. But things are changing now oo laga baray laga badi ayay sheekadii isku badashay lol.

magicbird;988460 wrote: O you who have believed, indeed, intoxicants , gambling, [sacrificing on] stone alters [to other than Allah ], and divining arrows are but defilement from the work of Satan, so avoid it that you may be successful. [5:90] Al Khamri - arabic > literally means ''The covering'' , or ''The veil'' , and in reference to wine a person's mental facillties are blurred, covered or veiled. So all intoxicants are included in this eg cigarettes, shisha and khat. And what you said about fast food and other things, yes, under Israaf it'd be haram to eat too much fast food. And yes khat is an intoxicant. So now even smokers are just like drunks? May Allah guide you because wallahi u r very misguided. And still you have not proven that Khat is an intoxicant and is not just a stimulant just like strong coffee, and proving this is the only Islamically justifiable way to make the claim that it's xaaraam. And as for your point about fast food u've moved the goal post because I wasn't talking about israaf and over consumption (nor are those who forbid qat for health reasons), I was talking about the inconsistency in logic when qat is forbidden in and of itself due to health concerns when these same wadaads dont issue the same ruling on fast food. They have taken their rabbis and priests as lords besides Allah, and the Messiah, son of Mary, although they were commanded to worship no one except the One Allah. There is no Deity but He, glory be to Him above what they associate with Him! (9:31) And do not say, concerning the falsehood which your tongues utter, 'This is halal and that is haram,' in order to fabricate a lie against Allah; assuredly those who fabricate a lie against Allah will not prosper. (16:116)

nuune;988458 wrote: Yaa Wadani, maxaad la qeylineysaa Waxaan la qaylinayaa diinta ayaan ka ilaalinayaa in lagu been abuurto. Balwadna nin noocyadiisa kala duwan oo dhan ka nadiif ah ayaan ahay alxamdulillaah.

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magicbird;988450 wrote: Assalamu alaykum, What is the ruling on eating qat, and on not praying ‘Asr on time with the congregation and praying it half an hour before Maghrib?. Praise be to Allaah. Eating qat is haraam, because it makes people listless and distracts them from remembering Allaah and from praying. It is not permissible to delay the prayer from its proper time or to fail to pray in congregation. These are evil actions which result from eating qat, and they are all haraam actions. Hence eating qat is emphatically forbidden. And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon his family and companions. From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 22/175. Islam Q&A This is a nonsense fatwa, because any enjoyable thing in this world has the potential to distract one from the remembrance of Allah. Just look at the example of Prophet Sulayman calayhi salaam when he became so preoccupied with his horses that he missed the midday prayer. With the logic employed in the above fatwa horses should be haraam, so should socializing, video games, sports etc. It's the responsibility of the person to enjoy these things in moderation, and these scholars have no right to deem something xaaraam on such a flimsy basis. And my initial outrage to your original post wasn't due to the fact that you said qaat was xaaraam, it was because u likened it to khamri the ummul-fawaaxish. That to you a qaat user and a person who drinks are the shame shows how shallow your understanding of the deen really is. As for qaat being xaaraam there is a difference of opinion on this even amongst Salafi/Wahhabi scholars, though the majority of them take the position that it's forbidden. I am still not totally convinced of this view because from what I understand qaat is just a very strong stimulant like having a couple of cups of strong coffee and nothing like real drugs that lead to altered mental states that affect judgement and cognition. As for the arguments that say it's xaaraam because its unhealthy, well so is fast food...so are we gonna say fast food is xaaraam?

Haatu;988347 wrote: So basically all the Landers on this site barring the Arap DOC and the Monkeys Alpha and Carafaat are Garxaajis? Most are but Jacayl Baro is Arap, Ibtisaam is H.J. and so are N.O.R.F ad Ngonge.

magicbird;988271 wrote: Khat should be completely banned, it has made all Somali men lazy and useless, and its haram the same way alcohol is haram . What???? Are you prepared to stand before Allah and say this? What proof do u have to make such a bold statement? Kulahaa qaat is just like khamri, acuudu-billaahi-minashaydaani-rajiim.

Safferz;988312 wrote: Haha no, they're talking about subclans... Gadweyn is the nickname for HY's Muse Ismail branch, SY is Sacad Yonis I believe, another HY branch. Khatar!!

Classified;988296 wrote: I never said she was not a Muslim. I simply said we don't know whether she was a Muslim or not. I can't say for sure she was Mulism and I can't say for sure she was not a Muslim. I'm just gonna ignore your cold blooded callousness and try to entertain ur nonsensical reasoning here. How does being at a party make you question whether she's Muslim? Since when is the deen of a fellow Somali questioned in the first place unless they openly come out with their kufr? And why do I have the feeling your opinion of her deeni status would be different if she were a guy? I doubt a picture of a Somali guy at some party would set of alarm bells of gaalnimo in your head.