warsamaale;963323 wrote: ABRAHAM was a jew and thus his correct name would be Avram. to the poster, you can be original and authentic by naming somali names. Abraham was neither a Jew nor an Arab, but was the progenitor of both.

Rahima;963215 wrote: Xiin, I regularly reassess myself and despite being many things, one thing i am certain of is that i couldn't give a rats behind about qabiil (certainly not as viewed by Somalis). As for my supposed inherent bias, I'm still not sure that i follow your logic. Like i said, many of those i share a qabiil with (that I've met) support the current interpretation of Federalism in Somalia, but of course like you and many others in the politics section they only do so when it benefits their qabiil interests. If they object to Federal states other than their own, again as many of you in the politics section do, they are really objecting to what they perceive as the advancement of the 'enemy' qabiil. Same Same. I don't oppose any specific qabiil states, i oppose them all so I'm not sure how you can misconstrue that as a bias? Anyhow, i limit my participation in the politics section because of these back and forth useless discussions. At this moment in our history, Somalis are sick and many of you in the politics section are adding to our illness. It would be nice if all of you grown men sought some help since you are polluting many young minds who read this forum. Let me know how you go with your reassessment and if you need help trawling the archives to pull out some qabiilist gems- I'm happy to help after the wedding. +1000

Xiin, I'd rather have a weakened shabaab that has splintered into various factions, than a relatively strong and united one. Negotiations with the government would have resulted in differences between them anyway, so much better that the process is expedited.

Coofle erayadan ii qeex: qoonsi silloon Differences between agaasim, abaabul iyo qabanqaabin

Y not? Besides the inevitable civilian toll, I see no other downside to having these troglodytes wipe each other out.

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Actually, it seems I may have been the one who misread ur post. Ur wondering wether it's ok to nams ones child with the Western rendition of names in the Bible/Quran. Eg. David vs Daauud. I'd just stick with the Quranic form personally, lest I be perceived as a self-hating immigrant who is over-eager to assimilate.

somalee;963023 wrote: Been wondering if naming your child David, Abraham, Moses etc is prohibited in Islam. Abraham is the English version and Ibrahim the Arabic one, but the real name of the prophet was neither Abraham nor Ibrahim. Similarly naming a child Guled or Geedi is only Somali and not Islamic. Since we are not Arabs, I might as well name him Joshua (Josh). Its not different than naming a Somali child Sacuud, Jamal etc. Unless of course there's clear proof in the Quran or the traditions of the prophet (Pbuh) that prohibit English/western/biblical names. Are there? Seems most here didn't understand your post. U are right that if one isn't going for an original Somali name or a name with religious significance, then there is no difference whether someone names his son 'Tyler' or 'Sacuud'. They are both foreign names to Somalis in both a cultural and religious sense. That's why I dislike the usage of non-Somali names unless they have a religious significance eg, names of Allah, Prophets and extremely important figures in Islamic history (like the Khulafaa ar-raashidiin).

Nacuudu-billaahi min LayZie G. wa min mithlihaa.

Chimera;961433 wrote: Put the "natural leaders of society" bit to aside for a moment, I care not for such a discussion. The configuration that makes up Somali society is flawed, and heavily biased towards men, do you agree? If yes, then changing this flaw should not be the cause of alarm, or knee-jerk reactions of imminent "radical feminism". You should give Somali women more credit, the likes of Ayaan are the exception not the rule. It's hard to put it aside, as it's central to this discussion. But yes, I do agree that Somali society is biased towards in men in certain ways. And I have no qualms in addressing these issues or 'flaws'.

Chimera;961429 wrote: The fact that we have the power to deny them all of that is the issue. Only in a scenario where women can impose the same ideals of what their menfolk should be like, and instead of emulating [ - insert Western/Eastern import - ], then you have a fair case. However, what we have now is us men discussing how women should dress, how they should talk, how they should behave and actually enforcing this through the cloak of society, and traditional gender roles, or fears of what they might become. Yet we adopt any philosophy, culture and dress-code we please, and never ask the opinion of the other 50+ % of this so-called society. When you then say, but I'm perfectly okay with women going to school, eating cake, breathing air, you're being condescending, even if not on purpose That is not equality, its pity. The day we have lost the ability to deny them these rights, is the day those rights are actually owned by them. Ur arguing on the premise that men and women are equal and that men aren't the natural leaders of society, so I disagree on that basis.

Reeyo;961374 wrote: I am a little disappointed at your limited understanding of the topic Wadani and using this tactic to gain what? As for men fearing professional women because they will metaphorically castrate their masculinity- I am afraid I am dumbfound. A lot of you are confusing the issues of social rights and equality to gender roles, especially domestically. As already mentioned there is a natural order and determined gender roles for both genders. No-one is asking that one fills the other's shoes or this be distorted. This topic was a basic open discussion on why Somali culture promotes the inferiority of our girls. It's happens in everyone of our households, and it's not acceptable. This shameful outcry or panic about radical feminism is just disguising a serious problem here. Be men and face it. Men don't fear professional women because they are professionals. They fear (ur term not mine. I prefer unattracted to) what many of them have become. Women who want to literally and figuratively wear the pants. But I see that ur understanding of feminism and mine are radically different. Ofcourse feminism calls for toppling traditional gender roles on its head. But since u have no problem with the natural order of things then I have zero disagreements with u. Should women get an excellent education? Yes. Should they be able to work and vote? Yes. Should they have equal access to all state services? Yes. Yes to these and to a plethora of other rights...no man in his right mind would deny half the population their rights. We just don't want the horrible excesses of the west in the name of gender equality being exported to Somalia. That's all.

Do women deserve their God given and natural rights such as most of those mentioned above by others? Ofcourse they do. But should the natural order of of things among Somalis be turned on it's head to mimic the athiestic and morally bankrupt feminist social experiment of the West? Hell no, unless we want rampant teen pregnancies, divorce rates above 70%, men reduced to boys due to loss of agency, and professional women in their 30's and 40's looking for marriage without any luck as men refuse to be castrated by masculinized women already well past their prime, who did as they pleased with who ever they pleased during their 20's thanks to sexual liberation. These are just some of the effects of western feminism. So be careful what u people wish for. Reeyo, by equal do u mean there are no physical, mental and emotional differences between men and women? Because that's how I understand the term equal, hence my reservations.

Reeyo;960805 wrote: You know what's truly sad and absolutely impossible to figure out. Somali women are by far the main orchestrates of this oppression. They nurture and breed this oppressive culture at such imperishable way. I find myself at odds and waging regular battles with my aunts and female relatives about my rights as a woman and my liberal believes of equality . And most times you've got to just bow down to show respect and honor and accept these cultural expectations. Equal how? and in what ways? Throwing around the amorphous term 'equal' without backing it up with concrete observable and emprically verifiable facts is meaningless.

Illyria;960782 wrote: And the honeymoon period is over so soon. Now he is told he overstayed his visit and it is time to pack up and leave. What was that old saying "Kabash kabashta hore, dhabana hays baa ka dambayn". What have u heard?

Haatu;960668 wrote: Please don't. I'll tell you why: 1- Firstly, I detest Soomaalida afafka qalaad qaayo iney leeyihiin mooddey. 2- This library will serve who? Foreign NGO types that speak English or Somalis that speak Somali? So why do you want the title to be in English? Do you feel that your language is inferior and that English is superior? 3- You can be a good role model for all the fools out there by showing that a Somali sign is just as good as an English sign. So, I kindly request you to have the sign written in Somali and pure Somali at that two (i.e. no loanwords). If you can't find the Somali word for library, go ask one of the linguistic professors to make one. +1

Mad_Mullah;960544 wrote: Stopped reading at 'Arab Religion' saxib, don't come here and go back to World Star Hip Hop. huh? Bro hadaadan af ingriisi garanayn maxaa af soomaali kuu diiday?"

Apo iyo Haatu, wallee in aad C@g.dheer tihiin. Hats to off to u. lool.

Apo, nimankan naga qabo please. I thought it was the somali women we had to be worried about, but who knew there so many white knights waiting to take up the cause.

Mad_Mullah;960342 wrote: They can't be Landers, Landers were working with The British and they were proud of it. Lool. Allow nimaan waxba ogayn ha cadaabin.

Che -Guevara;960057 wrote: ^You were easily disarmed by the Mad Mullah:D Im not motivated by ego.

I agree with both ur posts above.

Mad_Mullah;959995 wrote: Obsession? You're probably one of those Faraxs that can't wait for their kids to appear on World Star Hip Hop to prove how 'westernized' we've become. My father spend more than a decade in The Middle East, so did I. It's like saying London Malis are obsessed with UK/Canada etc. U fail to realize ur talking to one of the most socially conservative people on this forum. Worldstar kulaha, loool. I guess according to ur simplistic binary view any somali who isnt infatuated with Arabs and their culture is thoroughly westernized. No where does it occur to u that we have our own distinct islamo-somali culture.

Mad_Mullah;959968 wrote: Yeah, I heard good things about Mombasa. Plus the city looks wonderful, maybe this thread is a bit biased because I know Arabic and would be easier for me to settle in an Arabic speaking country rather than a Swahili/English one. I have long noted ur obsession with Arabs. It's pathetic really.

warsamaale;959671 wrote: its not about cowardice but etiquette and urbanity, only 3rd world refugees mill about town night and day instead of being in their homes. i was in Asia and the visual presence of Africans esp Somalis was something that took me back, as expected the locals grew tired of their behavior and one or two were roughed up, one even was in coma, taxis refused to pick them up, shopkeepers showed them attitude, am sure its the same in canada, uk or where else these dukaafad migrate doesn't matter. Whoa. Self-hatred on steroids right here. Unfortunately ur kind is growing exponentially among Somalis. U've made ur decision, just don't try and partake in the spioils once we get back on our feet u low life sellout.