RedSea;978062 wrote: ^ This guy. I agree. And that is exactly what we need. Yeah no doubt. It's funny how u went from making takfiir on me to agreeing with me all within a span of a few back and forth posts lool. Seef la bood baad tahay ninyahow lol.

RedSea;978060 wrote: And I'm saying implementation of Islamic will and has changed nature of man for the better. Perhaps you should go back and read the example I gave about the Arabian tribes and their Pre Islamic condition and how Islam completely transformed them. If you memerize the Qur'an, you must not understand it too well. Otherwise you would know that Allah wouldn't have send it down in the first place if it wasn't meant to change the conditions of mankind. Learn the difference between condition of man/society and the nature of man. And ur the one who needs to revisit the history of the early Muslims. The Aws and Khazraj almost had a skirmish in front of the Prophet (PBUH) himself after one sinister individual reminded them of their past fueds. Islam was sent as a means to salvation and also as a set of laws around which society should be organized. But it was not sent to, nor can it, change the immutable nature of man as created by God himself.

RedSea;978054 wrote: To be Muslim doesn't just stop at the Masjid. It's a way of life. Saying I'm a Muslim yet arguing against the proposal of Islamic law doesn't make a whole a lot sense to me. Lol. Bizzarre, just bizzarre. I'm actually pro Islamic law. Ur quoting me ayahs from a book ive almost memorized in its entirety like im sort of gaal, it's laughable wallahi. If ur simple mind can't comprehend that implementation of Islamic will not change the nature of man, then thats ur problem, but don't go around patronizing others who would probably school u in all the branches of Islamic knowledge.

kickz;978046 wrote: What a contradiction In ur simple mind yes. U've miscontrued my criticism of human nature as an attack on Islam. Smh. Bro, u don't have a monopoly on Islaamnimo ee nagala fadhiiso with your zealousness. I was born Muslim and I will die a Muslim (insha'Allah), just like all my forefathers before me.

RedSea;978040 wrote: Hello brother Xiinfaniin. The idea of United Muslim states with Qur'an and Sunnah as their laws of governance appeals to me more than the concept of secular Somaliwayn. If we can get Somalis to unite around Islamic laws, then I'd support that as well. But as of today, I have hard time believing that secular Somali Government can effectively govern and do justice between Somali clans, only Islam is capable of that. I have no issue with unity, but it has to be genuine unity set upon Islam. Just because Islam is the divine truth does not make it a panacea for all of societies problems, because though the religion is perfect the people are not. Let's say we have a leader who tries to rally and unite Somalis under Islam, how will that all of a sudden bury the hostility and animosity between the various clans? People only respond to two things, fear and interests. Somalis need to either be forced into submission by a iron fisted strongman (his being secular or religious being a non issue), or have a just leader who can appeal to their interests by offering each clan and region their fair share of the political and economic pie. The root cause of our predicament is economic in nature, because it's nothing more than a myriad of clans fighting over finite resources. Look at the Arabs...they've only recently evolved past tribal blood fueds after the discovery of oil and the subsequent explosion of wealth in the region. Islam is the truth, but however potent it's appeal humans are not spritual enough on a collective level to let it reign in their avaricious and selfish nature, which forms the basis for Somali clannism.

While supporting the New Deal process and welcoming of the donors’ engagement, Somaliland has chosen not to participate in the Conference as the country’s national needs and priorities are very different to Somalia’s, writes Mohamed Behi Yonis. Mohamed Behi Yonis is Minister of Foreign Affairs & International Cooperation, Republic of Somaliland. Despite facing many pressing problems, both in Europe and elsewhere, it is encouraging to see that EU leaders are going to focus on my region today, in a Conference – the New Deal for Somalia, that will sanction a clear and improved framework for international donors’ engagement with the Somali people. The Horn of Africa has for a long time been seen as one of the world’s most troubled regions. It has been defined on the front pages of Europe’s newspapers by conflict, repression, famine, terrorism and piracy. Thanks to international support, Somalia has made important progress since 2012 but it remains very fragile and in need of further assistance to achieve stability, security and good governance. To that end, Catherine Ashton, High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs, and Herman Van Rompuy, President of the European Council, will gather in Brussels with a number of donors and beneficiaries. Somaliland whole-heartedly welcomes the New Deal for Fragile States process, inaugurated in Busan in 2011 by a group of donors and post-conflict countries, as it offers a more effective mechanism to deliver development assistance to our country. However, while supporting the New Deal process and welcoming of the donors’ engagement, we have chosen not to participate in the Conference. Somaliland and Somalia find themselves at two very different stages of development, and we therefore feel that our presence at this particular Conference, co-hosted by Somalia, would not be appropriate. We Somalilanders have governed ourselves in conditions of peace and stability for the last 22 years, and our country is at the “transformative” stage of development, whereas Somalia has yet to recover from more than two decades of civil war and much of its territory remains outside government control. Somaliland’s national needs and priorities are very different to Somalia’s. This does not mean that we do not wish to engage with the EU —Somaliland is extremely grateful to the EU for its strong support and friendship across a whole range of important issues. And it does not mean that we are not willing to speak and cooperate with Somalia. In 2012 the international community agreed to support a Dialogue between Somaliland and Somalia and we held three rounds of talks so far. The objective is to clarity our future relationship and in the short-term we hope to cooperate on issues like security and trade. Somaliland declared its independence from Somalia in 1991, after a civil war in which 50,000 Somalilanders were killed, and our capital, Hargeisa, was reduced to rubble by bombs. That independence was strongly endorsed by a referendum in 2001, and by the results of 5 democratic nation-wide elections held since that time. We have built a separate state, which meets in full the criteria of customary international law for statehood, and which our peaceful and hard-working citizens are proud of. We will not cooperate in attempts to rebuild the former unified state of Somalia, if it purports to include Somaliland. Nor can we cooperate in any effort to use aid as a lever to force Somaliland to become part of Somalia. In line with our support for the New Deal process, the Somaliland Government and civil society have together adopted a document based on New Deal principles, the Somaliland Special Arrangement (SSA). This is fully compatible with our National Development Plan, and therefore reflects our own priorities. Our intention is that the SSA will form a distinct and separate component of the broader Somali New Deal Compact, facilitating coordination between the donor community and Somaliland at the level of both government and civil society. The Federal Government of Somalia has had no input into this document. We wish to settle our differences with Somalia peacefully and without outside pressure. It is in our interests to see Somalia recover its former stability, provided that it does not compromise our own stability, nor our people’s desire for Somaliland to be recognised as an independent state. We support the New Deal, and hope to be able to work with the EU in the future to build not only a strong, stable and democratic Somalia, but a strong, stable, democratic and independent Somaliland too.

Khadafi;977865 wrote: If this is true it is a major shift in somali politics. Accountability for murder and mayhem is the key to peace. But why should he be punished, while others with blood on their hands just like him are rewarded with government positions and a comfortable retirement?

Tallaabo;977664 wrote: You need to learn some history lessons from your relatives who saw it all before filling these pages with garbage. I was almost killed in the bombing of Hargaysa in 1988, so u have no right to lecture me. I'm just not an emotional wreck and perpetual victim like u and ur ilk.

Mushkiladda guluwiga = Dhibaatada xagjirnimada

Hobbesian_Brute;977624 wrote: About time, multiculturalism is facing a backlash everywhere in the west. i welcome that. I welcome it in some ways too, but not for the same reasons as u.

Tallaabo;977552 wrote: NO you would not be wining(akhas) and dining in fine cafes and restaurants. No Mr naïve, if it wasn't for the SNM heroes you would be a pile of unidentified bones in a mass grave. Hmmm...lets see. Hargaysa was bombed in 1988, yet the SNM was created in 1981, not vice versa. In fact those mass graves wouldn't even exist if SNM didn't lay siege to Hargaysa and Burco in 1988.

Allyourbase;977625 wrote: Aar kani muxuu leeyahay? This is Egypt in the 70s: You cant funk with that bro. Have u seen the khaleej states in the 70's?

fdama;977548 wrote: If it wasn't for Siad Barre and his crew, and their dictatorial, tyrannical policies there would be no SNM and the like. I would rather live in a state of war fighting for my rights and freedoms than live as a third-class citizens like we did in the North. Oppression creates resistance.That is ultimately what happened. Is Africa doomed? Yes, it is. Not only because of tyrannical regimes, but because of an unenterprising people that cannot sniff out an opportunity when they see one. I mean, how many times have you seen Africans running big successful corporations in Africa? Hardly. Its always foreigners - particularly, the whites, the Indians and other Asians and Arabs. Even basic operations like running a Safari, are not managed by Black Africans. You see that every time you watch the wildlife shows on TV. Its always a White tour guide and dumb Bantus driving and doing the labour. Today, you cannot compare the economies of South Korea and Kenya. If you look at the historical statistics, at the time of independence, Kenya had a higher GDP than S. Korea. Today, S.Korea is wealthier than many, if not most Sub-Saharan economies combined. We can't even get cuisine right! When is the last time you saw a top Nigerian or Senegalese or Angolan restaurant in your city? Or when was the last time you heard anyone speak positively about African food? I don't blame them. Seriously, who can get exited about fufu, Ugali and Jollof rice? Yuck! Somali food is no exception either. I mean its just a mish-mash of Arabic, Italian, Indian and African foods. Nothing really authentically Somali. So why did I bring up cuisine? Well, it has the capability of elevating a nation or a whole continent. Look at what Thai food did for Thailand and Italian food for Italy. It also brings in the dollars. Another lost opportunity. What a way to make your SOL debut. Let me just start by asking you a simple question? Did siyaad's tyranny and oppression of the Isa@q clan precede the creation of the SNM or did he begin his crackdowns after this rebel group, working for Ethiopian interests, came into being? And as for including the proud and enterprising Somalis in your mostly accurate tirade against Africans, u either don't know much about Somalis or your confusing their regrettable, but temporary, current state of affairs precipitated by the collapse of the Somali gov, as a reflection of the abiding character of the Somali people, which I guarantee will shock the world if we manage to get real governance in place.

Alpha Blondy;977469 wrote: if it wasn't for the SNM, i wouldn't be here, today. the same SNM......your little laan-gaab ehlu naar clan were mysteriously in lower numbers............. but who today outnumber most in the mujaahid accolades. y'all are pathetic. if i were up to me, i'd xasuuq y'all one by one. STFU you sand-dwelling piece of human excrement. this thread is gonna delete......so feel free to insult me back. you dishonorable pig. Listen u daanyeer, I give u 24 hours to evacuate Hargaysa, the seat of the Sand-dweller sultanate for the past two centuries, u fish-eating Jesus-Moses maryoalool laangaab.

Alpha Blondy;977463 wrote: STOP using big wordy words on me. i'm an African. you Abti Tom sell-out negroid. I'm the furthest thing from an uncle tom, and u know that. It's just that i'm a realist and I don't think it's befitting of my dignity as a Sand-dweller Somali Muslim to complain day in and day out about human beings just like me, when instead I should be working towards beating them at their own game. Complaining about racism from whites and arabs is a slippery slope that leads to self-hate. We have to remember, people aren't racist to black skin, but it's what it represents that stirs up the prejudice in others. As Somalis we can set ourselves apart by being true to our proud nomadic values, minus the clannism, and use that to propel us to political and economic greatness. I want to tell people "I am from somalia' with a sense of self-righteous haughtiness lool. I can't convince people that Somalis are superior (which I believe) until we can show it tangibly....and therein lies the challenge before all of us.

Alpha Blondy;977459 wrote: :D:D:D:D:D statement of the week, y'all. it tells me you're a pathetic sand-dwelling little i.door. abti, miyaad isku xishootan. some of y'all count the habro-habro skirmishes of the mid 1990s as the second civil war of SL. caadi maha dadkan, walle. waloweynta waxba ha istusin, wa la garanaya waaxa tihin eh. lool, Bro if it wasn't for SNM, SSDF and USC I wouldn't be here in the frozen tundras of Canada. Instead I would probably be a high flying politician, academic or businessman wining and dining in the fine cafes and and restuarants of Hargaysa and Xamar.

Alpha Blondy;977455 wrote: ''Until Africans have their own economists, the discourse on development shall always glorify the white imperialist dogs.'' - Alpha Blondy of SOL circa 14th of September 201 But if the situation was reversed and Africa was the world political and socio-economic hegemon, would we too not use our sempremecy to subjugate others? Why is the white man deemed evil, when all he has done is beckon to the call of winning a zero-sum evolutionary game among the races? Might is right in this world, and leftists who complain day in and day out about racism are lucky they aren't sent to plantations to resume the work of their forefathers. Either fight fire with fire and win or die trying...or just shut the eff up and be grateful for the scraps offered to you by the benovelent master.

Haatu;977447 wrote: Guys don't waste your time with this Hobbesian dude. They want to extinguish the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, although the disbelievers dislike it. Allaahu Akbar

I can see the bridge right beside my neighbourhood. Thanks Al.

Saalax;977413 wrote: Bantu countries like Rwanda, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Angola are actually more advanced than countries in the horn. This can be explained by poltiical and economic circumstances (especially for Somalia), and not by any intellectual deficiencies on the part of the natives of the Horn.

Haatu;977411 wrote: What the hell. Inaar malaha waad isku buuday What the hell does this mean? Are you calling me a laangaab? haha...markabull iyo laangaabnimo kala dheer. . Also, my gobbledygook above was actually calling u intelligent, but that it's not wise to use yourself as an example when ur not representative of Africans in general since your only one person.

Haatu;977391 wrote: I am not poor, neither am I rich. I am not unintelligent, in fact every classroom I have ever walked into, I went in with the belief I am the most gifted there. I am not hopeless as I have hope in Allah providing. But you Herr Metta, you are unintelligent as you cannot see your own potential. You are hopeless as you wallow in your own self-pity. And by God you are poor as you seem to lack the faith that Allah will provide. Haatu it's never a good idea to cite an exception to the rule when the preponderance of a thing/phenomenon is being discussed. In my estimation, the law of averages would place u towards the end of the right side of the bell curve if a representative sample of Africans was used as the population for a study. U would still place to the right of the median if the sample only included cadaans, cushites etc, but not nearly as deviated from the mean.

Mad_Mullah;977377 wrote: That's a big statement. But you'd act all disgusted if a Cadaan said that. No I wouldn't. Bro, I'm Isa@q and i'm anti-SNM...that should tell u something about me. If something is the truth then its the truth, and I won't let emotions or allegiances cloud my ability to formulate a rational opinion based on the facts.

Subsaharan Africans (excluding the Horn) have less native intelligence compared to other peoples of the world. Somalia could have even surpassed Egypt in terms of development if the war off 77 had either been won or not been waged to begin with.

Look at these two fools above me. It's a duel between between an Ajanabi-loving khaleeji wannabe and an athiest worshipper of the Occident.