Mario B;802525 wrote: Beesha Dhexe is a tribal entity too, also named as the "triangle towns republic" or the "the sovereign Republic of Slander" or the "Phantom Republic"....everytime you call "PL" a clan enclave, the expression the kettle calling the pot black comes to my mind. ok.... congratulations...thank you for sharing. :cool:

'Liibaan';802519 wrote: Khaatumo People promote Brotherhood, Peace & Unity between all somalia and all citizens of Somalia. All somali people are one people and same. Welcome to your Country Somalia Mr. Hermit. I like how you promote brotherhood in Somalia libaaan. if you cant promote brotherhood with your brother who lives in cainabo, You will never be able to promote brotherhood with anyone.

'Liibaan';802519 wrote: Khaatumo People promote Brotherhood, Peace & Unity between all somalia and all citizens of Somalia. All somali people are one people and same. Welcome to your Country Somalia Mr. Hermit. Im in my country saxib...im looking up all i see is green, white and red... everywhere in the country...i havent seen Somalia in 20 years...surely im not blind are you?

Tribal Federalism....absolute Fu***** joke... tribalism seems to be destroying the very cheerleaders of tribal federalism. chickens coming home to roost..what do you think about the rest of Somalia? acudubilah...

you guys are funny man...promote unity between us and brothers east waa dadkeeni... was iska bariga Somaliland qabyalad ba hoos u digay iyo hadal, lakin waa dadkeeni... Welcome to Somaliland libaaan, you and all your people we one and the same inshallah we pay the soldiers but work for peace not war...:cool: Salam..

These guys they talking about qaado and constitution as well and they havent passed Galkacyo i think you on the same leauge...:cool:

Carafaat;802407 wrote: Hermet, Imagine my family living in one country. And me being active in politics and representing people in another country. Do you think I or my family will be aware of the decsisions I take as Mp and thheir in pact for my family? It kind of colours your opinion. See your making an assumption similar to that of mugdusho our mp's do not work in a war zone, all MP if not the majority live there with their families its a state, why shouldnt they live there your assuming we are like somalia...different paradigm entirely therefore weak argument altogether. Just because you have a foreign passport doesnt mean you cant live in the country or your family...haha...

Carafaat;802401 wrote: Somalia, there is clearly an elite dominating politcs and business who solely interest is self enrichement and not the interest of the people. what are the interest of the people...democracy, strong governance, economic development, security etc.... what are they not fullfilling...?? it seems we taking lessons from people who really have no clue of what they are talking about.

Somalia;802390 wrote: This clearly shows that the so-called Somaliland region is not of the people on the ground, but of the diaspora. Maybe this is why they get their food stolen by politicians hahaha...once a pirate always a pirate...Somaliland MP's most of them have foreign passports, but also most of them have PHD, M.A. 's and long established careers abroad..instead of focusing on peoples passports i understand and respect the fact that they are contributing to the development of their country, with skills the country currently lacks... Somaliland mp's although most of them have foreign passports, they all live in Somaliland, they all visit their local constituents if not live with them...so in reality they are proper mp's that have foreign passports. but nice low blow...keep the cheap shoots comming as if it will effect anything.

Mario B;788455 wrote: Freedom,Yes, I do care... I don't envisage a Somalia without either Hargeisa or Mogadishu, these two are inoperable conjugal twins...if they get separated they will both end up dying!! I love you, but im gonna hate on you.."they will both end up dying".. Saxib we been thriving for 20 years...only one side been diying and inshallah they will get peace..:cool:

^^^ as sorry i feel for the guy in the bed, beating dont count as xasuuq saxib... caajiiid.

Xaaji Xunjuf;802303 wrote: How can banadir state become a clan state if the capital of Somalia is in Banadir dadkanu may walaanyihin horta saxib ilahay baa meshan naga badbadiyay walahi...alxamadulilah iska oro kana sooco...

"Ciidmada maamulka Somaliland ayaa hada ka wada Gudaha Magaalada laascaanood Xasuuq Ba’an oo lagula kacayo dadka shcabka ah ee ku dhaqan magaalada laascaanood,Dhaawacyo badan ayaa jira oo Soo gaadhay Dadka Shacabka ah sidoo kale askarta Maamulka Somaliland ayaa dhac ka wada Goobaha Ganacsi ee Degmada Laascaanood kuwaasi oo askarta Somaliland ay Gudaha U galayaan Bakhaarada ganacsi ee Magaalada Halkaasi oo Qaar kamid ah dadka gacnacsatada ah Qaarkood lagu Laayey". Typical proganda...there is only so much you can do but...anywhoooo liban enjoy your propaganda lets see how far it gets you. :cool:

^^^ liban your objective should be educating those little girls in the picture...instead of khatumo you should be educating about the world and about intellect and how she can walk from buhoodle to th djibouti border no problem...of society, community and brotherhood... ilahay Somaliland haa idin gayo walahi...Its a mutlitribal state...:cool: Ha ka hadina dadkeena, walahi you will lose out.

^^^ Leaving Somalia and Somaliland best decision EVER...... craaazzzzzzzzyyyyyyy !! Seriously...open your eyes you are the future of Somalia/ Somaliland and you all need help...qabil qabil qabil, proganda, propaganda... lets agree to disagree and move on..the reality is what is happening on the ground.. Sheriff and somalia nothing without A.U. Puntland = Hot AIR and GAS Khatumites, should join there brothers in Somaliland and develop together, we are a multiparty democracy for god sack Qabil waa laga tagay...furthermore your claim over exclusive rights to Sool is illigitimate Sool is shared i.e. Caynabo and Oog. Buhoodle is Shared, Sanag is shared. Therefore logic dictates we should work together to develop instead of destroying each other...

Somalida waa funny: this is the truth... Somalia is still in chaos... Puntland we have now realised is all talk no action..bax bax bax...that no one likes...except its sub sub sub clan residents, furthermore it control nothing except its sub sub clan residences.. "Khatumo" residents have emphasised they dont want to be part of Somaliland and Puntland, however they are still unclear on the history of Somaliland or even khatumo breif history and they argue it represents everyone in their degaans even though khatumo doesnt control anywhere etheir except central buhoodle. Somaliland argues, we were a state, we not a clan state and have 10 years of multiparty democracy and parties to prove, furthermore khatumo is part of it because they signed Somaliland indepedence in 1991..even Cali Galayd doesnt refute this, furthermore they argue they control the areas of Sool and Sanag...of which they do and its obvious not one clan is exclusive to Sool and Sanag or even Cayn but they argue that peace and negotiation in terms of development is a must. I hope philosphers become politicians and then things be more logical... You are all arguing over nothing except one party.. Puntland has nothing Somalia has nothing Khatumo has nothing Somaliland has all the cards to play at least for the moment.

Eng.Cadde;802153 wrote: Well,it means since somalis have fought along clan lines,it means giving every clan to rule its traditional degaan and making national policies after consultation with all the federal entities,as i have mentioned earlier it will come up with 8 federal entities united to form the federal republic of somaia? do you agree or disagree and on what basis ? so because we been fighting along clan lines...we going to be divided into clan lines in an attempt to find the peace that we failed to get because we fought along clan lines and this will somehow bring us peace...:confused: Acudubilah... talk about fuel fuel for the fire..

Carafaat;802154 wrote: how about land? See in the case of land, its not one person though, its many people,with winners and losers depending on economic means..therefore its sort of different entirely, but not everyone can afford the prices especially locals but this doesnt mean they cant go further out of the city, but better solutions should be examined, i still am not convinced nationalisation is the solution to any potential land problems but maybe if my circumstances were different i would have the opposite view...i think we need to look into this issue seriously to see what the best solution is for everyone long term.

Abu-Salman;802144 wrote: The Hermet, socialism economically means putting equality as the main economic goal. Of course, there are all sorts of connotations but these are irrelevant for Muslims and even Islam strongly encourage economic socialism (equality, giving up all surplus etc). We just need to ensure everyone has all the basics and the elite's spending, even when honestly and transparently earned, is put only to the service of the common good (creating jobs and safeguarding the environment). Besides, economic dirigism, nationalisations and social ownership of firms are partly adopted in the most productive, innovative and solvent big economies such as Sweden, Germany or France (though not to the same extent and consistently arguably). PS: the USSR made formidable leaps in heavy industries and defence industries production but also in terms of equality; its main major flaws economically was just that big sovkhozes farms were not as productive as their small, individual plots while customer goods were not diversified and of insufficient quantity or quality (they needed to lease farms and introduce some market incentives though consumerism is very destructive for all sorts of reasons). And they had to operate with formidable internal challenges (wide distances and diversities, climate etc). Of course, that is in the purely economic sphere even though the rest may be objectionable; but we should not take what we read or hear at face value and countries such as Cuba are cited as models in terms of equality, healthcare or education (despite very little resources or environmental damage). I agree socalism does have its benefits, we are muslims we go by what God says and God says, private enterprise with emphasis on social benefits and caring for those who can not care for themselves..and in this regard we can do better. The only charitable social projects i see are during ramadan and eid to be honoust but inshallah at this stage the country doesnt have to many resources, this is not to say companies and individuals are not charitable..saxib the poor everywhere in the country will give you their dinner while the man in europe tries to steal from you..We gotta get out of Europe saxibayal i feel another European Dark Age comming soon.

Carafaat;802140 wrote: sxb, we put money in land that is already owned by the people. I suggest we invest in water rathen then land, specially in south-hargfeysa area. but you wouldnt understand. No there i would agree with you...The South of Hargaisa saxib we get our water trasported to us in tankers in from Awr Barkhadle while the rest of Hargaisa gets nationalised water from the government pumped in from Geed Dable another reason why i dont like nationalisation. Clearly whats happening is Hargaisa is getting to big and even the local council cant keep up with it, but didnt we secure an investment from the world bank or something, 23 million to improve water infrastructure inshallah that should help the country overall improve water. There is plenty of water in the south of Hargaisa its just to dam mountainous they need better drills and the sand destroys what little the drills penetrates but awr barkadle mashallah has enough water for the whole town and its sweet and its only 4 miles from Hargaisa when you head towards Berbera so..... but i agree with you, money should be invested in water, a guy from dubai bought an investment of a few hundred thousand pounds and drills to invest and start up a water company but the government refused on the grounds that no one but the government has the right to a monopoly over something as precious as water...and given that arguement i except that because that guy would have to much power.

Carafaat;802124 wrote: i lived there 2 yrs sxb. there is no single park in that city. even ministries find it hard to obtain to build public institutions. the local admins even selling fields were kid play football. local admins is corrupted by the trade in public lands of property rights. Things change quickly...I live near The south of the town and we have a big park called masalaha and we have foot ball pitch, not far if we want to play tennis we got the tennis grounds at ambasador hotel...things change quickly. Plus no system is entirely perfect but we are making progress yearly as you can see hargaisa was rubble in 1991 today mashallah it is a metropolis only missing roads, the objective is not to have everything in one go, but to gradually increase year on year with this strategy we are bound to reach a better future...as they say "Rome wasnt built in a day"...

Carafaat;802114 wrote: The Hermet, how else do you want to build a city with parks, playgrounds. even pedestrian sidewalks are being build an claimed. most land was goverment property in the past. people only leased land. Carafaat thats called town planning. Roads are public they belong to all..government buildings are public they belong to all, parks, etc they are all public they belong to all..what i was refering to was private residencies i.e. peoples individial homes. I agree with you the government is in charge of all the above you stated...but cities across the country have local councils that deal with town planning, streets, cleaning etc. Example in Borama they have Borama city council which deals with issues in the town, cleaning, security, police, teaching etc... they deal with that exclusive, central government is just national but doesnt have any power local levels. Hargaisa is the same we have a town council headed by the mayor and he deals with town planning, roads, garbage. I get two rubbish collection days a week to my house by a dump truck that comes straight to my house better then london...and all this is control by the mayor they have election to determine the mayors of the cities and the people vote on who runs the town, even when elected every naibourhood depending on size of population has a number of seats allocated and decisions are made collectively in that council, walahi its quiet imppressive. its quiet complex walahi...i would say go there and check it out for your self book a ticket and visit it and travel up and down the country and check it out whats going on...

come on did i hear nationalised...for real...come on guys seriously...??? We are not communists for the love of God, Hargaisa has always been expensive, even in the Somalia era..it was more expensive then mugdisho this is just Hargaisa the way it has always been. Nationalisation of land is not required, the land is plenty and the number of cities anyone can live in is endless so i dont see a point of nationalisation. I do agree with you that it does put the poor at an obvious disadvantage in terms of buying villas etc.. but the average man and women do is a bit different and i noticed this. Hardly anyone doesnt have a relative abroad. so they have agreed with construction companies to build their houses in stages, i.e. they build a main room, save up build a living room, save up and continue and i think it works for them...plus the government gives land away for free in huge portions. The enitre towns of Mohammed Mooge and others were given to the people their free of charge when they return from being refugees in Ethiopia some sold it and made money others, used it to build houses. so the issue i believe is a bit more complex then it seems, nationalisation refers to government government refers to parties, Too much government is not good, let the people and market deal with it...the republican concept is the best..."the government should only do what the people can not do for themselves"....

Carafaat;802055 wrote: sxb, hargeisa land prices are dozens of time higher then Addis, Kampala, Asmara and even Nairobi. The bubble has been artificially pumped up by an overeas influx of foreign currency that has diverted investment flows from "more productive purposes. But will happen soon as there is a financial sector and banks where folks can store their savings or invest in proects/funds, dont think they will put as much in land anymore. And this in turn will create the bubble to burst. So sell your land and save your money sxb, waa talo. walahi caraafato i made a profit saxib..im in profit now..,plus although pumped up with foreign money, i agree, but even addis is, nairobi is backed by foriegn money, the diaspora pump in million daily in remmitences etc so we are dealing with different paradigm entirely..and as we know money circulates i.e. the people building the house, the aritech the suppliers they all make money hense why the somaliland shilling is stable and strong even though it is unrecognised and the people make a small living of

Che -Guevara;802056 wrote: How much of the diasporo that buy land in Hargeysa actually live there? No figures actually exist but what is known is the number has been growing year on year gradually. THe diaspora have been particularly moving back in record numbers during the past 2-3 years. most of them are families and retirees. The land that diaspora buy up is large, but knowing somali's this is given to the overall close family i.e. you buy land and the land is further divided etc... this is a big achievement considering the city of hargaisa was uninhabitable back in 1991 because the entire city of hargaisa was mined so no people could return and the people have de-mined the entire country and made it boom... This is 1991 This is 2010