Its alright...Somaliland knows the name of the game saxib...you wanna keep coming after losing every war for the past hundred years bring it on....Somaliland has a recognised territorial border...Somaliland and Somalia are two equal states under international law any negotiation will be based on this...Qabyalid is not recognised under international law..hense why half of Somali territory is in Ethiopia and Kenya has NFD...Khatumo controls NO where..and its a fact that the largest city in Sool is Cainabo and the surrounding areas around buhoodle are similar...You want a state welcome to Somaliland if you want tribal borders...Somaliland is not interested. As you can see from the above video's We destroyed your clan ventures in the past and will do so again if required.

We know what they about saxib and now the rest Somali's know what its about as well...dont be fooled by talks of nationalism and somaliweyn waa iska sheko a.k.a. bax bax......:cool:

Carafaat;800390 wrote: , somalia is more ready then you think for Somaliland. In what sense? Somalia is still technically at war and doesn't control its own territory without outside help. Its politically immature with a revolving door of a government that is unelected, it lacks monetary transparency no one knows were its money goes, it uses tribal power structures, it dreams of tribal federation (lol..acudubilah)...it has no credible army, its parliament is unelected...its entire process is flawed, the pirates up north have a criminal enterprise of racketering, human trafficing, piracy, false currency production supported at a regional level...saxib I dont share the view that Somalia is ready anytime soon.

I looked at that earlier...I think the fact that he says he cant just close the door in their faces says more then anything...it is about the role of national government, to welcome people particularly people it is claiming to represent. This and recongition as a legal mamul under a fake federal structure are totally different. The fact that it doesnt meet criteria or has not even gone through the correct channels highlights its nothing but hot air. "Baryahaan waxaa suuqa aad ugu jiray dowladdu waxay ka shaqeynaysaa inay burburiso Somaliland inay burburso Puntland taasna waxaba kama jiraan, innagu waxaan u arkaynay soo dhaweynta Qaatumo State howl gacanta Soomaaliyeed ku jirta, ujeedaduna ay tahay in dadka la wada hadashiiyo nabadna lagu wada noolaado, taasna waan kala hadalnay walaalaheen in dowladdu aysan waxba bur-burinayn balse ay wax dhisayso," ayuu yiri Shariif Sheekh. It also says alot of about Sheriff government, no structure, no common line, no nothing...waa just revolving door. khatumo doesnt control anywhere...at all...so unless shariff is going to send an army of burundians to las canod before August...it doesnt really matter.

Carafaat;800267 wrote: Federalism is funny:D walahi waa riwayad.... Somali's ...if only they did the exact opposite they would get somewhere....haha

Somalia;800183 wrote: Sxb, people reading these messages are wondering if you are .. "ok". Im wondering if you are?? No one was refering to your enclave specifically clearly the issue was about tribal borders as a collective. The slavic people can not be generalised entirely some are more closer then others...i.e. Croatians, Bosnians and Serbs are almost the exact same...they differ slightly from the slavs of Poland and Russia hence the diplomatic support...I dont see Oromo's supporting pirates in garowe...?? clearly these people are more interconnected hence why i argued they or at least the bulk of them are the exact same at least in the former Yugoslavia...even the name gives it away...YugoSLAVia.... maybe you related to Oromo's but i surely aint. and this doesnt take away from the fact that tribal borders are doomed to failure...but you guys in Somalia have mastered that art so do continue to plant the seeds of your own destruction.

I see still lacking logic still...anywhooo pirate...things about to get a whole lot interesting pirate. If you think tribal federalism is the solution then not even the slavs wiped each other out for 21 years...and as you say "they are not the same"....Good luck to your tribal federalist proposed structures, lets see how far it gets you...but young pirates i think all Somali's have seen the light and have seen you for what you are which is all the more halarious... nothing but hot air...:cool:

I think IQ was already lacking.... considering you actually see tribal borders will give somalia peace....your views or comments really dont provide any logical insight...so do continue...

I hint abit of truth serum is required, but its alright i think Somali's have cought on to your lies and the bax bax has been revealed....

2.5 Early Life & Initial Migrations of the Slavs During the years 1500 BC to 100 AD (before the great mass-migrations), the Proto-Slavs began their first minor migrations, most of it in their own Slavic cradle. It was the hostile environment of the Pripet marshes that forced the Slavs to migrate in all directions at this early stage. The experts refer to the Proto-Slavs as nomadic peasants who practised primitive forms of agriculture. They were also hunters who pursued herds of prey for months. Hunting expeditions called for tenacity and courage and the use of every possible kind of weapon or trap. As the early Slavs were agriculturalists, their migration at this stage was not one of violent conquest by warriors, but of peaceful colonization by peasants moving about with tents in family groups. The early Slavs of the Slavic cradle also had a deep sense of religion, even though it involved pagan nature worship and ritual sacrifices. Significant Czech historian and endorser of Rostafinski's work, Lubor Niederle, believed that both climate and soil, shaped civilization. Since the natural conditions of the Pripet Marshes were unfavourable, the early Slavs developed forms of social organization based on co-operation between large families (zadruga), social equality, and the democracy which curtailed any attempts at centralization of economic or political power. The harsh climate of the Pripet marshes also was responsible in forcing the Slavs into a poor level of civilization (Curta 2001, p. 9), compared to the other peoples of early Europe. If this isnt the same i dont know what is...

Somalia;800150 wrote: Actually Puntland is the one that got rid of 4.5 when the south wanted it, even Xaaji can attest to that, it was a minus for us rather than a plus. Also, the Slavic people just share a language group, they are different ethnicity not like Somalis which are the same. You don't even know the facts and you are trying to debate others, go home man, this is embarrassing. puntland got rid of 4.5 and the slavic people have the same language but are different ethnically....wooow...did i read that correctly...Similar language group but different ethnically...and puntland got rid of 4.5...even though they attest to it more then any...even though Abdullahi Yusuf and other co-horts created the fake 4.5 and continuously refer to it...and only after such hostility from the south you recently caved in the fake Garowe principles of which only your region and the burundian backed TFG are signatories of...it is you my friend who doesnt know what he is talking about...

I think it was made clear that the slavic people are one clan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples the only ethnic group that was tribally different were the albananians..who are irry clan. But the rest are all slavic...they for whatever reason have minor differences in languages but none the less are the same clan origins but divided themselves amongst states. In regards to federalism being the only solution thats false...as a siadist you probably support federalism to attain certain interests for your clan state, probably why you attend faaroole meetings instead of Somalia meetings, its probably why you are more interested in your enclave then in Somalia, its probably why you chase after 4.5 and tribal political structures. but as history shows...clan federalism is destined to fail it just adds fuel to the fire...a centralised government structure controlled by a multi party democratic system is the only way forward for Somalia.

FreshPrince;800129 wrote: ^ What heat? I'm just stating like how it is. I support the Triangle's Independence. We (Somalia) don't want the Somalidiid to be part of Somalia. Somaliland (without Khaatumo, Awdal and Makhir) can go their own way and become their own little country. In the same token, Somalia will have Somali Galbeed and NFD back. For Europe to disintegrate Somalia, they'll be forced to disintegrate Ethiopia and Kenya. miskeen: the fifth region of Ethiopia was given to Ethiopia in the original scrambles for Africa and agreement thereafter...Ethiopia was a colonial power and stated soverignty over those areas...the world excepted...it was never an independent state, the hawd region was awarded to them as well but was never independent, nethier was NFD it was always part of the colonial entity of kenya. The only independent Somali territories were Somaliland, Djibouti and Somalia...hence why Somaliland has the right to be independent... weak debate indeed...these siadist look for escape everywhere and create fictional history as well..

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http://geopolitikenergi.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/hydrocarbon_somaliland_august2006.pdf Hydrocarbon plays: The most compelling evidence that oil and gas accumulations may exist in Somaliland, as illustrated in Figs. 4-7, include: - Occurrence of oil seeps at Dagah Shabel. - Very good oil shows from several zones in most of the wells drilled including Dagah Shabel wells, Biyo Darer-1, Bandar Harshau-1, and Dab Qua-1. - Occurrence of mature oil-prone source beds with sufficient levels of organic carbon, together with potential reservoir rocks and structures in a variety of geological settings. - A number of Jurassic rift basins as well as OligoceneMiocene sedimentary basins. These include Berbera/Guban (conjugate of Balhaf basin, Yemen), Daban, Las Dureh, Raguda, Al Mado (conjugate of the Masilah basin in Yemen), and Nogal basins. - Widespread and appreciable thickness of porous and permeable reservoir rocks together with sealing rocks of Jurassic, Cretaceous, and Tertiary in age. - Evidence of structural growth during Jurassic, Cretaceous, and Tertiary times, which resulted in the formation of structural and stratigraphic traps Conclusions" The available well, seismic, and outcrop data show that the potential for commercial accumulations of hydrocarbons in Somaliland is good. These data show that the hydrocarbons may have accumulated in numerous large tilted fault-blocks and isolated sub-basins. Jurassic rift basins form the main exploration plays. Secondary exploration targets include Oligocene-Miocene rift sequence of the Gulf of Aden together with underlying pre-rift Eocene carbonates. Hence, favourable hydrocarbon plays could exist over many thousands of untested square kilometres along the entire north coast and south-east of the country at various drilling depths.

Xasan Dahir Aweys...nin iska hadla maha like these pirates..walahi the man is a strategist and a half...He is currently leading the anti-foreign struggle against Ethiopia and Kenya, his views on somaliland are for him...But never the less I support the mans struggle against Ethiopia and Kenya...

waar xaji....i looked over the the website for african oil they are conducting an evaluation and clearly stated that they dont have the capacity to sell the oil or even build the infrastructure required to sell it..i.e. ports, roads, refineries. In effect what the pirates are currently doing is exactly what Somaliland did through NGS-TOPEC instead of using sitelights and technology to see whats in the ground they digging furthermore all the pirate claim to are two oil deposits one is in Somaliland territory and the other one is small and of very little significance so waa iska cadi....Somaliland has oil pirates, in its north and off its coast not to mention the one you claiming in Sool which is like you claiming las canod...i.e. irrelevant. but unlike you no need to talk about it as of yet...you can have your one oil basin..lets see how far you get with it and exploiting it...like i said you decades away....:cool:

watch this and examine this with whats happening today and could happen with tribal borders....see how the serbs argue in the end that all states can do as they like but the serbs of those regions should be given the right to stay as part of serbia......every state rejected this request. see how the serbs always argue they acting for Yugoslavia even though they acting for serbia, see how the world says unity first and then independence in a split second......hahah it amazing how we dont learn from history...

Xaaji Xunjuf;800070 wrote: Probably the following clan states The Garowe clan enclave Galmudug Jubaland/azania Bay and bakool region Shabelle hiiraan state With Mogadishu as the federal state capital Two of them already exist Galmudug and the Garowe clan enclave bay and bakool southern western state as it will be called Jubaland is already established in the west led by a guy called Ducaale and Azania the Big foot clan state led by gandi. That said Somalia is better of with out federal states it will only create deep holes with in the Somalia society and neighboring countries will take advantage.Somalia needs a decentralized government but with a strong authority in the capital with out clan states and fictional clanish borders it will be a misfortune in the long term. I hardly doubt that we will live to see it...seeing that Somalia is no where near peace, stability or institutionalised governance. But I share your belief that clan based federalism is "adding fuel to the fire"...Somali's in Somalia have been fighting for the past 21 years along clan lines, it doesnt make sense to take the clan problem and magnify it on the basis of clan states...and seeing Ethiopia and Kenya are always looking for ways to destroy these simple minded fickle Somali's. It would be a disaster. Somalia need a unitary state with de-centralised strong localised city level power to promote city wide cooperation not tribal, and limit executive power to the extent that it means next to nothing. These Somali's at least on paper are planting the seeds to their own destruction.

I dont see tribal federation in British Somaliland young pirate...its unitary state, controlled from the center from corner to corner...just giving a message from history to my brothers in the South...you young pirate continue screaming EDITED AND MAKE FUN...you have been defeated therefore i am no longer interested.

Yoguslavia had only one main clan: The Slav's which consisted of all the states of the former Yugoslavia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_peoples and this was their end...

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Xaaji Xunjuf;800039 wrote: Carafaat in an ideal world yes but that's not how its going to look like in the near future Somalia will never accept Somalilands recognition and Somaliland will never ever bow down for a foreign ruler.So option B will most likely occur a cold war between the two countries the next two decades Somaliland will support anti Somalia elements and Somalia will return the favor and assist anti Somaliland elements:D ha dhakhleyso even with this scenerio Somalia is the ultimate loser as it doesnt even have the functional capability of a state i.e. it can not defend or police itself leaving it vulnerable to attack everywhere furthermore it has two many players that can be used against the government. Alshabab, war lords, pirates, private militia's, renegade ruthless business men...the list is endless...and somaliland can easily establish working relations with all of them. In terms of Somalia trying to weaken Somaliland. Somaliland is entirely different as it fully controls its borders and can police itself from corner to corner. Therefore this struggle itself would be reduced to i.e. providing a peice of paper to its opponents namely khatumo which in reality has no real power or influence anywhere other then buhoodle..and even in buhoodle it divided between SSC and khatumo. In regards to the new style of writing, its called crocidle tears literature. The game is set and done in my view as time will tell. No state can be built on the backs of foreign soldiers. :cool:

FreshPrince;799711 wrote: Xaabsade had lunch with his own cousin. Garad Jama invited him and he was a guest. We don't arrest or shoot guests like we're savages. We're not like you. Garad Jama had a little chit chat with his cousin Xabsaade, they talked about few things secretly. Some say, he was trying to persuade Xabsade to repent. A week ago, Xabsaade spoke in London and explicitly said in his own words, "Beesha D-block isn't here, they are not part or with somaliland". That tells you, he doesn't represent the SSC clan. He doesn't even have their respect. I think the cult of personality is irrelevant. What xabsaade said was "my tribe..(meaning las canod folk ) are not currently here because of greivences they were stating and that Somaliland should address their greviences"...He never said they aint part of Somaliland. Furthermore i think its a wrong analogy to say Sool folks all take one view point as is clear there are many differentiating voices, Some are Somaliland, some bax bax land and others hold Galayds view point. And if greviences are their am sure they can be resolved in due time. its good to say everything the man said not selctive snipits. But i hold the view that las canod people are better within Somaliland in terms of peace, development and even security. Khatumo saxib unfortunately i just dont take that seriously, nothing personal its just not logical given the territory, plausability and capability. i think it would only create further problems for Sool residents that already have enough on their plates at the moment.