correction, Puntland gets 55% of the oil revenue while the oil company gets 45%

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;778001 wrote: This figure you are spewing -- you don't have a problem with it whatsoever, aha? Laakiin haddii la dhaho Soomaalida kale qeyb ayee ka leedahay quuqdaada Google dhan laga soo maqlaa. Yaab. N. B. - I don't think inay 40% helayaan kuwa qodaayo, more like 60%, waaba haddee wax qodaan, which itself I don't think is possible xiligaan sharci la'aanta jirto. Plus natural resources is a dowladda dhexe jurisdiction, not wax maamul goboleed shuqul ku leeyahay. This is not Imaaraadka ama Swiss cantons. Haddaa dowlad dhexe ka mid tahay, waa inaa sharcigeeda raacdaa. well, Puntland is a state recognized by US, EU, and UN and, as result, has the power to use its resources without central government. we know this is true because it is happening now. no need for dowlad dhexe.

Somalia;777941 wrote: Don't worry, I'll treat your kind well inshallah.

the galkacyo accord gave significance percentage of the tfg fund to Puntland, for Puntland to build navy, but there were no talk of oil deals between the Puntland government and the tfg about oil sharing deals. so, this talk of 50% going to the ftg is nonsense.

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Somalia;777868 wrote: Does anyone have the oil agreement between TFG and Puntland? No one seems to know. i remember president muse hirsi giving the company the green light, but as for oil agreement with tng, no such thing since those tuug tng and now tfg would have never agree to a deal unless they got alot of money from the oil company.

who can forget the embarrassment of the century; do you remember what happen to him in china?

now that Puntland is official state recognized by world body, can't wait for foreign investments pouring into the state. viva Puntland.

the differences are so tremendous that one asks where do i start.

Puntland recognized as state by EU, UN, and US. :cool:

let's be fair osman. faroole is only working with limited resources and you know how that resources are spent by the state. how do you know faroole is paying for the cost? maybe, he is a guest of the government of dubai since it is they that called for the conference.

i think you should focus on your job rather than something that is clearly out of your reach. okay?

Somalina;777337 wrote: Maxaa ku haaya maanta? PL ayaad ku haysaa non stop, maxaa jira? Puntland fever? sadly, there is no cure.

somalia, would you accept paying more taxes while someone else in somalia pay less? Do you think it is fair? would you accept it? would you sit back and watch as other states out preform yours? would you help create the same mogadishu that did as it pleased? would you allow one city to dominate others? in federalism, no state is more favored or gains more power because it defeats the purpose of federalism. America is good example. name one state that is more politically powerful than another? so, in other words, mogadishu is no more especial than kismanyo or galkacyo.

but thank god that abdi hassan jimcaale is one of the reer puntland working on the state's constitution as well as the national one. he not only understands what real federalism means, but also understands the right of the citizen, state and country.

Somalia;777020 wrote: Interesting. Do you think all federal states should pay the same amount to the federal government? That's not realistic though. Also I agree with you that the TFG are proven tuugo. in america, all states pay their fair share of the responsibility. i remeber when obama wanted to pass the health care bill, one of the states was excused due to budget issues and the other states not only complained as unfair, but the supreme court ruled as unconstitutional. so, yes. i believe every state pay their share or no at all. it make no sense for the average reer puntland to pay 2 or 10 times the tax while others pay none or less. do you know that if we pay more, then the state's tax goes up which in return causes the economy to grow slower. thus, discouraging companies to invest in puntland.

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;777019 wrote: Why did I just remember that well-known anecdote sheeko about two men who were fighting and a third man came across them while still fighting. Markuu kala celiye ayuu weydiiye why they were fighting. Waxee ku jawaabeen jawaano lacag cirka haddee kasoo dhacdo yaa leh iyo yaa lahaan doono ayee isku heysteen. Markaas kii kala celiye yiri, "Iga raali ahaada dagaalka meesha kasii wata." no fight, a healthy debate between two brothers that have two different point of views. in a democratic society, debate is the engine that drives the society forward.

it's crazy that bunch of unelected, proven tuug request 50% of one of puntland's resources. i would as far go as to say that puntland will not pay a single dime without due process and the rest of the states pay their far share. in other words, we will not pay a thing until others pay their share of the responsibility.

Dr_Osman;777014 wrote: I am not saying the federal govt shouldn't get a slice, there is no question they will get a slice but 50% is what I am seeing as horrific!!! Do we seriously think its in our best interest to have monster federal govt? Do you think oil revenue will be their only source of income? When the country is back in operation they will be getting slices of income taxation from 18 regions, business taxes, livestock and agriculture taxes, oil and mineral levies, and on-top of that access to international funding!!! This is going to rebuild a Siyad Barre Government with Mogadishu as it's capital reaping the rewards of every region yet the regional govt areas will fall behind in power and significance. This is really needs to be watched. If you get 50% of my oil, I want 50% of everything that comes in through the TFG also. Anyways the oil legislation signed in 2007 was rejected by Puntland leader cadde muuse and a new legislation of oil will be drafted in the federal govt constitution in August that will be the proper constitution that will lay the foundation on which everything in Somalia will be based on and not a transitional constitution which the silly tfg minister of oil forgets to comprehend!!! That transitional constitution is going to be dumped in August and your 4.5 is out the door in 2016. spot on osman spot on.

well, in normal societies, the majority of the people out number the small crazy ones, however; in somalia, the opposite is true. so, your so call independent thinking make no sense in this context. i know what you mean, but what's the point? it's not like you and i mean you will make any difference on the ground. so, it's better that you accept the reality on the ground, because so many like you scarified so much for so little. i'm independent on many issues, but not on the concept of your people.

my concept of "your people" were, is and unfortunatedly will be shaped by others who dont share your concept of my people. it is normal to seek those who not only want you, but also accept you. i have seen a lot of crazy things and i can guarantee my concept of "your people" is the norm in somalia. sorry to burst your bubble.

^^ wanting the best for your people is a good attribute and it is people like myself that are making a difference in Puntland. Now let me ask you something, what has the rest of somalis in other part of the country contribute to puntland's oil initiatives? How many young men lost their lives to ensure the safety and well being of the oil company? and now you have the nerve to label people that not only understand the sacrifices of other, but also want to make sure their sacrifices were not in vein. you say bosaso, garowe, and galkacyo would disagree with me, i say with conviction that it is you they would disagree.

I agree with Dr. Osman. Puntland should not share its resources with TFG. I can understand helping the poor somalis that lack resouces to help themselves, but in no way or form should we share our resources. Name one thing that the TFG or other somalis did to help Puntland. I for one believe we should bring Faroole back, at least he knows how to deal with dumb politicans from the TFG or ignorant Puntlands that would easy gave up our oil without thought on how that money would be used.

dr osman, as always, good job on the summary and updates on our homeland; Puntland. I nominate you for puntland president in 2016. :cool:

Dr_Osman;775765 wrote: sxb i am talking about haters in the media who reach out to thousands of ppl polluting their mind with anti-puntland propaganda!!! I am talking about those haters!!! somaliland is the least of our concerns not many somalis bother reading their garbage for the simple reason they left somalia. I am talking about the real haters with an audience base HOL-BBC-VOA-DAYNIILE-UNIVERSAL who have millions of viewers My brother, as long as reer puntland at home and abroad ignore these losers, we will not only be fine, but also succeed in our endeavors.