Che -Guevara;892867 wrote: ^So what's love, now that you are experiencing it. I wrote a poem to describe how I feel..But I don't want to post it here cause people might steal my stuff..It's kinda deep.

Aaliyyah;894061 wrote: Narniah you are absolutely right that people shouldn't badmouth those who choose to marry outside their race. We also have to point out that your friends are doing the same mistake and making it seem that all Somali fathers are careless fathers who don't care about their children. Alhamdulilah my father means the whole world to me he has always been there for me and still is. My point being generalization is never good one way or the other. But, one thing is for sure when you choose to marry outside of your ethnic you are going to face cultural obstacles. I personally think marriage is already a huge responsibility I wouldn't want to make it any more difficult. But as they say live and let live. Aaliyah MashaAllah @ your dad. I am very fortunate and blessed to say my dad has never left us. Many of my Somali peers can't say that, sad but true. These issues I presented are real and out there for all to see.

Somali philosopher;894056 wrote: ^What god forsaken region of this planet do you live in Pretend all you like buddy, but this goes a lil further than my block it's a world wide international Somali issue. One thing I don't understand about Somalis is 'Denial' or shifting the blame never taking responsibility. Take a hard look around you.

I voted for my friend Blue..❤

Wadani;893943 wrote: I admit, my response was a bit over the top. But u've never really explained y ur so supportive of somalis marrying muslim ajanibis. Wat r the pros to these unions in ur opinion, that can't be found within a somali-somali union. I'm glad you realize you went a lil overboard there. I know your passionate about your views when it comes to this topic, so I'm use to it. (at least should be by now). As you know (and obviously can't stand) I'm supportive of Somalis marrying ajnabies cause I don't see anything wrong with it. I think it's absolutely absurd that people say ''if you marry a Non-Somali person your automatically someone who isn't cultured, that you must hate ur own kind bla bla. Hearing these misconceptions every single time this kind of a topic arises is a lil tiring. Like the claim you made earlier (indirectly) that Somalis who are married to ajnabis don't eat traditional food, or burn unsi. Are you for real? I think it's perfectly possible for a Somali man/woman to marry a Non-Somali and still uphold their culture & deen. You have to understand that not only the bad apples (culture hating, deen forsaking) ones marry foreigners. There are many very educated, deen oriented, chaste, have their parents duas/blessings marry ajnabis. I don't think it's fair on those people for us to badmouth them and paint a negative picture of them just because we're too scared to accept (What Allah has made halal) throw insults at them behind behind patriotic mask. I know there are some culture hating, deen hating, Somalis who marry ajnabis for all the wrong reasons. Eg; There are some people in my peers who confined in me that they will not marry Somali. When I heard their reasons I really felt sorry for them cause I can only imagine the surprises they'll be presented with once they get hitched. Even though I don't condone all their reasons for not wanting to marry Somalis...but I certainly understand where they're coming from... here are some reasons they didn't want to marry a Somali... 1 They told me they don't expect much from Somali men (as they will most likely end up a single mom if they were to end up with one)... 2.. Most Somali men don't want to grow old with their wife. Married....gone...single mom (is the norm it seems...etc.. They marry for the wrong reasons, not to fulfill half of their Imaan as Islam says or to be a long lasting companion to their spouse. 3.. Somali men don't want to be men! Instead of providing for their wives they rather let them go on benefit even when the women aren't entitled hence they're lawfully married (they will encourage them to seek aid through benefit, make a false claim such as ;they're divorced/even widowed in some cases when they're not subhanaAllah. (Spineless, and I think this is the root of all downfalls in our communities. 4..Have you ever seen a Somali man in court demanding his rights to see his child, like other cultures do when they father a child? Hardly. Most of the Somali women who are single moms have to beg their men to come see their children (like it or not..but it's a fact). Do some exist that voluntarily without being pressured want to be part of their kids lives? Yes..but they're hardly non-existent. We seem to be a culture that takes enormous pride in the number of children we have but sadly most of those kids are only raised by their mothers. I don't even know why I'm saying sadly, cause Walahi the Somali women have fulfilled both the father and mothers position and they are also supporting the fathers of their children, looking after them. They are superwoman. But their daughters...Aren't having it. And I don't blame them. I better stop don't want it to turn into a book lol.

Alpha Blondy;893861 wrote: its fine for somali men to marry/date non-somalis. somewhat tolerable for somali women to date non-somalis but unacceptable for somali women to marry non-somalis. but before i'm accused of being sexist, think of what's at stake. Double standards, plain n simple. The reason they don't mind their sons marrying non-Somalis is cause the kids they produce according to them (will still carry the Somali Fathers tribe...Whereas a woman can't?

Taleexi;893863 wrote: Narniah - way ku jeceshahay ee wax fahan. Iyah! Apophis;893857 wrote: I guess my hope lies in the insane Somali fathers, there's bound to be a few right?? Which means you gonna end up with his not so very sane daughter? As the apple never falls too far from the tree! Good luck lol Wadani;893856 wrote: Narniah, I am who i am and want wat i want. If u wanna marry an ajanabi or just condone it in principle go right ahead. Just dont expect me to applaud your decision. I'm Somali through and through, and i want my kids to be also. What's with the dramatic reply, I never said I wanted to marry ajnabi! I was just calling you out on your generalization saying indirectly people who are married to ajnabi are basically not Somali anymore (Or stop being Somali according to you). What you want is entirely up to you and I have nothing whatsoever against it. That's not even an issue.

Apophis;893839 wrote: For me it's a no because I wish to preserve my Somali lineage. That's a beautiful response! But what makes you think any sane Somali father would give you their daughters hand when you aren't even Muslim? Just being real. Wadani;893837 wrote: This topic has been beaten to death on this site already. But it's such a charged and polarized topic that you'll receive tons of very opinionated replies nontheless. I'll start by saying i'd never consider a non-somali for marriage. I need the smell of uunsi, and the mouth watering scent of bariis and hilib adhi when I come home from work. I don't wanna come home to a febreezed apartment with a hamburger helper dinner plate on the table lool. You gotta be joking right? Lol! How many times have I seen Somalis married to Somalis feeding their kids halal hamburgers from the fridge or simply order Pizza in. Lets be real bro... There are many Somalis who are happily married to non-Somalis and I doubt they don't use unsi or that they don't eat hilib n baris. So quit generalizing and making them look like they're less Somali because they aren't married to one.

Skeptic, I wish you and your family all the best. I always said I'd adopt even when I'm married and Allah blesses me with my own.

GaroweGal;850462 wrote: Ps: Are you in love Narniah? A few months ago I couldn't answer that question Now I finally can... Yes!=)

Lucky you 5! I wish I could go to Morroco. You must b soo excited. My sister is also planning to go during xmas. Ohh don't forget to shop a lot, I love Morrocans, their culture, clothes, souvenirs, their people, food....Argan oil lol! I'm sure you will have the time of your life. How was turkey btw? I remember you were planning to go..

All because? He couldn't control his anger. SubhanAllah...

I just read about how little Abdi fatah mohamud called 9-11 several times, before he was murdered. He even asked to be removed from the household out of fear for his life. No one came for him. There's so many things that are in the investigation that will shock you to death. This boy was being beaten by this savage for a long time, and his so called mother didn't know. How can she not have known? She must've pardoned him a few times for it to have gotten this bad. Walahi this right here makes you lose all faith in humanity.

Jurors last month convicted Mohamud after hearing prosecutor Thomas M. Finnerty describe how Mohamud inflicted “devastating blow after devastating blow” on the 4-foot, 11-inch boy, who weighed just less than 100 pounds, separating the boy’s skull from his spinal cord and crushing the back of his head, exposing his brain. This man should not be imprisoned he should be beheaded.

Jacpher;889886 wrote: Should Muslims also stop taking prayer break time because it confirms and reinforces the misguided assumptions of Muslims going into a backroom to scream Allahu Akbar before they go on a rampage. Your argument is as absurd as this analogy sounds. You don't ask for permission from someone for you to worship your God. You don't stop pleasing God because others find it displeasure or inconvenience. You don't let the views of other people dictate how you conduct your religion. Your religion is your business, it defines you and who you are; so don't let others define you or give you a narrative that is not yours. +1 Wadani;889901 wrote: Listen Jacpher and Narniah, im not a wahhabi so I dont view some deeni things the same as u guys. Anyone thats reads my posts on this forum knows I dont give a shit wat gaalos or the white man think of me. I'm a Somali Muslim from the honorable Garxajis clan (all Somali clans are honorable by the way lol), ma cid iga fiican baa jirta? Lol@ I'm not wahabi. Had I not known better I'd have you down as a Islam-phobic. No need to start cussing, are you hoping you'll sound more tough if you swear? :rolleyes: No one cares what tribe your from. At least I don't. Mario B;889977 wrote: If a Muslim [ who avoids major sins] who happen to shake the hand of the opposite is non-practising, according to you, then what you will call a Muslim who drinks, commits zinna and advocates clan murder? We need to exercise some proportionality here, me thinks! How do you know they avoid major sins? I've seen them boasting about major sins on here too. I don't really care tbh, but don't tell me not to call them practicing Muslims when they obviously admit themselves they don't. Well the beauty about Islam is that it doesn't just forbid us from sins. It helps us tackle/avoid the path that leads to it first. Being loose in ones behavior such as hugging and shaking hands with the opposite gender can lead to zina. Zina doean't just mean doing the actual deed. There's zina of the eyes, the ears, the tongue etc.

Che -Guevara;889485 wrote: They produce sweet caramel babies and Narniah wants to join the club:D Lol che, I'm actually a Vanila baby, so to produce a caramel baby I'd need dark chocolate:p. The only problem is I don't seem to have much in common with chocolates. Hmm who knows what the future holds.

Wadani;889646 wrote: I find that its much easier for Muslim women to uphold this practise in the western world, because as a man if u refuse to shake the hands of gaalo women they'll assume your a sexist misogynist who holds women to be unworthy of touching. They already believe this about Muslim men, and not shaking their hand will only serve to confirm and reinforce their misguided assumptions. Excuses, excuses. Why do you care what people think of you? You think you got it harder to practice your deen than a Muslim woman? That's just sad that you think that way. OdaySomali;889561 wrote: Guide us, oh Narniah. You think you are so funny, don't you. Only Allah can guide you. Aaliyyah;889761 wrote: Actually there are people who believe they can shake hands with gloves on..but you are right most niqaabs don't shake hands with the opposite sex. Good to know you were kidding. Lol this reminds me of something rather weird I once encountered; These group of somali women (not niqaabis) shook hands with some men but covered their hands with their gabasar lol. smh.

One thing you take from a topic like this is that the majority of Somali men aren't practicing Muslims. I don't shake hands with the opposite gender, my friends/co-workers know this and respect it.

Wadani;889481 wrote: Wats so inspiring about it narniah? Everything about it is^_^

som-aussie chick 4 life;52069 wrote: as-salamu alaikum wat r ur ideas/views on inter-racial marriages. i've a friend who wanted 2 get married 2 a lebanese bro but her dad refused sayin "somalis n arabs have nothin in common, i'll give u my blessings if u only marry a somali dude" etc, etc. is this how all somali parents think? would u marry some1 that does not come from the same nationality as u? now we all know that islamically speakin inter-racial marriages r HALAL as long as the person u want 2 marry is muslim {except 4 broz since they r allowed 2 marry "the people of the book} rite? so y do somalis make such a BIG deal out of inter-racial marriages? parents shud advice their daughters 2 marry a pious broz n not say somethin such as "i'll give u my blessings if u only marry or bring a somali man" anyho, wat r ur ideas n point of views on this? I personally don't think there's anything wrong with marrying out the race. I know many happily married couples who are in interracial marriages it's inspiring.

Blackflash;888472 wrote: How was that an insult? In the context of this thread, an expensive pilgrimage which isn't required of those unable to afford it does seem like a rather useless use of money. He used the money to go to Hajj the most useless pilgrimage of pilgrimages. That's what your pal said, stop sugarcoating it.

Raamsade;888469 wrote: Narniah, sorry to say this my pretty ankles but you're simply not intelligent enough to know the difference between insult and point of view. You wouldn't know what insult was even if insult itself walked up to you and slapped in you in the face. So, spare me the faux umbrage. You need to find a better way to get your point across without coming across disrespectful/offensive towards peoples beliefs. I see that you are a lil too inept though to comprehend that. So, I will let you make your pathetic snide remarks as that seems to be your only area of expertise.

Alpha Blondy;887445 wrote: ^what a pleasant surprise to see even Narniah here. i know we've had our difference in the past but i'm glad you were able to overcome them lol. as for your question, i think it means nonsense. ------ today was awesome. i had a date. i even wore my khamis and that yassar arafat thing. it wasn't the most pleasant of dates and i don't think i'll be seeing her again. Narniah, perhaps you can shed light on these matters as you've previously been successful. I don't carry around grudges alpha. You had a date and wore a khamis lol ....What went wrong? Hmm I hope you didn't annoy her too much. Lol @ I've been successful, Joka. I'm actually quite clueless. Good to hear you had a nice day and are over your flu.

Butac waye! lool He's hilarious. Tnx Aaliyah!

Raamsade;887556 wrote: r But why should I send money to someone who will waste it on useless things like Hajj , chewing jaat, drinking and qaaraan? Don't I have moral responsibility to ensure the money I'm sending is doing no harm and is being put to good use? I don't care what you are, or where your from but you better show my religion some respect. I won't tolerate you insulting my deen in my thread, Do that elsewhere! I will also remind you that it's against the forum rules to insult Islam. So you better watch yourself.