Whatever I was, I see you cann't dispute the facts... Can you?

jj.. Discourtesy is not going to alleviate your predicament. Back in 1990s, as per Osman Kalluun taking part in the May 18, 2007 debate on Somali BBC, the U.S. State Department officials had politely told a visiting secessionist delegation headed by Abdirahman Tuur that Washington would not tolerate the consequence of Hargeisa becoming a nation-state because a Pandora box will open up where every African tribal village will seek and fight for sovereignty recognition to open their embassies in the Capital City. However, Mr. Kalluun as a member of the Tuur delegation still remembers the conditions the Americans set for any future discussion of the topic. The U.S. State Department officials told Tuur and his delegation, in the most diplomatic manner and with respect, that secessionists have to fulfill the following conditions before they (the US government) open a file for the dismemberment of Somali Republic, a sovereign state recognized by the whole world: 1. Come up with specific geographical territory you rule. 2. Nobody should dispute your claim for that geographical territory. 3. There should be no armed resistance against the regime you are planning to start up. 4. Get O.K. from other stakeholders i.e. the Somalis in the south. You can hide those facts from people in my city Hargeisa because the SNM gang does not allow the media to discuss such sensitive topics in public. But before you disrespect the American people, bring to them a licit concern that is democratic and just. By the way, isn’t the impossibility to fulfill these conditions the reason as why almost the whole members of the team abandoned the ship? I do not need the drivel. I know the usual drill…. Tuur lost the presidency. Buubaa is opportunistic. Kalluun is what? And Sifir lost Kulmiye something…..blah blah....

Originally posted by xiinfaniin: quote:Originally posted by Nayruus: We need compromise. We have to leave behind the culture of militancy and stubbornness. We are the bargaining chip for both Ethiopia and Eritrea. At this moment they are sitting together somewhere in Europe (listen today’s Somali BBC news) hammering out their disagreements over a small strip of land. If these guys settle their difference and it likes like they will, are not be thrown away like a used dish washing sponge by both of them? Sidii ay doonto ha u xumaatee inta aan haysano yeyna inga sii kala daadan..... Nice sentiment there yaa N! But with this belligerent pm and his equally stubborn boss, your approach, positive as it may be, has a slim chance to be adopted by this team! The zero sum game is deeply rooted in Somali politics---much deeper than we are willing to admit. Xiin, we are not only deep in water we are deep in ocean. You can easily come up with an array of our ailments. You can easily analyze, theorize and hypothesize. You can easily take this anecdote and find interconnectiveness with another anecdote and reach an easy and fast conclusions. There may be some truth to the recently observed phenomenon of “flimsy rationalization” that characterizes Somalis at large as diehard tribalists. Undoubtedly, tribalism puts most of us in myopic mentality that blocks us from seeing the big picture. When the world is threatened by an incurable disease, scientists supported by policy makers never cease to find remedies. Xiin, if my plea in good faith to Somalis to curtail this destructive culture of self-mutilation seems to you naïve and simple (some smart a** even called my person simpleton), give us a scope of your wisdom and without further analysis, formulate methodologies will lead us to find cure for our ailments. That is the biggest challenge all caring Somalis are facing at. [ September 07, 2007, 11:04 PM: Message edited by: Nayruus ]

We need compromise. We have to leave behind the culture of militancy and stubbornness. We are the bargaining chip for both Ethiopia and Eritrea. At this moment they are sitting together somewhere in Europe (listen today’s Somali BBC news) hammering out their disagreements over a small strip of land. If these guys settle their difference and it likes like they will, are not be thrown away like a used dish washing sponge by both of them? Sidii ay doonto ha u xumaatee inta aan haysano yeyna inga sii kala daadan..... Muqdisho: Ra’iisul Wasaare Geeddi oo Jabuuti kula kulmaya xubno ka tirsan maxkamaddihii Islaamiga 6. September 2007 Muqdisho(AllPuntland)- Wafdi ballaaran oo uu horkacayo Ra’iisul Wasaare Cali Maxamed Geeddi ayaa maanta ka ambabaxay garoonka diyaaradaha Aadan Cadde Airport ee magalaada Muqdisho, iyagoo ku sii jeeda dalka Jabuuti. Ujeedada socdaalka Ra’iisul Wasaaraha ayaa la sheegay in uu dalkaasi kula kulmi doono xubno ka tirsanaa Maxkamaddihii Islaamiga ee laga awood roonaaday oo la qorsheynayo iney halkaasi kulan ku yeeshaan looga wada hadlayo sidii ay isugu soo dhowaan lahaayeen labada dhinac. Wasiirul Dowlaha arrimaha gudaha Md. Maxamuud Sayid Aadan ayaa saxaafadda u sheegay in Ra’iisul Wasaaruhu uu halkaasi kula kulmi doono xubno ka tirsan maxaakiimta ayna ka wada hadli doonaan sidii labada dhinaca ay u yeelan lahaayeen aragto hordhac ah oo isu soo dhoweyn karta sidii wada hadal loogu dhameyn lahaa khilaafka taagan. Prof. Geeddi ayaa garoonka diyaaradaha Muqdisho waxaa ku sii sagootiyay xubno ka tirsan labada gole isagoo inta uu joogo dalka Jabuutina la qorsheynayo inuu kulamo la yeesho mas’uuliyiinta dalka Jabuuti iyo jaaliyadda Soomaaliyeed ee halkaasi ku nool. Safarka Ra’iisul Wasaaraha ayaa ku soo aaday xili dalka Jabuuti ay xarun Transid u noqotay kooxaha uu shirka maanta ugu furmay magaalada Asmara halkaasoo laga yaabo in qaar ka tirsan mas’uuliyiintii maxkamadaha ay Jabuuti ku sugan yihiin, lagana yaabo iney wada hadal la yeeshaan wafdiga Ra’iisul Wasaaraha. Cali Muxiyaddiin Cali AllPuntland, Muqdisho

NN, the bone of contention is the Ethios in Somalia. If Mele Zenawi removes his militia from our soil, these meeting in Asmara have no legs to stand on except to emerge as strong political opposition especially if Sh. Aweys and other militants are retired. The UN has the solution for Somalia. If it approves peace keeping budget for AU forces without further delay, Ethios are forced to go home and the EU understands that.... So, brother lower your tone.... [ September 06, 2007, 10:30 AM: Message edited by: Nayruus ]

^^^^^ Have you seen them signing the Citizenship Oath Form?

Magacyada Siyaasiyiinta ka qaybgaleysa shirka Asmara Wararkii: Sept 6, 2007 Waxaa Magaalada Asmara ee dalka Ereteriya maanta ka furmaya shir ay isugu imaanayaan ilaa iyo 500 oo ergo, waxaana shirkaasi soo qaban-qaabiyey Siyaasiyiin Soomaaliyeed. Magaalada Asmara oo maalmahan xarun u ahayd Maxaakiimta Islaamiga ah iyo Baarlamaanka isku magacabay inay xor yihiin ayaa waxaa la sheegay in Magaalada Asmara ay gaareen Siyaasiyiin si aad ah looga yaqaano dalka gudihiisa iyo Dibaddiisa, waxayna inoo sheegay dadkaasi halkaasi ku sugan in siyaasiyiinta ilaa iyo hadda soo gaartay ay ka mid yihiin Cumar Xaaji Masale, Faarax Weheliye Caddow Sindiko, Cusmaan Max’ed Jeelle, Max’ed Goodax Barre, Cabdi Ismaaciil Samatar, Jaamac Max’ed Qaalib iyo siyiyiin kale, sidoo kale waxaa halkaasi ku sugan Guddoomiyaha Baarlamaanka xorta ah Shariif Xasan Sheekh Aadan, iyo xildhibaanada ay ka mid yihiin Suleymaan Colaad Rooble, Sakariye Xaaji Max’ed, Axmed Diiriye Max’ed, Fawsiyo Max’ed Sheekh, Maxamuud Jaamac Sifir, Xuseen Max’ed Faarax (Caydiid), Cumar Xaashi Aadan, halka Maxaakiimta iyana halkaasi ku sugan yihiin Guddoomiyihii Maxaakiimta Sheekh Shariif Sheekh Axmed, Prof Ibraahim Xasan Caddow. Maalintii shalay ahayd ayaa waxaa Asmara kulan ku yeeshay ergayda ka qaybgaleysa shirka iyo Midowga Yurub, waxaana kulankaasi looga hadlay sidii xal loogu heli lahaa arrimaha Soomaaliya, iyo sidii Midowga Yurub uga qayb-qaadan lahaa arrimaha Soomaaliya, waxaana la filayaa in Mas’uuliyiinta Midowga ka qaybgalaan shirka maanta ka furmaya Magaalada Asmara. source

Harbar fadhigo lagdin la fudud...you minimizing the severing of the thousands of Hargeysaawis and ridiculing their inability to feed themselves because the horrible policies of the secessionist mafia. God help us...if Yey do not remove these gangs from the city soon, it is time I have to recommend my people from Daami to migrate to other regions.....

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro: They were with Siyaad barre markii horeba .... this time waa xaggayaga I have proven that you are pure clanist. On the report....so the struggle of SNM gang is confined to few in Hargeisa.. It has nothing to do with the large population from former British Somali colony... I think Riyaal has to fire you

May be you personally because as you said before you have access to riyaale's "presidential budget" and as your signature picture is showing you are the guy enjoying cigarette in the background..

This time the Laacaanood and Sanaag Somalis are with him in full force. So you and likes have no another option except to pick up the green leaves and flowers

The news was yesterday and today you are in paradise..

^^^^Nobody is going to ask you if you need it or not. No more pampering. Ina Yey is coming with his big sticks. We will see how you will resist from lining up at the road from Hargeisa airport to the state house with flowers and branches of green leaves.

You are not. Listen to Somali BBC now and listen to the report of ina Cige. The NGOs are opening feeding centers in Hargeisa because inflaation is soo high poeple including mine in Daami can not feed themselves. The price of 50kg sac of rice is more than 30 US dollars. It tripled within the last 3 days. 15kg of powdered milk is selling more than 80 us dollars. Per capital income in our neck of the woods is 130 US per years. So, we are in paradise.

LIKE IT OR NOT, you will get it...

You are forced to be part of the paradise LIKE IT OR NOT

^^^^^^I did call the embassies all over the world. They only know Somali Democratic Republic and that Hargeisa, Burao and Berbara are part and parcel of the Somalia.

Originally posted by NGONGE: Oodweyne, At the risk of disrupting your duel with Duke here or seeming to be on his side, I can't help but wonder at the wisdom behind refusing to allow TFG passport carriers from entering Somaliland! I'm sure you're fully aware that many people hailing from Somaliland but live in various Arab countries are forced (for lack of an alternative) to use the TFG passport. How then does the Somaliland administration propose to deal with such people if (as you say) it refuses entry to any TFG document carriers into Somaliland? WAA LABO MID KUU DARAN and he will never know which one is which.. I would be guffawing all the way to Daami if I see Mr. Oodweyne taking Citizenship Oath to qualify for getting the e-passport from the Somali government.

Originally posted by Zenobia: a specific nation, ma garatay? Somali Democratic Republic? :confused:

^^^^ You are not getting it? Do you? My name is Ali Nayruus. Walaahi, I was in London this summer. My Flight was no. 3754 Aitransit on July 13 arrived at Gatwick. Go verify from the U.K immigration what kind of passport I was traveling with and get us back with the results!!

So you are a lady? News to me!

Man put this on your forehead. Are you a lady?

The news is getting serious…from waagacusub.... Madaxda Isbahaysigga Casmara oo ku hoowlan sidii ay ergada kaga saari lahaayeen Xasan Dahir Aweys iyo Rag kale ,warbixin gaarah Garabyadda Isbahaysiga siyaasadeedka Soomaalida Casmara ayaa markii ugu horeeysay xogag dheeriya laga helay sababihii ay shirweynahii lagu waday inuu furmo 1-da bishaan Setember dib ugu dhigeen. Madaxda sare ee Isbahaysigga Casmara ayaa la xaqiijiyay inay shirka dib ugu madleen,go-aan siyaasadeed ay isla qaateen,kaas oo ay ku doonayaan inay liiska ergada kaga saaraan madax sare oo ka tirsan golaha Maxaakiimta ,ayna ka mid yihiin Xasan Dahir Aweys iyo Abuu Maansuur oo dowlada Mareykanka ay ku dartay liiska argagixisada. Xasan Dahir Aweys oo golahii Maxaakiimta u qabtay hogaanka sare ee Gudoomiyenimada golaha Shuurada, haatana degan Xaafada Mai Jax jax ee Caasimadda Casmara ayaa todobaadkii la soo dhaafay isu sharaxay inuu noqdo shirgudoonka shirweyne jabhadeedka Casmara ee la qorsheeynayo inuu ka soo baxo urur weyne dalka Soomaaliya awood Melleteri kaga saara Ciidamada Itoobiyaanka ee ku sugan. Madax ay ka mid yihiin ,Proff Axmed Ismaaciil Samatar, Proff Cali Khaliif Galeydh,Dr Cabdi Risaaq Xaaji Xuseen, Jeneral Jaamac Maxamed Qaalib,Xuseen Maxamed Ceydiid,Shariifkii xilka gudoomiyenimada baarlamaanka laga qaaday iyo Shariif Axmedka Maxaakiimta ayaa isku fikir ka noqday,hindise qabyaa oo Cali Khaliif soo bandhigay,kaas oo gundhigiisu yahay inaan Xasan Dahir la joogin xilligii uu ka soo dhexmuuqan lahaa shaashada shirweynaha Casmara. Madax ka badan 160 masuul,ayna ku jiraan kuwa dowlada Ereteria ayaa Xasan Dahir kula taliyay inuu iska nasto,oo uusan qeyb ka noqon ergada iyo hoowlwadeenada shirweynaha loo madlan yahay Khamiista maalmaha inaga xigaan ,hasse yeeshee Korneyl Aweys waxaa uu codsaday in la siiyo sedex maalmood oo ka fiirsi ah. Proff Galeydh ayaa ku taliyay in maamulka lagu dhidbo Casmara uusan noqon mid ku shaqeeyo hanaankii Maxaakiimta oo kale,balse uu noqdo maamul beesha Caalamka door diblomaasiyadeed la Ciyaari kara si aan loo helin jaanisyo,lagula shabadeyn karo muuqaal argagixiso iyo cid la shaqeeyso. Si kastaba ha ahaatee,dhamaan ergada isugu tagtay Casmara waa kuwa ka dhisan dhinacyada dhaqaalaha,siyaasada,aqoonta iyo diinta,taas oo beesha Caalamka ku abuurtay walaac ku saleeysan,suurtagalnimada inay Casmara foolaneyso dowlad adag oo Soomaaliya yeelato. Dahir Abdulle Alasow daahiralasow@yahoo.com Nairobi-Kenya

^^^^Nonsense.... I remember Yuusuf Garaad of Somali BBC interviewing the SNM gang’s foreigner minister at one of London Airports. The guy was arguing he was traveling with his secessionist passport and Mr. Garaad was saying to him why can't you show it to me so I can see which page the U.K. entry is stamped on. His reply was, ask the airport immigration officials what kind of passport I am traveling with. Mr. Garaad did not obviously want to embarrass him in air and dropped off the argument because he could have reminded him he is no position to ask the U.K. immigration about the personal info of any person including his subordinates that work under his supervision in The Somali BBC section. Is he a terrorist investigator that U.K. authorities are cooperating with? Why wouldn't the guy simply show him the passport if he was not lying? My people are always deceived with lies! When are they going to grow up and catch the lies? You can lie some of the people all of the time. IsN't it? [ September 03, 2007, 08:58 AM: Message edited by: Nayruus ]

Originally posted by Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale: The view that khat circulated in Somalia in 13th century might have some truth. It is possible that it was used in Harar but not in the rest of Somalia. Except in Borama, Hargeisa, Burcao and Barbara khat was unknown in the rest of the country as late as 1968. Even in these four cities, few townspeople starting chewing the stuff in 1950s. In the south the twig was unknown completely. If you are thirty or more years old, ask your father if your grandfather munched the drug. You will find he did not. Here is a recent Washington Post dispatch from Gaalkacyo. In the opening paragraph it says: “GALKAYO, Somalia On a dusty street that runs through this town of 80,000 in central Somalia, a cluster of men sit on low stools, lost in their daily ritual -- chewing the green leaves of a mild narcotic called khat. Lethargic and stupefied, they seem oblivious to everything. Only when their cellphones jangle -- a surreal sound in this otherwise primitive place -- do they snap to life. Soon they've arranged the money transfers they've been waiting for and lapse back into their somnolent masticating.” In 1960s when khat was spreading southwards from Hargeisa, a prominent resident in Gaalkacyo in a farewell message to his son going abroad for studies said: Bushumahayga uma quurikaro buuri iyo jaad eh Lama baayactamo naagahaa geedka beecsade eh From these two verses you can understand how strongly our elders rejected the consumption of the drug. But Amxaaro and their evil stuff have succeeded.... To highlight the economic disaster that this drug causes, the Washington Post reporter gives us this picture: “Only men chew khat, but retail sales (and, in Galkayo, wholesale as well) are the exclusive task of women. And it's a serious business: a bunch of twigs to satisfy a man for a day costs the equivalent of $10. (Per capita income is roughly $130 a year.) If payment is made in Somali shillings, the banknotes fill a shopping bag.” Full article