Zack and STOIC, I was born and raised in Mogadishu. I have every right to bother myself with the issues of Somalia. You guys however, are born in Kenya and Ethiopia, I suggest you apply for you Somali citizenships. Which people like Oba, Somalia and me are ready to evaluate.

The Zack;921246 wrote: Carafat, your are very limited when it comes to the Somali issues. Your brain can't comprehend that same people inhabit Garissa, Jigjiga, Garowe and Kismayu . You are at a shock but boy I am telling you, it is a fact. They do inhabit in that huge chunk of land. ? Saxiib, all Somalis are related somehow. That doesnt justify some armed militias from Jigjiga to invade Kismayo. Its something beyong comprehension unless you are settler hoping to invade other peoples land by using clan as justification.

STOIC;921242 wrote: Going by what the regulars posted this is a war betwee n Gabaal's clan and Zack clan .They are brothers and I'm sure they will find a solution. You are just adding a fuel to the fire by sticking your windbag character in their business Edit Zack I'll never go on all out bait on my brothers like what some contributers been saying since yesterday! A little class is required.just saying! Most of Madobe's militias are from Kenya and most of Barre Hirraale militia men are not genuine Gedo folks, they are mostly from Ethiopia. The fact that both militias are heavily armed and supported by Kenya and Ethiopia should be proof to you.

The Zack;921241 wrote: STOIC, all of us including YOU and I are clan-driven. Maxaad noola yaabi marka.... I know it is crazy. Diffrence is that you are from Ethiopia, meddling in Somali affairs and bringing Kenyan troops. Waa wax lala yaabo. Its like me bringing South Sudanese Dinga's to Jigjiga, because I have an auntie in Gashaamo. Somalis should make a stand against foreigners invading their country, weather they are supported by Somali-Kenyans/Ethiopians or not.

STOIC, eventhough clan militias are fighting eachother. I dont belief locals support any of these foreign settlers, they are fighting their own wars in the wrong location. Let them go back to Kenya and Ethiopia and fight eachother there, not on Somali soil. I will not be silent when foreign settlers and merceneries are invading my country.

Zack, lets discuss issues. And the fact is that 11 are dead, and you are chearleading for Kenyan merceneries.

suleeymaan;921232 wrote: Carafaat, this project was destined for failure from the get-go. The realities on the ground doest not fit this type of grand illusions. Remember, we are not in the 60's or 69's when the euphoria of Somali nationalism and Somaliweyn was it's highest, an event that was used to advance clan interest by some at the expense of the nation. Now we are in 2013 my friend, peoples minds are forever changed beyond redemtion and most are able to smell an evil from a great distance. Maanta tuug laqabtay talo maleh ayeey sheekada joogtaa . Suleeyman, indeed you are right. But my concern is that we go back to the 90's, were a bunch of thieves and merceneries are fighting eachother on Somali soil. We had enough of that and we should not standby or be silent but raise our voice against these neo-colonial settlers.

Zack, I support the Unity of Somalia. But the question is what do you support? bringing foreign troops in to Somalia. Any Somali citizen would regard that as an act of treason. But clearly you are an Somali-Ethiopian, who cares little about the fate of Somalia.

Zack, you are an Somali-Ethiopain. I dont discuss national issues(Somaliland, Somalia, Jubbaland) with foreign settlers or their merceneries.

There is also a committee based in Baidoa. The Goverment is right to invite all those fortune seeking settlers and their committee's. GUDIGII MA'AMUL USAMEYNTA KOONFUR GALBEED SOOMAALIYA OO MAANTA GAAREY BAYDHABO. Gudigaan Oo ka ooban 7 Xubnood oo ahaa kuwii loo xil saarey maamul usameynta 6-da Gobol Ee Koonfur Galbeed Soomaaliya ayaa maanta waxay gaareen Baydhabo oo ah caasimada 6-daasi gobol. gudigaan oo aan xiriiro la sameyney ayaa wakaalda BANA waxay usheegeen in baydhabo ay kaga horeeyaan odoyaashii Dhaqanka oo intooda badan ansaxiyey baarlamaanka cusub waxayna sheegeen iney mardhow guda gali doonaan howshii loo egmadey ee aheyd iney maamul udhisaan Jubada Hoose, Baay, Gedo, Bakool , Shabellaha Hoose & Jubada Dhexe. Gudigaan ayaa waxay dhowaan ay si toos ah uguda gali doonaan howshii loo egmadey ee aheyd in maamul loo wada dhan yahay oo ana aheyn hal beel hal qof ay u sameeyaan deegaanadaan. Mad Yerow Aamin BANA Baydhabo

Jubbaland Settlers seem to be furious. Zack, Apophis and other Somali-Kenyans/Ethiopians. You better concern yourself with issues in your own country. Yes, its Mogadishu that has the polical leverage on Kismayo not the Kikuyu merceneries. You better adress your grievences towards the President of Somalia and his PM.

Diffrent militias are fighting over the control of Kismayo and thus the greater region of Jubbaland. Diffrent clans are prebaring to set-up federal states that both include the three regions of Jubbaland.Foreign countries are heavily involved in trying to get leverage in to Somalia and southern regions. Therefor the central goverment should reate and appoint diffrent admins for each of the three Provinces of Jubbaland. Just like they have done for Bay, Bakool, Hiiraan, etc. And bring the Port of Kismayo under authority of Central goverment. This will reduce the political leverage foreign counties will get over the region, increase the representetiveness of the admins, increase participation of locals in the admin, reduce the risk of clan fights. And creates time to implement the whole federalism and re drawing of Provincial borders, mandate and authorities. And enough time to involve locals in the creating of democratic and divers "federal states".

Che -Guevara;921032 wrote: Xukuumadda oo shir wadatashi ku casuntey Guddiyada maamul u samaynta Jubbooyinka Is there more then one Gudi maamul u sameenisaa Jubooyinka? Clearly the goverment is inviting all Gudi's, including the Kismayo and Baidoa based Committee, me thinks.

The goverment is right to ignore this whole Jubba Conference, which is nothing more then settlers and their Kenyan army dividing the region. As it looks now the settlers are fighting eachother, and hopefully foreign army will soon go back to Kenya and Ethiopia, clan federalism dies, so a real admin can be appointed for the diffrent Provinces of Jubbada Hoose, Jubada dhexe and Gedo.

Back to the 90's when the clan militias were fighting over control of Kismayo. History repeating itself again. Some folks really never seem to learn from history.

Xiin, please give us an update on the political settlement between the settlers and the precious jewel of Kismayo they hope to colonize.

Alpha Blondy;920683 wrote: inaadeero, jubbaland is based on inconsistent clan irredentism. this project is by far the most ambitious clan project of all time. its bound to fail. how can clan project with the backing of a foreign interests succeed? i guess as the english adage goes: Pigs Don’t Know Pigs Stink . Its by far the most ambitious clan settlement project ever. We can compare it with the Israeli settlements in the West-bank. Those settlers too came first as poor refugees and now they are taking over the Westbank.

Haatu;920677 wrote: Majority this majority that. The majority rules, and rule they do today. Inta kale waa nacnac iyo cabaad... Kenyan Army ayaa Shabaab meesha ka saartay oo Kismayo heysata. As soon as they are gone, locals will kick out all the settlers as they have done in the past over and over again.

Che -Guevara;920556 wrote: ^Keydmedia posts a heavily edited videos meant to revise history. That includes this video. Now if you disagree with that assertion, then great. Who says this video or the other ones are revising history?

Alpha Blondy;920654 wrote: the guy representing Jubbaland is retarded walahi. he's being over-assertive in rewriting history for the purposes of justifying jubbaland's existence. In pre-independent Somalia, the region was called Alta Juba(Upper Jubba) and its capital was Baidoa. So even if Jubbaland is historicly justified, then its capital would clearly be Baidoa and DM would form by the biggest majority.

Its a debate about 6 region Koonfur Galbeed State vs 3 region Jubbaland State. Arguments in favour of the 6 region State: Common culture and history, decades of victimization by previous goverments, majority inhabited by DM clan, the 6 region State is supported by the Somali goverment in Muqdisho while Jubbaland has the support of the Kenyan goverment, we are the righfull owners of the land, while settlers came resently and were settled by Kacaan regime, most settlers come from Ethiopia/Kenya, settlers have a violant culture of wanting to use force to claim land that is not theirs. Arguments in favour of the 3 region Jubbaland State: We have the support of Puntland and we were ousted from Muqdisho and deserve our own State, we have military control over the 3 regions(with support from Kenyan military), we can use force while farmers dont have the same power.

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Maxamed Kaahin Oo Isna Ka Ag Hilaacay Samaale Iyo Muuse Biixi, Kuna Dhawaaqay Inuu U Tartamayo Guddoomiye-Nimada Kulmiye *“Xisbiyadii Somalia Iyo Kuwo Somaliland Soo Maray-Ba Waxa Baabiiyey Hogaamiye Kaligii Doona In Talladu Ka Go’do” Maxamed Kaahin Hargeysa, February 18, 2013 (Haatuf) - Guddoomiye ku xigeenka Koowaad ee Xisbiga talada haya ee Kulmiye Maxamed Kaahin Axmed ayaa Shalay ku dhawaaqay inuu u tartamayo Jagada Musharax-nimada Guddoomiyaha Xisbiga Kulmiye. Maxamed Kaahin waxa uu sheegay in tartanka Guddoomiyaha xisbiga Kulmiye aanu ku koobnayn oo kaliya Muuse Biixi iyo C/Casiis Samaale, balse ay loolanka Guddoomiyaha ragga ku jiraa badan yihiin, isla-markaana uu isagu ka mid yahay siyaasiyiinta ku tartamaya in loo doorto Guddoomiyaha xisbigaas. Guddoomiye ku xigeenka 2-aad ee Kulmiye Muj Maxamed Kaahin ayaa waxa uu sidaas ku sheegay mar uu u waramayay Telefiishanka Qaranka Somaliland, kaas oo iclaamiyey in tiraba rag gaadhaya ilaa shan siyaasi oo uu ka mid yahay ay u diyaar-garoobeen tartanka Guddoomiyaha Xisbigaas, ugu horayna isaga oo damaciisa siyaasiga ah ka hadlaya, waxa uu yidhi “Anigaygan kula hadlayaa waxaan ka mid ahay ragga tartanka ugu jira kuraasta loo tartamayo ee Kulmiye oo waan u tartamayaa jagada Guddoomiye-nimada iyo Musharaxnimada Madaxwaynaha”. Sidoo kale Maxamed Kaahin Axmed, waxa uu ka digay in xisbiga Kulmiye uu burburkiisa sabab u noqdo hogaamiye talada kaligii maroorsada, waxaanu yidhi “Xisbiyadii Somalia iyo Somaliland-ba soo maray waxa baabiiyey hogaamiye kaligii doona in talladu ka go’do sida xisbigii SLN, xisbigii Kacaanka, LEEGO iyo UDUB, markaa waxaan jecelahay inaan Kulmiye noqon sidaasi oo kale”. It seems that Alpha might be right. The cows are fighting eachother.

At this stage the Kulmiye battle is between Muuse Biixi and Samaale. Both hail from same Habro and who ever wins, still has to disarm Xirsi and co.

oba hiloowlow;920561 wrote: Ina adeerow your my macallin QQ;) Inadeero,arday fiican ayaa tahay. macalinki Koobkii sanadkan waad ka qaaday.