Alpha, Inaar, How do you pick up girls at Wadada Calafka in Hargeysa?

Alpha Blondy;934940 wrote: should i post my pic, haatu? kulaha this a public FORUM ... Inaar, you already posted your picture on multiple occasions.

Haatu, you little susu sijui. Hands off from my inadeero Alpha. The real Alpha is in no way comparable with the 'attention' seeking online character here. Actually, in real life he is quite shy, introverted and a real gentleman. And a bit clannish though.

What I find most disturbing is that this issue is only debated by a very small group of elites rather then having the public debate that is needed on such an important issue. Running ahead of the pack could lead to a backlash.

Habarta Faalisada u ah marna Dumaashidiis ah oo maalmahan lagu arkayey Xarunta Madaxtooyadda ee Garoowe,iyadoo dab-qaad ku wadata Burjikadii Faalka. Xaaji, according to the article his fortune teller is from Hargeysa.

Somalia, thanks for posting the family pictures. I have those kind of pictures as well from my uncles in Cadan(Yemen) and (Arusha)Tanzania. But in all serieusness, nobody is denying that your family has lived there in Kismayo. But our only objection is the claim on the region and city as if its owned by particular clans.

It would explain some of Imaam Faroole's actions and gaffes.

Illyria;934527 wrote: Carafaat, You do not know that, so let us toss the speculations aside. Ilyria, I have read the constitution way before you started shopping in it. I actually did not ignore any of the sections of the Article, which is the reason I provided the Article in its entirety, but let us move on. You have ignored article 49.1 to 49.5, and are only justifying your little cause here by article 49.6((6) Based on a voluntary decision, two or more regions may merge to form a Federal Member State.) Let us not pontificate, but instead consider the provisions of the Article. a) Without the commission as in sub section 3, b) Without the Federal Member States as in sub section 4, c) Without the federal parliament determining the number and boundaries as in sub section 2, And I will set sub sections 5 and 6 to aside for now. Without these, the federal gov’t is toothless, lacks the needed political clout, and its role is up in the air to be interpreted as non-existence. Article 48(2) states that No single region can stand alone. Until such time as a region merges with another region(s) to form a new Federal Member State, a region shall be directly administered by the Federal Government for a maximum period of two years. The goverment isnt tootheless. It has the responsibility to appoint regional administration and directly administer the regions where there are no States yet. They have appointed the regional administration even for Bay and Bakool, (where there is also a process going on same as in Kismayo) to form a federal State. Even for Gedo where there is no State(yet). Middle Jubba is still occubied by Al Shabaab, and I assume they will apoint there an admin aas well. You would not be suggesting citizens should stay frozen in time and await MPs sitting in Mogadishu to determine their future, do you? If you are, then there are bigger issues than Juba. Nowhere does it state federal member states could not be formed, or have to wait until the government has put its act together. Juba leaders are actually helping the gov’t in doing what they gov’t could not do. Citizens should go about their business but should not be obstructing nor frustrate the goverment to do its work either. This has happened in Kismayo where goverment delegations were not allowed to land(earlier this year). As I said, this is not a constitutional argument, but a political and procedural one, and it is for the federal leadership to lead, or get out of the way. Let the Constitutional Court decide weather this is a political or constitutional issues. I understand one is already in the process of formation of the Constitutional Court. Also, existing and emerging Federal Member states have a role, as in sub section 4, and in other Articles where the federal gov’t must consult with member state in all major decision-making and engagements (this is a point not being discussed), but will prove thorny in time. I am sure this only goes for the existing and functioning States not those being formed now in all haste. More importantly, the constitution awards the final say to the citizens of the country via the federal parliament (MPs must do what the citizens want), and not political leaders in the executive , which is where I think your argument, tho’ well meaning, loses its marbles. Further, the formation of Federal Member states is up to the citizens as in Article 46, sub section 1, and not up to the gov’t as and when its institutions have been completed and it’d gotten its act together. I think this is where you and many others are loosing the plot. Large parts of Somalia are still occubied by Al Shabaab. This goes for Jubbaland as well, the largest city of Gedo(Baardhere) and of Middle Jubba(Bu'ale) is under control of Al Shabaab. Those citizens in the still occubied areas have every right to be heard, participate in the process of State building as well. One should try to talk with them rather then for them. No decisions should be taken without their involvement. So far we have only heard a the opinion of small elites. Thats why I think they are rushing the whole Jubbaland initiative. Now, I must note that the federal gov't has a role and responsibilities none of which had been assumed, and I hope it will in time, but for now it has not, which is a fact we cannot change. It is a gov't which only exists in name, but has no authority over its territories and citizens. As and when it had extended its authority and assumed its role, then we can have that conversation, but for now, it is futile. This goes for Jubbaland, it only exist in name. Actually the Federal Goverment has established its authority in numerous regions(Marka, Bay, Banadir, Beletweyn, Shabelle's, Gedo, etc) and hence our discussion why it should do the same in Kismayo. Now, Juba initiative started under the rein of president Shariif and ahead of the current gov't, and its legitimacy and mandate rests with its citizens. And one more time, as I said, this is a political issue - citizens have won, and the gov't missed a chance to lead. Citizens are still under occubation of Al Shabaab. See earlier comments regarding largest cities in the region. Let me ask you a question: what is your understanding of sub section 4 of Article 49? (4) The number and the boundaries of the districts in a Federal Member State shall be determined by a law enacted by the parliament of the Federal Member State, which must be approved by the House of the People of the Federal Parliament. Well as I undertand it, the law should be approved by the House of the People of the Federal Parliament. (Approval by the Upper House of the People is not possible, as there is no Upper House yet.)

xiinfaniin;934864 wrote: Separatist telling us who to deal with our president Aden Madone returning from visiting his President "Kenyatta" in Nairobi. When was the last time he visited Mogdishu and paid a visit to his real President, horta?

Tallaabo, exactly my point. I posted this as example how certain folks in Somalia should deal with their President and Prime-Minister, not as clan representatives but as the Heads of Somalia's goverment even if you dont agree with them.

He is the President of that particular region and traditional elders, politicians of whatever clan pay their visit to the President, irrelevent of his clan affilitation or his particular (clan) policies. Take note, this is called governance. Lets try to do the same in Somalia. I suggest Aden Madobe and other Jubbalanders go to Mogadishu and visit President Hassan, rather then Kenyatta.

MADAXWAYNAHA DAWLAD DEEGAANKA SOMALIDA ITOOBIYA OO MAANTA XAFIISKIISA KU QAABILAY SALAADIIN IYO CUQAAL KAMIDA DEEGAANKA LAANQAYRTA April 5, 2013 - Written by ahmed Jig Jiga (BLM ):-Madaxweynaha Dawlad degaanla Somalida Itoobiya(DDSI) Mudane Cabdi Maxamuud Cumar ayaa maanta xafiiskiisa ku qaabiley Suldaan Xuseen X. Cabdi Cabdilaahi oo ka socday deegaanka laan qayrta waxaana socdaalkiisa ku wehelinayay Cuqaal iyo Oday dhaqmeedyo, suldaan xuseen iyo madaxweynaha DDSI Cabdi Maxamuud Cumar ayaa si qoto dheer uga wada hadley arimo badan oo ay kow ka ahayd nabad galyada iyo sidii loo sii dar dargalin lahaa gabi ahaanba Amaanka deegaankaasi kulanka ayaa madaxwaynuhu waxaa uu aad ugu mahad celiyey Suldaan Xuseen kaasi oo ku amaanay suldaanka doorka balaadhan ee uu ka qaato sidii loo adkeyn lahaa nabad galyada deegaanadaasi iyo sida uu ugu howlgalo sidii dadka deegaanka laanqayrtu u heli lahaa guud aahaanba wixii ay u baahan yihiin madaxweynaha ayaa dhankiisa balan qaaday in ay qayb weyn ka qaadan doonaan sidii dadka deegaankaasi la iskugu soo dhaweyn lahaa isla markaana ay ugu wada noolaan lahaayeen si nabad ah waxaa kale oo uu intaasi madaxweynuhu ku darey in magaalada Laanqeyrta mashaariic lagu horumarinayo deegaankaasi Laga fulindoono. Suldaan Xuseen X. Cabdi Cabdilaahi ayaa waxaa uu madaxweynaha ugu mahadceliyey soo dhaweynta balaadhan ee uu ku qaabiley iyo safarkii uu madaxweynuhu ku yimid magaaladda Laanqeyrta waxaanu suldaanku xusay in ay mihiimtahay in la iska kaashado sidii loo wada sugi lahaa amaanka DDSI ka madax dhaqmeed ahaana ay ka Go”antahay sidii ay qaybtooda ugu qaadan lahaayeen ilaalinta iyo sugida amaanka Suldaan Xuseen X. Cabdi Cabdilaahi waxaa uu madaxweynaha ku amaanay sidii Daacada iyo Cadaaliga ahayd ee uu intii xilka hayay uu ka qabtey deegaanka Soomaalida iyo isbedelada Horumarineed ee ii ka hirgaliyey. kulan kan ayaa ah mid daba socday Safar uu madaxweynaha DDSI Cabdi Maxamuud Cumar uu ku soo marey deegaano ay ka mid ahayd maagaalada laanqeyrta kaasi oo kulan la qaatey waxgaradka iyo duqayda magaalada Laan-qeyrta isla markaana la isla soo qaaday arimo badan oo ku qotomay xidhiidhka wada shaqeyneed la iskuna af gartey sidii looga wada shaqayn lahaa ka qaybqaadashada Horumarka,nabad gelyada iyo maamulka Suuban.Hadaba kulankan ayaa ah mid sii socondoono isla markaana dhamaystirkiisa loo balamay Baligubadlemedia.com

Jacpher;934826 wrote: Yes that same hope of President Hassan you're celebrating for makes many in Siilaanyo circles piss on their pants. Somalia will be one nation under the watch of Hassan, that's for sure. No more secessionism. Then why dont you support the President in his endevours or atleast say a prayer with us here.

Apophis;934819 wrote: I was born in Mogadishu and I never supported Somalia to be ripped in half, can you say the same ya jacbuur? You think people are going to forget all those years you were stripping for S/L?? Give it up. Sure, if you say so. But stop parading around for Kenya and Kikuyu and start supporting your President and your country Somalia then.

Allow dhowr Madaxweynaha oo guul uga dhig nabadeynta Somalia. Amiin

The Zack;934805 wrote: Carafat, no no u were claiming we where settlers. Busted! The settlers are in this case you and Apophis. Neither of you is from Somalia.

Somalia: Inclusivity, Acrimony and the Pressing National Priority Somalising the Jubba-****** Currently, Somalia faces an abnormal political reality. It is a failed state. What applies to functioning states may not apply to Somalia. But that does not mean we should accept the abnormal as normal simply because the circumstances we face are abnormal. We should aspire for the normal and should embrace it on every occasion it reemerges. It is abnormal to have your President and Parliament guarded by foreign troops. It is abnormal to see national leaders who consult foreign states to decide on simple local administrative matters. But it is also abnormal to have citizens who decry the involvement of their President in local governance issues, yet applaud foreign meddling. In the case of Kismaayo, the ****** community in Jubba needs to understand that it is part of Somalia, not Kenya. Part of the de-Somalising of the Jubba-******s, which manifests itself in the form of unfounded references to ONLF every time a Jubba-******i man or women asks for a political share in the Jubbas, comes from the community’s incapacity to ‘nationalize’ its politics. One way of ‘nationalizing’ the ****** community’s politics is for them to accept that President Hassan, as the leader of Somalia, has a legitimate role in the governance of Kismaayo. If there are grievances, the community should take it to Villa Somalia, not the State House in Nairobi. The sovereignty principle, which should be the cornerstone of our political morality, must not be sacrificed for clan agenda. Read more... http://wardheernews.com/Articles_12/October/Muktar/24_Inclusivity_acrimony_&_national_priority.html Muktar M. Omer WardheerNews Contributor E-Mail:muktaromer@ymail.com Apophis and Zack, Just read this interesting article from our own 'Mucktar'. Read his advice towards your folks, maybe you will take his advice rather then mine. Nobody is denying your(Somali-Kenyans and Somali-Ethiopians) kinship to the O folks in Jubbaland, but you need to understand that Somalia's souvereignity is quite sacred to us. And we will never accept Kismayo being ruled from Nairobi and its leaders( like "Madoba" has been doing recently) taking dictates from Kenyatta rather then from Mogadishu.

Naxar Nugaaleed;934700 wrote: ^ the constitution doesn't say don't fly to the moon but we can't lol. What it does say is that two or more regions can form their own federal states. If their are serious about this not sense, let appoint people to hargeisa, garowe, taleex and southern galkacyo. I think they will do that as soon as the finish the regions vacated by Al Shabaab. They already appointed admins for Hiiraan, Bay, Bakool, Lower and Middle Shabbele's, Gedo. Coming weeks they will appoint an admin for Lower and Middle Jubba. Followed by Galmudug and Mudug. This would mean the end of Ahlu Sunna Ya Jammaca, Ximan iyo Xeeb, Galmudug, the end of the division between Northers and Southers Galkacyo and Mudug. And a return to normallacy, inshallah kheyr. Tusbaxii kala daatay, dib ayaa la iskugu toliyaa.

Baashi, good questions saxiib. I just arrived at work and shall respond later in the evening.

Baashi, you cant possibly expect the Federal Goverment to give in so soon. They have already appointed the Shabbele, Gedo, Hiiraan, Bay and Gedo admins. Next step is to appoint the admins for Middle and Lower Jubba. The Federal Goverment has also already started to establish the Judiciary, this is a necessity, in order to give judicial clarification which this issue is. And actually its the Parliament that has to appoint the Federal States Committee, to draw up the borders and mandates of State and come up with recommendations.(See article 49.1 to 49.5). Calan baa shalay meel laga taagay clearly isnt enough leverage.

STOIC;934448 wrote: Giving the popular flights and pictures we are bombarded with here , why do i have a feeling the intensity with which this state is formed is going to be REAL and that there is nothing the Federal government in Mogadishu can do about it? its about time the FG should convey good faith and concesions methink..Sad to say, but most indications suggest that this state will be formed without the blessing of the government in Mogadishu, so don't you think it is time to come up with another strategy that could work as a peaceful solution? STOIC, a small group of dissidents are merely digging themselves into deeper trenches. That isnt enough to force the federal goverment on its knees. It takes more then that.

Ilyria, I have read the constitution way before you started shopping in it. You have ignored article 49.1 to 49.5, and are only justifying your little cause here by article 49.6((6) Based on a voluntary decision, two or more regions may merge to form a Federal Member State.). Clearly 49.6 is subject to the earlier mentioned articles, which give the mandate to the Federal Goverment.

xiinfaniin;934481 wrote: Forum readership are noticing how xiinfaniin-centric you've become It is not healthy... Saxiib, what you have been posting the last few days is very unhealthy. I cant just ignore that. P.S. I shall await your respond on the thread.

Xiinfaniin for sure wont deny this if Garowe online reports it. http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/Somalia_27/Somali_war_linked_to_brewing_oil_dispute.shtml "Kenya's involvement in southern Somalia was designed to gain the upper hand on offshore oil block concessions that rightfully belong to Somalia as stipulated in the 1982 U.N. Law of the Seas convention," said Abdillahi Mohamud, director of the East African Energy Forum.

http://www.twf.org/News/Y2011/1122-SYLoil.pdf Reliable sources in Kenya and Somali governments confirm that Kenya has been pushed by Norway , which has long time dream of the war-torn country’s oil resources. A Kenyan official who declined to be named told Wagoshanewsthat Nairobi authorities received millions of dollars from the Norwegian government to attack southern Somalia in the pretext of fighting against Al-Shabab. “The Norwegian was angry with Somali parliament’s recent decision of rejecting a plan aimed at changing Somalia ’s sea boundaries that could allow Norway to drill free of charge oil from the region”, added the official. Since 2006 Norway has been making efforts to find an opportunity of drilling Somalia oil, but according to Somali politicians, Norwegians have been looking for dodgy deals that will give them rights to benefit from Somalia resources.