What is very strange is that those who were supporting this un-transpatent and secretive process are now saying things have changed, 9 montgs later? Abdiwali has hidden the constitution for months from the public? Did his goverment change it in that period? Xiinfaniin please clearfy when the pirates have been mugged.

Nuune and Xiinfaniin, odayaal Somaliya ayaa tihiin. Odayaasha Somaliyeed waxa lagu yaqana qabyalad iyo iney qof kasta oo ka fikir duwan caay iyo aflagaadeeyaan. When short of arguments and reason. So I will take the name calling as a compliment.

Ilyria, the Puntland Electoral Law and System looks exactly like that of Somaliland and not like that of the US. The biggest diffrence being that in Somaliland the Executive appoints 3 of the 7 members of the Electoral Committee the other 4 are appointed by Parliament and Guurti. Anyonw who has followed the SL elections knows it were these independent members of the Electoral Commitee that have puched for a transparent process giving the opposition parties a fair chance. Which made it possible for the best man to win the elections.

http://www.e-ir.info/2012/09/02/revisiting-the-un-controlled-constitution-making-process-for-somalia/ Revisiting the UN-Controlled Constitution-Making Process for Somalia Conclusion From its inception, Somalia’s constitution-making process was deeply flawed. The process was designed, funded and controlled by UNPOS, with help from the regional organization IGAD and the neighbouring countries. Originally, the constitution-making process aimed at keeping the politicians at bay. Ironically, the process ended up in the hands of six unrepresentative Somali politicians and the SRSG of the UN. These seven individuals have dominated the constitution-making process of Somalia. They have excluded civic, political and Islamist forces; they have secretly and hastily negotiated on the articles of the constitution; and they have imposed a poor draft through a sham process by creating a puppet constituent assembly. As a result of this political expediency, secrecy and haste, both the IFCC and CoE which were tasked to prepare the draft and many civic and political forces distanced themselves from the UN-controlled constitution-making process. In short, flawed processes lead to illegitimate outcomes – and this has proved to be the case with the UN-led constitution-making process in Somalia. More problematic is that besides the failure to regulate individual, institutional and group disputes, there is an increased risk of further conflicts, particularly if plans to establish the second chamber are implemented.

I wonder if other articles have been changed as well, except for the ones presented here by Puntland, 8 months after the constitution was adopted?? This issue raises many many questions regarding the whole constitutional process and thus constitution itself.

Ilyria, the right question you should be asking is why does Faroole appoint a majority of the Electoral Committee? And can you have fair elections when a majority of the Electoral Committee is appointed by Faroole? The opposition clearly says no(your own source above)? What is your opinion on this matter?

The Electoral Committee consist of 9 members (atleast one resigned), Faroole appointed the majority of members(5) and the opposition object to 4 of those members. I suggest you read your own Puntland source and critisize Faroole for this "fair" process. Carafaat is not to blame for that.

Che, you are the one who has replaced Duke these days as Puntlands spin master. Puntland politics doent look good. So i understand why you are so angry.

Adeer, please post the rest of that comment. So one can see the context and topic in discussion. You only copy and pasted part of my comment! Which was about his refusal to attend Londen and I havent said the constitution was not changed, just like havent said no houses were looted in xamar. I said Faroole uses an excuses to get political leverage. Jubbaland baryahan dhiiga ayee kugu kicisay oo maradii waa tuurtay. Adeer bisinka qabso oo ka fogoow clan stateskan aad tageerisid, Somaliya xal u ma aha. Taa iga qaado. Now back to thread. Who changed it, when and why? Why are you so eager to ignore these very relevent questions? For sure it wasnt Hasan Sheick, who was first accused in diffrent media. Dont you want to know who changed it?

nuune;944866 wrote: And now you want to know when was the constitution changed and who done it , why dismiss it earlier if you want to find out who changed and when, can you see yourself horta!! This is the most relevent question in this topic and it still stands adeer irrelevent if you dismiss it or not and why you would want to dismiss this simple question.

Why dont you post the rest of that comment. Then one can read that comment is about his refusal to attend Londen conference. Editing my comment like that and leaving the rest out in order to take it out of context is not something one would expect from you. But again a clear sign of your clear tribalist mentality and support for the clan state. Ever since I started discussing Jubbaland you have been mad at me adeer. But Carafaat will continue to undressed that ugly Kikuyu project you been supporting lately, because I dont belief Kenyas involvement in Kismayo is not in Somalias interest

Someone should tell that to these people who accuse Jawaari of throwing the Somali people in the dark. http://jubbalanddf.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1260:jawaari-oo-maanta-mugdi-galiyay-midnimadii-ummada-soomaaliyeed&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=50

Nuune, I am still waiting for the proof that I have dismissed the constitution being changed. Adeer, like Oodweyne wrote these days you clear tribalist ideologies are very obvious and clear to see. baryahan maradii waa tuurtay, ee is astur bahasha maro ku qari. Marka wax ku hadlisidna cadeen la imoow. Waa iga talo adeer.

Che -Guevara;944856 wrote: Even Nuune sees the duplicity of Carafaat's actions. Che, our residential Pirate in disguis. Typical example of the pot calling the kettle black.

nuune;944852 wrote: ^^ All I am saying to you is, why is this so important to you when the news came out the other day you dismissed it as a Puntland Process of getting recognition or Qeylo Dhaanta Puntland(QDHP), another word, you denied that any changing took place, and here you want to discuss it again, niyahow one waji la imoow dee meel laguu raaco malahan, gadgadoonka badan ma fiicna INAAR Adeer, you are accusing me of commenting earlier on this topic. Which I havent. I have commented only on Puntlands refusal to go to Londen conference. Please post the comments that i have denied the constitution being changed.

Nuune, these are serious accusations. So its only fair to ask these questions. One might almost think you dont want these serious questioned answered and get to the bottem of things.

Nuune, its very important to know when the constitution was "changed", where in the process did this took place and who was responsible for it. We know atleast that it wasnt under Hassan Sheick's watch like some wanted us to belief. For he was elected after the constitution was presented to Parliament.

Very serious accusation if its true that some where innocent students.

Who changed it? And when did this happen exactly?

We need to develop a just, fair and proper justice system. Otherwise we might risk creating more unjust(xaqdaro) then justice(xaq) and this will in return lead to a more unjust society, which led to movements as Al Shabaab in the first place.

Xaaji Xunjuf;944822 wrote: Khatumo is in support of Jubbaland now doubt but Puntland is not in support of Khatumo why is that. Puntland fights for the federal rights of jubbaland but not for khatumos self rule why is that what makes Khatumo different than Jubbaland? Khatumo folks show solidarity with tolka. But Puntland thinks Khatumo undermines pirates chances for Somalias leadership.

oba hiloowlow;944732 wrote: not surprised instead of bing busy with the shimbirayahow heesa meeting they should prioritize the security, Al shabaab has bases just outside the city. Its a pity that Jubbaland initiative puts so much focus on the political pirate business rather then freeing the Baardhere and Buale from Al Shabaab, the biggest cities of Gedo and Middle Jubba. And the 2nd and 3rd biggest of Jubbaland.

Xaaji Xunjuf;944681 wrote: What about Khaatumo state are they not allowed to sleep in the big tent Yaa Xiin? Khatumo has undermined the 'pirates' chance for the leadership of Somalia while Jubbaland increases the share of the pirates in a Federal Somalia. Hence why Puntlanders are so eager to establish another pirate branch in Jubbaland.

Faroole appointed 5 of the 9 members of Puntland "Electoral Committee". The oppositions knows there wont be fair eledtions with such a partial Electoral Committee. http://goobta.com/?p=1505 http://puntlandvoice.com/madaxweyne-faroole-oo-magacaabay-gudiga-doorashooyinka-puntland/