Marxuum Cigaal -Nabarka gaadhey midnimada at the Somali Reconciliation Conference in Djibouti, 1992

BBC: Tariikhdii iyo Tacsi President Egal(AUN)

Xaaji, there to many so called Somali leaders who visited one after another International Somalia conference or filled in diffrent kind of positions, but never took the trouble to visit actual Somali communities within Somalia. They regard visiting or engaging with local communities as backword. For they are the true ignorent and backword!Shame on the elite and for keeping Somalia 24 years in the dark.

Illyria;945705 wrote: Oodweyne, I would agree President Hasan's 5 pillar plan was supported, but, as I read it, the thorny issue of Kismayo has been taken over by IGAD. Once the confidence building mission ends, IGAD owns the process and will come upon with a list of requirements only consulting the FG as needed, but the ownership is gone. Ilyria, your analysis is incorrect. Read Baashi's comment. the process in Kismayo was not owned by the Somali federal goverment but mainly a Kenyan driven process(under IGAD flag) and now it will be given back to the Somali Federal goverments after ALL IGAD member countries visit the region and devise a strategy to bring this initiative, that got out of hand, back within the mandate of the Somali Federal goverment. A particular gentleman within the Secretariat of IGAD will now have all the countries looking in to his project that got out of hand.the visit will restore IGAD's good name and outline the initiative with the rest of the Somali Federal goverment.

What the elites in Xamar and those is Kismayo failed to understand is that reconciliation should A bottem-up process, starting in the micro localities/communities level (districts, village). And consist of Resolving issues and agreeing on clear rules and way of living together, governing common public goods. And does not mean reconciliation is about power sharing between political clan blocks or dividing chairs and positions Among 4.5 blocks.

Xaaji, that iis not true. Even Dr.Gaboose folks are known as Dhirta in Mudug. Why deny the ancestoral and Historic connection between people?

I actually only know Marka, Mogadishu and Jamaame. Can anyone list all the places where the Duriyad live in Somalia.

This thread is dedicated to the Duuriyad country in Somalia. The land of the Dhirta Koonfur, the offspring of Binu Hashim and the cousins of Somaliland.

Alpha, we need to support the southern Duuriyad. Why the hell should we confine ourselves to Somaliland when we got so many inadeeros and beero in Somalia.

malistar2012;945429 wrote: " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> A true Somali hero.

Suldaanka;945795 wrote: Faroole is digging a hole for himself and his fella Pirates. Yes, he is. And unfortunately there is little Puntlanders can do about it. Cause then othey would have to choose between opposing Faroole (create a sustainable Puntland) and follow Faroole (create a leverage and a place within Somalia). Most would choose the later over the desert of Bari/Nugaal.

Nin-Yaaban;945751 wrote: Mad Mullah, added to the Ignore list and also reported to the Admin. +1 the mullah crossed lines here.

xiinfaniin;945726 wrote: Actually the shir is almost done. One clan's delegates are not completely in , the campaign of the top office goes on. How many planes are needed to carry the Gedo boys?

Oodweyne and Gabbal are right, the communique says the Somali is responsible for State building in Somalia.even with the IGAD mission to Lower Jubba, its still the goverment responsible for constructing a viable regional admins for lower, middle jubba and Gedo. And not IGAD.

Is she married or single? Any background?

Good news. The Africans got the message loud and clear. Sour message for kikuyes though.

She is gorgeous.

MMA, that aint a mini-waterfall, its hught. Saw something like that once, the Blue Nile water in Bahar Dar.

Xaaji, Somalia had many diffent nagional clan reconciliation conferences. I am talking about genuine local and regional reconliation conferemcea. First in on district level, from the local you take it then to the Provincial and then on intra-regional level (Jubbaland, Shabbele's, Bay-Bakool, and central Somalia (Mudug, Galgaduud, Hiiraan). From there on you would have enough input and gothered the opinion and cooperation of all Somalis to finalize the State structures and 'correct'/finalize constitution.

Thanks for the correction. They are right not to discuss internal issues at an international conference. Somalia has moved past that stage.

The debate regarding Somalias future State structure has a long way to go. Eventhough the constitution provides it with a framework, many issues remained unanswered in the constitution. Regarding the kind of Central and Regional Authorities Somalia will have, their mandate, who has the initiative regarding creating security, creating regional structures. From Ceelwaq, to Ceelbur all the way to Cabudwaaq, locals have never been asked to give their input regarding how to solve the security issues in their region and how to cooperate with regional and central authority. From Barawe, to Baidoa all the way to Beletweyn local factions are competiting for the regional authority in the region and thus administration. Many of these local disbutes have a history that goes back for decades. The central goverment needs to install the National reconciliation committee (according to the constitution), the goverment in cooperation with the committee should facilitate and organise reconciliation conferences in all districts of Somalia, with the main theme of how to resolve (local security), facilitate local agreements between communities, facilitate cooperation between local and regional and central authorities, come with input and recommendations regarding governance issues. Before any steps are taken in to completing the constitution and implementing state structures(House of Elders/States) the goverment should hold real and genuine local and regional reconcilitiations. In order to give constituties the chance to participate in the national set-up of State structures and finalisation of the constitution. For to long many debated about Somalia, without really engaging Somalis throughout Somalia. The reconciliation should conteibute to create local, regional and a central Goverment for and by the people.

I dont think you should rent. Try to obtain an old goverment building and renovate it.

Previous goverments have made the mistake not to act like a real goverment, from Ali Mahdi to Sheick Shariif all have acted like they are representatives of sub-clans rather then of the goverment, thus excersising no authority at all and booking no results. Kudos to the first recongnized goverment to act like a real goverment, speak with one voice and taking a stand. We will judge them by content and results rather then clan formulas.

Naxar Nugaaleed;945609 wrote: Carafaat, a conference intended to bring Somalis together is not foreign policy. Its not a reconciliation conference but rather an international donor conference.

xiinfaniin;945595 wrote: There are also other issues including lack of consultations with political stakeholders on the Conference's agenda. So Puntland's boycott is justified in my opinion. Xiin, Puntland was not even invited but was however consulted by Hasan Sheick in his recent trip to Garowe. Goverment represents Somalia but consults regional actors. Foreign policy is the sole domein of the central goverment. This is according to the constitution of the country.