Well each person considers his own morals superior. And therefor you have to respect eachother despite the diffrences. And if a donor wants to condition aid with his own morals. Then one should say, shove it back to where it came from.

Guys, back to the topic. The thread is about conditionalities for receiving Aid. Irrelevant of your own personal morals, beliefs and value's. Its paternalistic, degrading and moraly wrong to condition aid to moral issues(which are universally not shared) that have nothing to do with the the aid request. It's like, giving aid to somebody only if that person prays with me. You can not oppose your own beliefs, morals and value's on someone.

AMISOM and Kenya have both mandate of the TFG. Which Parliament? Who elected them?

I hoped our 3 star General Duke could explain why Puntland isnt fighting Al Shabaab?

I dont think Shukaansi threads belong in the Political Section.

xiinfaniin;755854 wrote: Waryaa iga baro; 1- On TFG, I have not said anything new. It is what I have been telling you all along, but again you have no center, so arguing against puppet arguments is what you naturally excel. 2- As for Alshabaab, the strategy to defeat them will not be based on calling every country who is willing to invade Somalia and fight Alshabaab to come in and do what they think fit. That is madness. Alshabaab call in foreign fighters to come in and support them. What you have been supporting unwittingly is to mimic Alshabaab's own strategy. Only difference being they call individuals, you are calling states and foreign armies just to defeat one single organization . 3- How to defeat alshaab lies in strengthening (gradually) the capacity of TFG,pushing alshabaab out of the capital, and establishing real, effective governance in areas they vacated in xamar. That has been the case, and the TFG was progressing quite rapidly , there was a positive attention for Somalia, and there was a political track with a reasonable transition time table to hope for. All of that is disrupted, a new army is on Somalia's soil with a zero regard to sovereignty in the name of fighting alshabaab, and you fall for it. ps. Duke made good diagnosis, and they are relevant and deserve consideration Al Shabaab was pushed from Xamar with the help of American mercenaries and 12.000 AMISOM troops who led the fighting and set-up more then 24 military bases and dozens of military checkpoints in the last couple of months!(after 4 years of only guarding the Port, Airport and Villa Somalia). So the achievement you mention are clearly not something the TFG can take credit for. So why oppose that those Somali's fighting Al Shabaab in their biggest strong hold of the Jubba's and Kismaayo, get some help from the Kenyans?

I think its drawIng for political satire purposes made by Amiin.

A rebuffle of the arguments used against Azania -Aznia was created in Kenya. Wanst the TFG created in Kenya? -Clan project created by Ghaandi. Ghaandi's sub-clans dont even live in The Jubba's. And the elders of more then 20 diffrent clans who are from Jubba's have supported the project after holdong months o Od dialogue. -Azania en Ghaandi's only serve Kenya's interest. Abdullahi Yusuf and TFG were also serving Ethiopia's interest, but they Failed to even get hold on Moqdishu. If the TFG did its job and brought peace and governance, Somali's wouldnt even mind if it also serves some foreign interest(Uganda, Ethiopia, Kenya, USA, etc. ). -Azania will cooperate with Ethiopia ans will also handover ONLF fighters to Ethopia. So far it hasnt. And even if it did, its clearly the cost for maintaining good and peacefull relations with Ethiopia. Something which is in the interest of Somalia at the moment. -Ghandi lost his job in the TFG and with Azania hopes to get in power. As a Minister of Defense Ghaandi refused to bring the trained Somali soldiers in Kenya to the chaotic Muqdishu who's 20.000 were barely fighting and He thouht the Jubba's needed those soldiers. Now those soldiers are fighting in the Jubba's anyway. So the tactical assement he was fired for, is now implemented anyway. -He brought Kenya's soldiers to Somalia. Wasnt Yeey riding on a Ethiopian tank and Sheick Shariid in a Ugandese tank. -He has no mandate from the TFG. Who gave the TFG the mandate? A room full of self appointed Somali's in a Kenyan Hotel. Well Ghandi has also mandate from some Somali delegates gathered in a Kenyan Hotel. -Ghandi's is only supported by the O-clan. Well the O-minister in the TFG who hails from Jiubba region who opposed Azania is supported by no one not even the O-people. And probably he has been fired by now or changes during one of the many re shuffles The fact that most you opposed it, is a clear sign it even might work. As all else you guys have suppoirted ended in failures.

Ghanddi is indeed a smart Politician. After he securred Kenyan support and doing the Kenyans. The dirty job of fighting Al Shabaab, he is now already working on the next phase. Which is re-assuring Ethiopia and showing them Azaniia is no danger to Ethiopia. By this he hopes to secure Ethiopian support and that Ethiopia doesnt create an competing Maamul. And by having securing Kenyan as well Ethiopiian support, he has created a contra power for Kenyan interference. Odaygan mare hore ayaan sheegay, waxan kale wuu ka horeeya.

Xaaji Xunjuf;755646 wrote: It's true the garowe Clan enclave has done little in the fight against Alshabaab or other Militants in the south. The Garowe Clan enclave has done more damage to the TFG than success the Majority of the Politicians in the Garowe Clan enclave just see the TFG as a legal political institution they can use for their own political gains it's just an opportunity they don't want to let go.The Moment the TFG goes against the interest of the Garowe Clan enclave they will drop all support for the TFG just like faroole did previously. Other than Fighting Local Maakhirian clans in the galgala region whom they accused they had links with Alqaeda and Alshabaab.No fighting occurred against alshabaab other than saying they are with sharif and the TFG in hearts and mind but than again the Puntlanders are known for not fighting their own battles let alone fighting another Mans Battle. They let others fight their battle's The Ethiopians saracen and now faroole is inviting in Amisom so that they can secure the Galkacyo region for him. Xaaji, you have point there. Therefor its not logic for the TFG to let it be dictated by Puntland or a Prime MInister from Puntland leading the Goverment, who doesnt care about whats is going on and leaves the country for the Hajj at the most crucial moment of Somalia.

Most probably he is going to meet King Abdullulah and get a standard traditional Royal Saudi gift of cash dollars.

Wasiirka gaashaandhiga dowlada KMG Soomaaliya iyo wefdi uu horkacayo ayaa ku wajahan gobolada Jubbooyinka Raisalwasaare xigaha ahna wasiirka difaaca dowlada KMG Soomaaliya Xuseen Carab Ciise iyo wefdi uu hogaaminayo ayaa kusii jeedo gobolada Jubbooyinka gaar ahaan deegaanadii dhawaantan lagala wareegay Xarakada Alshabaab. Wasiirka gaashaandhiga ayaa socdaalkiisa waxaa ku weheliyo saraakiil ciidan oo uu kamid yahay taliyaha ciidamada khalabka sida ee Soomaaliyeed Jeneraal C/qaadir Sheekh Cali Diini, wefdiga uu wasiirku horkacayo ayaa waxa ay booqan doonaan deegaano ay kamid yihiin Taabta, Qooqaani, Buurhowdle iyo deegaano u dhow magaalada Afmadow oo ay ku suganyihiin ciidamada dowlada KMG Soomaaliya, kuwa Kenya iyo weliba ciidamada Raaskambooni oo is garabsanaya. Raisalwasaare kuxigeenka ahna wasiirka gaashaandhiga dowlada KMG Soomaaliaya iyo wefdiga la socda ayaa waxa ay qayb ka ahaayeen wefdi ballaaran oo uu hogaaminayay raisalwasaaraha xukuumada KMG Dr. C/weki Maxamed oo dhawaantan safar ugu amba baxay dalka Kenya heshiisna kulasoo saxiixday magaalada Nairobi dowlada Kenya. Booqashada wasiirka gaashaandhiga Soomaaliya ayaa u muuqato mid ay dowlada KMG ku muujineyso inay ayada hormuud u tahay dagaalada Jubbooyinka ka socdo balse waxaa la ogsoonyahay in dowlada Kenya ay ciidamo badan oo ku hubeysan diyaaradaha dagaalka iyo gaadiidka milatariga soo gelisay deegaanada gobolada Jubbooyinka iyo weliba deegaano katisan gobolka Gedo oo ku dherersan xuduuda labada dal. http://baidoamedia.com/?p=12877

Kudos to the Somaliland Police. They are funny and sometimes harsh folks.

Omar12, that could be legitime reason only if it were true. But Puntland has earned hundred of millions on Piracy money and hostage money. And the Puntland authorities earned money on contract with foreign companies for fisheries rights in Somali waters and oil exploration.

burahadeer;755624 wrote: now you added erigabo to the ssc list.Burao is already run by ssc In Berbera there are many who hail clan wise from SSC. So why not include Berbera in this SSC get together if Burco is included.

Gheelle, I seem to have touched a sensitive issue as you are reacting so emotional. But still its a legitime questions. Can you give an answer? A_Khadar, Somaliland doesnt consider itself to be part of Somalia. But Puntland does, it even holds the PM seat and Puntland even gets a lio share of the TFG's resources.

Somalia is involved in a deadly battle against Al Shabaab. Somali's are fighting Al Shabaab in all corners of Somalia. The Gedo folks are fighting Al Shabaab and drove them out from most districts, in the Jubba's Azanians are fighting a leatle battle alongside Kenya, Muqdishu folks are marching towards Jowhar, ASWJ has been fighting al Shabaab for years now, even the Minister of Defense (who is from Somaliland) is in the frontline of the battle right now in Gedo. Now the questions is, why isnt Puntland taking part in the struggle for Somalia's liberation? And why isn't Puntland fighting Al Shabaab? Puntlanders are holding the PM seat, get a lot of support and funding from TFG, even the TFG's Police and Marine training centre are based in Puntland and still they are not involved in the fighting, not sending their sons to the battlefield, not taking part in the struggle to liberate Al Shabaab from Somalia for once and all?

Baashi;755418 wrote: ^True. On the topic, I must say it's refreshing to see a Somali starting and heading research and information center dedicated to monitoring, analyzing, and correcting lopsided misinformation about Somalis in the world media. I am sure with time Liban Egal will modify his views on secession. oo ma wuxu yiri secessionist ayaan ahay?

Iminka ma waxa leedihiin wiilka yar ee fish chipska oo siiba kasoo jeeda Somaliland ayaa dawladii Somalia oo siiba dagaal adag ku jirta lagaga tagay?

Waa Abtigiis abtigii.

The biggest loosers are not the banks but rather the European's who are now confronted with the bill in the form of increasing debts per capita and private debts in the form of large mortgage debts. They are slowly realizing that for to long they have been living on large foot not realizing it wasnt their own wealth they were spending. Africa can come out as the real winner with a real economy based on reality, which they and the world have undervalued for to long. To bad they still dont realize what they really are worth.

Xaaji Xunjuf, niyow sidaa ha u aflagadeen Suldaanka Guud ee Somaliland, Suldaan Maxamed Suldaan Cabdiqaadir Suldaan Cabdilaahi.

Despite everything Somali's have experienced they are one of the most resilient and optimistic people in the world.

Couple years back in Berbera, I saw this camel with a big belly and asked some people, "Geelku ma uur buu leeyahay".