Do you agree that TFG and therefor its 4.5 is an obstacle for this viable option.

NGONGE;758324 wrote: ^^ Good idea. But how many functioning regional adminstrations are there today? I can think of PL only. The others are all mostly on paper (and SL is not playing). I am not a Political scientist. But regionalism focuses on the interests, greater influence and common political power of a particular region. In Somalia(except for Bari and Nugaal as you state) different clans and sub-clans live together side by side in all the region and cities. So this means that in order to form a regional authority there has to be cooperation between the people within a region and people need to transcend clans on local/regional level and seek commonalities. But how can they do that, if they are already divided by the TFG's so called 4.5 in diffrent clan blocks? How can people from clan x,y and z work together for a peacefull regon, common regional administration and transcend clan, when they are divided in Clan blocks A,B,C on national level? Somalia as we knew it has been destroyed, it needs to be rebuild from the ground up. That means the fundements of the society(the regions not to the clans) have to be strengthend, region's governing bodies have to be set up, political powers brought back to the people, by promote decentralization, develop a more rational allocation of the resources for benefit of the local populations, increase efficient implementation of local development plans, raise competitiveness levels among the regions and ultimately this the road to rebuild the whole country. I understand Regionalism is associated with the opposite of universalism. And if clan is everything and therefor universalistic, then I rather choose for the opposite, the smaller, mini version and therefor the local version of it.

Adeer, the TFG and its clan formula exist since 2004 and so far only the President and PM Sub-sub-sub clan show any enthousiasm for the TFG. So we can easly assume that the majority Of Somali's dont support the TFG and neither feel represented by their clan blocks. That Somali's are clannish is a fact. And I am not opposing clan as instrument of participation, but there should be something else next to it. Indeed Something that can unite the divded clans. And I think we need to seek the solution in Regionalism.

The Zack;758260 wrote: Crimes are crimes regardless if they were ordered by a president or by a kaabbo qabiil. We have no problem if the criminals are being brought to "justice" ( I have yet to see a single person on trial for any Somali crime by the way, even after 20 years. maybe in 100?), what we have problem is the inconsistency of the accusations. If you are going to blame Kacaankii, don't tie it to specific qabiil. Many Somalis have worked for Siyad, bring them all to justice. At least start with the ones in town. The funnies thing is when the employees of the Kacaanka claim that they want their employers on trial. Good example, Riyaale and Siilaanyo. They both worked for Kacaankii and deserve to be tried. Don't you think? The committee hasnt even started and you assume already that your lot is guilty.

Bluelicious;758217 wrote: I'm gonna hit someone :mad: Why?

Is allbanaadir.com pro TFG?

I wouldnt be suprised if some of the guilty ones ended behind bars. Even in the US they are not safe.

Peace is sweet and the city of Erigavo is enjoying its taste.

Nice pictures. Cant wait to visit my birth city of Muqdishu and be welcomed with open hands. Those who have committed treason against the city by bringing Xabashi's that massacred its people will not dare to set a foot on its soil for the decades to come.

He sounds reasonable. Lets hope he reaches his goal to free the people from Al Shabaab. And dont blame him for wanting to stop fighting, rest and spend his old days on the cost eating fish.

Its nearly 30 years that the war has started in Somaliland. Its time to draw for a closure and draw conclusions from the past. Leave it up to the commission to seek the facts, truths and the guilty ones.

Amazing job what Shukri Xaaji Baandere and her team from Candle Light have done in Somaliland. She has made a great sacrifies, after her husband died she returned back in the begin of the '90 to a war thorn country to start helping people. If only people knew how she started this organisation back then using her house as an office in Hargeisa, she borrowed a computer from friends, a dinner table from family to use as an office bureau, little cash from friends to travel and sometimes while travelling throughout the country she had to sleep on the ground sometimes using her shoes as a pillow. Shukri is the sort of people that never seek fame, public attention, acknowledgement or wealth. She is a very modest human beingwho's life objective is to help others, an example to us all.

Amazing job what Shukri Xaaji Baandere and her team from Candle Light have done in Somaliland.

NGONGE;758093 wrote: What the 4.5 system just came out of thin air then? Are you saying someone just thought it up in 2004 and all those warlords suddenly decided it was a good idea? You know and I know why and when the 4.5 system was concieved. Now to reject it because it is not a fair system is (actually) a fair argument. However, since there is no workable alternative (TODAY), someone who really wants to see an improvement in Somalia's condition should whole heartdly support the 4.5 system. After all, the biggest problem facing Somalia today is not the clan one (though this still exists). Somalia's biggest problem is Al Shabab, saaxib. First get rid of them and then deal with the unfairness of the 4.5. Of course, I still believe that even when the time comes to deal with this system it would not be fully abolished. I believe that it will only be modified into becoming FIVE or TEN or even TWENTY point TWO. Al shabaab can be only be beaton by presenting an attractive workable alternative and 4.5 is not really attractive for most Somali who feel 4.5 is not a just system. But copying the good thinks of Al Shabaab (diversity, justice, no clan dominations,equality for all) could be attractive for many.

Safar wanaagsan and make sure to visit Oodweyne and take some pictures.

Safar wanaagsan and make sure to visit Oodweyne and take some pictures.

Guys back to the topic. Its about the Khaatuma Conference. Ina Cali Shire oo Garoowe Kaga Faanay Inuu Kala Tuurey Shirkii Taleex ee *********** u Balansanaaa Ilaahey bay mahad oo dhami u sugnaatey nabadgelyo iyo naxariisina nabigeenii SCW korkiisa ha ahaato. Intaa ka dib akhbaaraha kasoo baxaya Xarunta maamul beeleedka Puntland ee Faroole horboodo ayaa sheegaya xaley kulan inuu ku qabtey ninka Faroole gacan yaraha u ah (Cabdisamed Cali Shire). Kulankan ayaa waxaa lagu casumey rag ka mida dadka u adeega maamulka SSDF-ta ayna siyaasad hoosaad wadaagaan Gacanyare Cabdi samed Cali shire, shirkan oo xalay ilaa goordambe ay wada fadhiyeen ayaa saaka waxaa laga soo xigtey qaar ka mida ragii ka qeybgaley kulankaa inuu ahaa xaflad hoosaad loogu dabaaldegeyey wax ay ku sheegeen guusha laga soo hooyey magaalada taleex oo laga horistaagey sida uu cabdi samed sheegey ”dad cadaw ku ah maamulkeena Puntland oo doonayey in ay shir u qabtaan beesha ***********, isla markaana doonayey iney beesha ula galaan maamulka somaliland” sida uu ku andacoodey. Dadbadan oo indha-indheeya siyaasada deegaanada SSC ayaa waxey qabaan iney u qalmaan iney maanta u dabaal degaan guusha ay sheeganayaan oo u muuqata mid dhaba ooyku kala tuureen shirkii waxgaradka iyo shacabka *********** ee xalaasha ihi kasoo shaqeeynayeen mudada sanada iyo badhka ku dhow. dadkan dabaaldegaya oo ka soo jeeda gobolada SSC una adeega maamul beeleedka Puntland ayaa isugu jira Garaado sanado badan Garoowe fadhiyey iyo niman budhley ah oo labada beelood ee hareeha marba tii iska ceydhisa maahee ta kala u gala sida ay beelahaasu doonaana ugu adeega. Shirkan ayey iska cadeeyd in guruubka garoowe SSDF-tu fashiliyeen markey qaar ka mida garaadadii garoowe loo soo direy madashii shirka wadatashiga ah beeshu ku qabsan laheyd ee taleex isla markaana ay ku habsadeen meeshaana ka bilaabeen anagaa shirka wadana waxaanan ka raali ahayna (Puntlandimo aheyn) kama soconayaan magaalada taleex, ee wixii *********** ah ee xalaala (Puntland) ah shirkan haka soo qeybgalaan wixii kalana uma baahnin. Dadkaasu wax la hadla oo yidhaaha war beesha ka fadhiista oo gardarada iyo duleyntaad ku wadaan ka joojiya ma helin. sidaa waxaa ku odhankarey uun dadka la jifida hoose ah ee ay xigaalka yihiin, mana ay sameyn sida muuqata ooy wey ka gaabiyeen sidey rabtaba haku dhacdee. Rasuulkunu SCW- wuxuu xadiis ku yidhi ” Ugargaar walaalkaa hadii laga gardaranyahay iyo haduu gardaranyahayba” markaasey qaar saxaabadii ka mida yidhaaheen rasuul alloow garanay hadii laga gardaranyahaye ma hiilinaa xitaa haduu gardaranyahay. Markaasuu rasuulku SCW ugu jawaabey HAA ”haduu gardaranyahay gacmaha qabta oo ka qabta dadkuu garadarada kula kacayo” Laakiin arintu wax kaqabasho maleh hadey tahay sidaan tuhmayo oo ah inaan odayadaa macawisaha leh cidina *********** aysan ka qaban karin ooy la mid yihiin raga magaca dhulbahnte duleeya eey ka midka yihiin Ina Xaabsade, Fu’aad aadancade, Cali Sandule (adeegayaasha SNM) iyo Ina Cali shire iyo inta uu horjoogaha ugu yahay u adeegida SSDF-ta. nimankaa aan soo magacaabey waaba niman budhalaya oo shacabiyadba aan heysane waxaa u daran nimanka magacyada Garaadada reerka xambaarsan ee garoowe inta la fadhiistey dadntii reerka SSC oo dhan raba iney u adoomiyaan danaha beesha deriska nala ah ee SSDF, dadbadana weli difaacayaan iyagoo ismoogeysiinaya sida dadkeenii loogu qixiyey ilaa xagardheer, intii hadheyna macaluusha, biyo la’aanta, iskuul iyo dhakhtarla’aanta ku heyso dhulkeenii. Maantana waxaa cadaatey markale in dadkaas yar ee diidanaa danta guud ee *********** ee eeganayey mushahrka faroole ee 200 dolara ay ku guuleeystaan in ay hor istaagaan in shacabkii *********** ka shiro danihiisan murgey siduu u furdaansan lahaa. Horena waxaa loo ogaa sidii ay ula dagaalameen isagana kaashadeen guruubkaa yare garoowe fadhiga u yahay (Garaadada garoowe iyo waxa taagteera), maamulka Faoole iyo Maamulka SNM- isaga kaashadeen bur-burintii maamulka SSC iyo sidii uusan maraba cagaha u dhigan uusana dhulkiisa u xoreysan. Alaa mahadleh Mansuur Cali mansuurcali@gmail.com

Jacaylbaro;758129 wrote: Somaliland was a part of the former Republic of Somalia. For 21 years until his fall, the regime of Mohammed Siad Barre carried out massacres against the people of Somaliland. About 60,000 civilians were killed, thousands were victims of enforced disappearance, and 500,000 individuals were displaced before the declaration of independence, in 1991. Since its independence, Somaliland has managed to secure the political stability, economic and social development needed to investigate the atrocities committed in the past, through a War Crimes Investigation Commission of 6 members. The forensic field school in Hargeisa will help to determine the universe of missing people through a systematic approach, antemortem data collection and research of mass and clandestine graves. A commission that investigates the truth and the crimes commiitted will help to heal Somalilands wound. Such a commission should also determine the guilty ones.

tell me XX, does someone from the TFG represent you and your sub-clan in politics? Or do you feel Siilaanyo is your political leader more above UDUB? Well that same goes for Somalia. The fact that Sheick Shariif is Abdiwali is PM does not mean he is the political representative of Gedo people. Nor he or others with the block represent their interest.

Kusoo dhawoo meeshaan cambuulo.

Alxamdullulah.

MMA, laakinse salaad walba wakhtigeed la tukadaa. Markaa reer Muqdishu dhinac ha iska racaan, reer Jubba yaguna dhinac ha iska racaan, reer Bari iyo Mudug/Galguduud yaguna dhinac ha iska racaan.

XX, there are many ways people can be represented, but most importantly in politics it should be based mainly on interest. An clan does not always go hand in hand with interest. I dont think the people of the Jubba's have diffrent interest on national level whatever clan they are from.

Good news. hope they relocate all those nairobi based useless staff.

A new USP party in Somaliland?