Alpha Blondy;761584 wrote: ah... the 80s. now, that was the decade. good time indeed. Good times as a baby indeed.

Malika;761625 wrote: Nice try @ A&T - It all boils down to how one can control oneself - Perhaps your right, there is an element of conditioning on my part, as I have lived my whole life with all sorts of human race. Marka there are times, am bewildered at how Somalis can be so aggressive or so inhumane with each other. As for the SSC cause - ah. Lets wait for the conference to end - if it will be futile or not. ps. What are you advocating my friend? More Somali blood spillage on the lands of Somalis by Somalis?? Good question there. Except for insulting SSC, what is Abtigiis advocating here?

NGONGE;761226 wrote: ^^ I fully believe we can. In fact, this reminds me of a conversation I had with Norf the other day. He suprised me by telling me that paying for adverts on Somali TV (Universal, etc) was very cheap. This instantly got my mind whirring and I thought of conducting a secret experiment (the cost would have been worth it really). By the way, Shukri Shankaroon is a bit of an obvious name. Think of one along the same lines but make it slightly more subtle. Wa ma Sheikh Sharif ayaa naga caqli weyn? If he can masqurade as a wadaad, we can bleed blue nationalism (and, no, not the SOL type). I like your ideas there but those don't go far enough nor do they take advantage of the "political" and "social" opportunities that Somalia's plight presents. Bal give me five minutes to cook it through in my mind. Ngonge, I am getting curious what you been cooking all weekend?

Mintid Farayar;761576 wrote: http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/60177-Redifing-Somali-pan-nationalism./page2 Carafaat, JB's answer is valid. The Somaliland way is the answer to the Somali quagmire. 60 years ago, there was an idealistic dream of uniting all the Somali-inhabited regions mostly driven by idealistic, young Somalis of various educational backgrounds (without a grasp of the geopolitical obstacles/movements occurring around them). It has failed miserably since that time. Somaliland is an attempt to return to the building blocks of the 'Shanta Somali' by first building home territory, mindful of the twin limitations of the current international system with many states opposed to Somali irredentism and the current enmity between many segments of the Somali people. The foreign states opposed to Somaliland are powerful and numerous. But let's delve into opposition within the Somalis. The overwhelming opposition comes from one segment of Somali society -without noticing the secession of Djibouti, the occupation of the NFD or Somali Galbeed. The vast majority of Somali elites, outside of this group, are indifferent to the Somaliland question. The international recognition of Somaliland is only a threat to that particular segment (who are masters at cloaking themselves in hypocritical nationalism while ignoring the far greater problems afflicting their people). Mind you, when it's useful in attempting to get international support or advocate for whatever the new political region they've recently conjured up, they are quick to point out the success of the Somaliland model (in governance, law & order, democracy, peace, etc.) as a template of the industriousness and capability of Somalis to rule themselves. Do not be fooled by these crocodile tears over Somali unity. Just look at their genocidal treatment of their fellow Somalis in the next 'tuulo' whenever they obtain the upper hand and all becomes clear to the cognizant. The bonds between Somalis are not going anywhere nor have they went anywhere. A Somali always feels kinship with another Somali when he/she has to choose between the Somali and a foreigner. No Somali is a foreigner in Hargeisa, Burco, Borama or Las Anod. The dispute is simply over which political system should be set up for Somalis - separate international states living side-by-side with common kinship bonds between them (such as the Arabs or the Anglo-Saxon world), federal states tied together under a loose federal arrangement, or the failed unitary state which led to the disaster of today. That's the crux of the political argument . Mintid, I did not offer a solution for the political dispute concerning Somalia/Somaliland not was I attempting to introduce Somaliweyn or Unionification through a backdoor. But I simply raised the question about the need for a new for pan-Somali nationalism one that can unite Somali people's irrespective of their other identities(for example Djiboutian, Somaliland, Puntland, Somaliweyn, etc), political status and ideas(ONLFS or pro somali region, etc). One that can people combine with their own flavours and own political ideologies. Mintid, my question is. Can one be a Somalilander and Somali nationalist at the same time?

Interesting. I am waiting anxiously for the next parts on the Group Concioousness and Organizations.

Its only naturlal that Kenyans restore the balance in their own country and this backlash could have its negative's indeed. But the positive note is that Somali's remember Easthleigh aint Somalia for they have been too comfortable in Eastleigh and other parts of Kenya for too long. Its time to remember and invest in home(NFD and Somalia).

What will they tell the kids about Ina Abdulle Xassan?

Garowegirl, heesti hore kumee yara dajin? bal heestan macaan yara dhadhami.

arent there 5 regions missing? Salal, Saraar, Cayn, Badhan and Oodweyneh?

Bluelicious;761473 wrote: Gacaliye is used for someone who is dear to you like a loved one you don't use it for strangers or friends. Bluelicious, thanks. How do they adress you in your parts of the world?

JB, the Somali regions are there but there is hardly any systematic cooperation, they all seem to be pre-occupied with themselves and with foreign influences they can hardly withstand. And through some sort of cooperation on common issue's they could constructively achieve more, better results for their peoples and stand stronger.

Mintid Farayar;761275 wrote: Abtigiis, Someone is having a laugh... Where's the DNA test, saaxiib? Carafaat, When the 'Shantii Somali' are willing to sit down together on the issue (including Djibouti), then the process can start. I understand your point on finding other non-political issues to commune over - but some of us are rather skeptical on the repeated attempts to sink our hard-won situation through backdoor entrances such as these well-meaning, but rather naive attempts at a greater unity. Having said that, your idealism is 'respected' in my corner. Mintid, I understand the skepticism about (political)unity coming through backdoor entrances. But why fear something that hasnt worked, failed and is even dead for the last decades? And if this form of nationalism and unity has failed utterly, why not come up with your own Somali alternative? Isn't it strange that a couple of ideas from some teenagers, who made all this up back in the 1950's is still dominating us? Call me arrogant, but I belief we could come up with ideas for our times.

Fiqikhayre;761494 wrote: Engineer Salah, good engineer and good man.

Coofle, thanks for clarifying. people call eachother maandhay, for real? And do you know where Gacaliye is used.

Alpha, is Jb from the Hargeysa branch?

Art is very important for every society in every stage they find them selves in. For example; A common usage of art is to show ideas. Art can shows ideas about the past, what has happened as of late, what is currently happening and what may happen in the future. Art can show ideas about society, something good or something bad. And lately Somali's tend to copy (bad) idea's from other communities, weather it is Ethiopian music, Pakistani clothes or wahabist customs from Saudi Arabia. While we should preserve the many good things of the Somali culture, weather music, clorthes, cultural and religious customs.

Nabadii wee soo duushay.

Hargeisa born Somali star Maandeeq performing in Khartoum, Sudan in 1981 as part of a Waaberi Tour

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This thread is a tribute to Hobollada Waaberi. As Somalia's foremost musical group, Waaberi included many popular artists who would go on to enjoy successful individual careers and shape the face of Somali music for years to come. Post your favorite waaberi video's and audio clibs.

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garowegal, chillout its just some songs not intended to raise your blood pressure. hoo xabadan dhageyso, waa ku yara dagi doontaa. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye0Bc7I8LKQ

Blessed, this is a serieuz matter. What the cynical reaction? doesnt this make you horrified and petrified?

Xaaji Xunjuf?

Here is the original from teddy afro, song is called Abebayehosh(flower).