Abtigiis, you should check out the Nairobi night clubs, Florida 1, Florida 2, Casablanca. There is even a champaign room(strip club). Plenty of Somali girls. Why dont you go check it out and ask them who their pimps are. And then we can start writing letters to the pimps of these days rather then the retired SNM pimps of the '80's.

Dr_Osman;766249 wrote: What do you think Sheick Shariif said? I think Sheick Shariif something like: "I enjoyed my tour through Garowe, its my second time already. I always love to visit Puntland, me and my folks feel very welcome here, its feel also very safe for us. My good and dear friend Faroole always wants me to come and visit, which I always do.

Abokor Omar;766228 wrote: Abtigis, you should slow down, look right and then left, take a deep breath and re-analyse your thinking. What you posted is nothing but cheap insults and what you used as prove to back up your insults are pure fantasy far from reality. If we were to apply commonsense to your nonsenses it would fall down like a pack of cards. Let's look at your claims a bit closer; A women from Canada -a different country to Somaliland- has out of her free choice has formed a relationship with a man from Tanzania, a fellow African. You want us to believe that this was something orchestrated by the SL government inorder to gain recognition. To prove that this is not one of case you bring as prove personal experience of your time amongst your masters and some phantom females you witnessed. Now to answer your first claim; women in the west are free to do as they wish, otherwise Ayan Hirsi, Iman, Waris and all the other females from your tribe are your responsibility and reflect your tribes hidden vices. In short you can accuse the women from Somaliland of merrying to help Somaliland, but if Ayan Hirsi is trying to destroy Islam have your people collectively set her on this path? Your second point regarding the SNM giving there women away in exchange for short gains. This is not true and can only come out of the mouth of a man with bitter experience of the Mujahid SNM. In short this claim says more about your insecurities than the SNM. You are from the O region it's common knowledge that your people are the ones who from history till today form the connon fodder or foot infantry for the Habashi. Today you work for the Habashi as the lyo police as the most visible signs of the occupation, raping, pillaging and destroying villages, homes, and livestock belonging to your people. On the other side you have the ONLF a bunch of malnourished, illiterate peasants who have been brainwashed to believe Ethiopians are occupying them, when it's there own brothers, uncles and cousins that's cementing the occupation. It is common knowledge in a O family; a son fights the occupation, a father works for the occupation and another son is at home listening and looking out for the occupation and in this scenario when would not be surprised if the daughter is allowed to sleep with a high tanking general to help the father gain leverage. Your people have always been, as the legendary poet Cali Dhuux, put it "special needs people". From the mad mullah high on opium, who though Berbera needed freeing but not his own people who are today still occupied long after the British have gone. To the mad mullahs son who sat at the feet of Hali Salasie and claim him as his master, to the guardians of the occupation today Mr iley. Abtigis asummes that fancy words will make a sh!t smell like roses, try again adeer. Abtigiis, why do you say Abokor went below par. He has some valid arguments here. You try to ignore his point here.

Abtigiis;766235 wrote: Ngonge did a good job, but the below-par secessionists are singing about oranges when the matter is about camel milk. Ayan Hirsi Ali is worse than the woman in this post. Incidentally, whose guilt Abokor has confirmed, but tried to lessen its effect on him and his ilk by emphasizing that she is 'canadian' and that her choice is a free choice by an adult. But Ayan Hirsi Ali doesn't parachute down in Garowe and Bossaso and get flowers from Puntland dignitaries, She doesn't get red-carpet in Puntland or Kismayo or anywhere her ancestors slept even for a day. She is a pariah, an outcast. However, Mahiga's concubine is a celebrity in Hargeisa, winning prizes and accolades for her exploits. That is the difference. False analogies won't take you far, dear Abokor. How about Iman taking nude pictures in famine hit Baidoa, was she send to"sell" the famine. Come on Abtigiis. You know as well as I do, that most Somali girls that work as a prostitues in Nairobi clubs Are from regions and certain clans. Does this mean they were send there to work by you or ONLF?

But naked I tell ya. Even Ngonge cant dress him up this time, Ileen clan is indeed everything.

xiinfaniin;766046 wrote: He proposed. Think of Jigjiga, and Garisa, and Garowe as regional administration axis that can be organized to form the basis for Somalia’s revival. Add Kismayo to that equation, and the result is a fifteen million strong people linked with clan lineage. It is a math . ............. But more importantly, Dr. Abtigiis elaborates with clear historical illustration albeit with didacticsm that is hard to bear as to why large clans should be viewed as savior of the Somalia nation . Other arrangements lack political depth and practical means to affect any meaningful changes. SOL media will share with the gallery the summary of Dr. Abtigis’s take on clans and as he put it how to exploit them for the large cause Xiin, Odaygiii Abtigiis waad qaawisay.

Kuliye ma leftist ba aniga waxaan islahaa waa right wing hawkish party?

Positive, good read analysis. Here are some additional points. Pre 1960 -Somalia adopted(copied) a westernized governing model that was centrally organised and top-down which did not take in to account the existing local forms of governing, rule of law, consultation, handling disputes, diversity of the country nor the clan system. -Somali pan-nationalism. Bringing all Somali speaking people under one form of governance or country proved to be difficult and created animosity with our neighbours as you wrote. That form of Somali nationalism hasnt worked to overcome those diffrences . Because it was based on uniting territories and political power, and politics and land is something Somali’s rarely agree on, let alone share it. While nationalism should have been based on that what all Somali's share and not on a political objective. Once this political objective was unattainable, Somali Nationalism as we knew failed to hold the people together. 1960-1969 The adopted system, laws, governing model was alien and unfamiliar to most people(except for a small doreign educated elite in Mogadishu). This created disenfrachisement between central leadership and local popuplation and regions needs and expectations from the beginning. Proof of it was for example the referendum for the new constitution in 1961, some regions voted against it and many(supporters and opponents)didnt even know what was written in the consitution. -Because the system did not take in to account the diversity(cq clans) of the country and dit not give it a place or hold account with it while at the time some indiviual used the clan card to get the right jobs or get things done, majority of folks felt that clannism was used and that only "some" clans profited from the system. Created more distance and disenfrachisement between populations and its elite. -All this created that system became very unpopular and broad silent(support) for the coup in 1969.

the ban on Qaran increased its popularity. Do you want to make Xisbullulah popular as well?

Galkacyo, the last divided city of Somalia should indeed unite. Even Muqdisho has one admin nowadays.

Wasnt Qaran banned on constitutional grounds.

Very unfortuanate.

Dr.Osman, i dont think the organisers in Muqdisho copied Garowe's Conference. They just want the Conference to be organised in Moqdisho, thats all.

Saalax;765912 wrote: Puntland oo cambaaraysay Dilal Ka Dhacay Taleex, Masuuliyadda Arimahaasina Dusha U Saartay Abaabulyaasha Shirka Khatuumo 2. http://taleex.net/2011/12/18/puntland-oo-cambaaraysay-dilal-ka-dhacay-taleex-masuuliyadda-arimahaasina-dusha-u-saartay-abaabulayaasha-shirka-khaatumo-ii Hope Puntland wont attack Taleex, cause this is war language.

Allah ha u naxariisto.

What do the Kings support?

Dr_Osman;765826 wrote: Carafaat, Somaliland and Puntland have very different fiscal policy. Somaliland is high-tax orientated especially in the import/export on livestock and traders of normal goods while Puntland is not. I think I was reading per goat somaliland marks up $7-9 dollar where-as Puntland marks up $3-4 dollars. Another huge difference to take into account is somaliland shilling reserve is the american dollar but it's market is mainly somalia. The mark up prices on goods are 5 times higher then other areas of Somalia. Thats why you see so many people saying they cannot afford anything because it doesnt reflect the local market conditions!!! Thats why burco is doing better in that sense!!! Somaliland 2010 budget was $40 million dollars as published by international donors and signed off by the somaliland govt I dont know where you pull out that it was $40 million 2006. Were talking last year!!! Dr.Osman, if the budget income of Somaliland is comparable with that of Puntland. Why dont you see this back in the level op investment of expenditure in public services in Puntland?

Tani waa iska ictiraaf oo kale.

Nin-Yaaban;765522 wrote: Carafaat is probably looking for ways to get around if he ever (god forbid) gets banned from SoL. :confused:

to many weird results. how we know there wasnt any match fixing.

Thats quite a lot of money there. Somaliland's annual budget was 40 million dollar 4 years ago. So how is this spend?

What is the goal of this visit, I wonder?

Chinese military escort for the Chinese foreign trade Author Martin Chinese Defense Minister Liang late November and early December this year visited Uganda and Seychelles, caused by close attention to the outside world. Many international observers believe that China's military is seeking to neighboring countries in Africa and the conclusion of the Indian Ocean close military ties, Liang visited African countries like the Seychelles, the purpose is to explore the way for the establishment of overseas military bases for China's sea trade in these areas and economic interests of the escort. The interests of the Chinese military escort for the role of overseas Chinese, this topic has drawn increasing attention to the outside world. December 1, Liang arrived in the Indian Ocean island nation to visit East Africa, Seychelles. This is the first Chinese defense minister to visit the country. There are reports that during the three-day visit, China Liang publicly expressed intention of the garrison interested in the Seychelles, anti-piracy operations in the Indian Ocean. It is said that this is the first request in the Seychelles, Indian Ocean, invited the Chinese army in the fight against piracy, but the intention was expressed by Liang troops overseas, so speculation that Beijing has been behind the plot, attempting to use military cooperation to protect the interests of overseas Chinese, including Indian warships and fleet supply base for the establishment and control of oil by sea transport. Liang visit to Seychelles on, when some Chinese media had "invited the Chinese Government of Seychelles to establish military bases in the country," as the subject reported the visit, some reports even said that the establishment of specific locations in the Serbian military bases tongue in the Marshall Islands the largest island of Mahe (Mahe Island). However, the Seychelles Foreign Minister Jean - Paul • Adam (Jean-Paul Adam) said afterwards, Seychelles does not consider China to establish military bases in the Seychelles, it will only allow China and European countries like the United States as " reconnaissance and patrol boats were temporarily stationed "in the Seychelles. Anyway, Liang visited the Seychelles, China has established military bases overseas, the topic of a hot topic again. In fact, since 2009, the Chinese naval fleet started in the Gulf of Aden and Somali waters escorted, the outside world on China will build military bases in overseas speculation has been continued. General Logistics Department of Chinese military war service program, Deputy Secretary for Peng Zhenhai in a March press conference denied the speculation. According to him, China is not the intention to establish military bases abroad, the Chinese naval escort operations of self-protection and logistical support to supply a combination of docking, the integrated use of portable sailing, marine supplies, berthing organization and implementation of a complementary manner. But Peng Zhenhai argument does not preclude future development of China has sought to establish military bases in Africa and the Indian Ocean goal. Experts pointed out that the Indian Ocean is connected Europe, Middle East and Africa strategic position, while 85% of China's oil supply and 60% of re-exports via the Gulf of Aden. Last year, the trade volume between China and Africa up to $ 126.9 billion. So far, no Chinese military bases in the Indian Ocean region, only three warships in the Gulf of Aden to participate in international anti-piracy operations; but three warships the Chinese navy is the first overseas expedition, for China is highly symbolic. Researcher at the Brussels Institute of Contemporary China • Jonathan Hall Slager (Jonathan Holslag) that many indications that China has developed a high-level overseas strategy, with China to increase investment and trade in Africa, and to seek imports from Africa oil and raw materials, sea transport safety more and more important, in this case, Beijing requires "a strong military to protect national interests overseas to play a greater role." • Jonathan Hall Slager that, although China and the Indian Ocean island's military cooperation is currently limited to the "secret exchange of arms equipment," but the tendency to expand cooperation, and become more and more structured. This establishment of the Indian Ocean to China with a military escort is very favorable. Total root Franklin Netherlands (Clingendael) international relations researcher Frans - Paul • Fandeputeng (Frans-Paul van der Putten) also believes that as long as the Chinese navy stationed in the Indian Ocean, Beijing can send its fleet to visit ports in the Indian Ocean countries to strengthen diplomatic relations with these countries. Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) Senior Fellow Dusha Tai (Mathieu Duchâtel) analysis, "China needs to protect its port infrastructure in the Indian Ocean fleet replenishment at sea, which for China to expand the scope of its escort will benefit." With the increasing pace of China into Africa, the Chinese enterprises to invest in trade to the landlocked African countries are also expanding, so Beijing to protect the interests of the Chinese economy and trade, security considerations have been more than a sea issues. Frequently in recent years, Chinese leaders visited Africa, showing that Beijing's strategic Board continues to expand, in addition to creating a convoy with the Indian Ocean sea beyond, while also seeking to establish in many parts of the continent including military cooperation projects. Therefore, this landlocked African nation of Uganda, has become a Chinese defense minister to visit the land of door. Researcher at the Brussels Institute of Contemporary China • Jonathan Hall Slager analysis pointed out that the reason why the Chinese Liang visit to Uganda pledged $ 2.3 million for the maintenance of Ugandan troops in Somalia, the African Union military structure within the military spending, this is because Beijing concerned a 20-year civil war in Somalia if the situation is not effectively controlled, could endanger the interests of China in Africa. Hall Slager that "Beijing has realized, as instability in Somalia, a country will naturally become pirates of the land, not only a direct threat to the Indian Ocean in the past the Chinese merchant and fishing vessels", "may also be insecurity, terrorism and other hazards, thus threatening to China has significant economic interests in other African countries. " For example, China is eyes fixed on neighboring Ethiopia, Somalia's oil resources, Chinese companies are also stepping up the construction of connecting Somaliland from Ethiopia (Somaliland) northwest of Port Berbera (Berbera) of the transport routes, and Berbera port has become China sea trade in the Indian Ocean one of the major transit ports

Which category are you then?

Jacaylbaro;765560 wrote: Call me old fashion but the one and the only song i love is the one says: Way way way namusii dalaa yaboon tuuto namusii dalaa idaanamuhee namusii arkataa Now that is what i need to hear ..................... if u can help , Only someone as Abtigiis has this kind of knowledge of the Oromo language.