I like this guy and his vision. He started out helping his tuulo(Cadaado), the community elders of the tuulo/sub-clan asked him to lead them and organise them, organise basic services, organise diaspora etc. And then tuulo's around where the rest of sub-clan lives asked him to help out, his organisation providing basic services spread out. And then I saw him organise and lead a meeting wih other clan states in Cadaado from the region, they were trying to form a stronger regional administration together knowing their capacity is limited and they need to organise themselves, have a structure. This is what you call state building bottem-up. Somalia, you dont like Galmudug but you like Ximan iyo Xeeb?

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Citizens come together and form strong circle of protection, clan's. The more distress and hostility exist around the circle, the stronger and more organized clans become. you call that ethno-states. But what will happen in times of peace when hostilities decreases? when the bond or circle remain the same? is protection needed in times of peace? will the circle remain strong? I dont think so, I think the bond, circle weakens and devolves if it looses its function(protection). Therefor those ethno states need to transcent in to becoming city states or regional states, as you call them.

Sxb, So you see clans as a building block of a nation state?

Illyria;804345 wrote: I tell you what i will create a new thread for this conversation, if you do not mind. on second thought, let us not. Please do create a new thread. I find this discussion highly interesting.

Citizens form the nation. You mean the State or the nation?

Illyria;804271 wrote: This might be what you would wish for, but how about other Somalis? did it ever occur to you what you see to be in your best interest does not quite fit with what others see as their best interest? or you have reached that point yet? He sees secession as his best interest option.

Why dont you tell me sxb.

Ok. So your question is why am I critizing Puntland leaders while I want to share a State with Puntland citizens?

I am speechless. I thought Archdemos was a Unionist. Archdemos, you are talking about bringing little sub-clans in to the fold, aniguna waxaan ku leeyahay Somali oo dhan aan isku keeno.

Illyria;804303 wrote: Carafaat There is the ideal (nation state), and then there is the ka badin waa (ethno-states). I am asking the questions because you come across as if fantasising about the concept of a nation state (desired) nas its citizenry (its make-up), to which you are attaching less value than the fantasy. You do not seem to mind condemning the citizen yet you are advocating for the nation. why? is your understanding of a nation state flawed? or are you so romantic at heart you fail to see the flaw in the logic. I really don't understand what you are talking about here. what is "ka badin waa"? I didnt know qabiil and qabyalad were this complex, it almost higher forms of beta science. I need someone to explain this to me and other simple folks.

Garowe Currently in the pipeline for the city is; 1. Parliament and Presidential Palace 2. Shopping Center 3. National Medical College, a Mental Health Facility and also a women center 4. Multi-Plex Center(To host the only grassed stadium in Somalia) 5. Airport 6. Oil Development 7. The routine road maintenance, new road openings and residential developments. Bosaso 1. Golis, Tawakal, Iftin headquarters 2. 5 major roads being paved in the city 3. Agriculture boom with irrigation systems opening up 4. Oil Development 5. Port capacity being expanded 6. SEPCO Public Electricity Provider 7. New Market Zone 8. The Usual residential developments, road maintenance, Galkayo 1. Major road rehabilitation from galkayo to garowe the complete stretch 2. Mudug Regional Hospital 3. Brand New Airport Terminal and runway upgrade 4. Electricity and Water Services Expansion 5. The usual residential developments Qardho 1. Infrastructure rehabilitation particularly police stations and roads. 2. Commercial and Residential Boom occuring at fast rates 3. Brand new university campus being built for east somalia university 4. Government House Waciye 1. Residential boom Ceel Dahir 1. Residential Boom Carmo 1. Residential and Commercial Boom You can build a lot of houses and shops from 280 million dollar. If you look at your calculation of the Somali economy being 5 billion US dollar and it increased 2,6%. Well then 1% equals 50 million, and 280 million which equals more then 5% of the economy. So one can state that a 2,6% increase of the economy is caused by Piracy business. Nuune, numbers iyo economy xamasad malaha, umada aya leh.

Archdemos, waad ka sii dartay. Free speech does exist. Under Kulmiye I have more freedom of speech then with UDUB. UDUB arrested all the Unionist, Kulmiye throws welcome back parties for them.

NGONGE;804283 wrote: Who said I am not protesting? They have to say what they arrested him for and what is the charge. This is not about what clan the man is from or if Norf and I are in support of Siilaanyo (or otherwise). This is how the law should be. Adeero, madaxwyne, great old Axmad Siilaanyo is my president and uncle and I fully support Somaliland and his government. However, I've said it before and I say it again, he is rubbish with human rights and freedom of expression. His government got it wrong with the poor Oromos, it got it wrong with the needless arrest of journalists (and closing of HCTV) and it got it wrong with (some) of the Buuhodle fights. As I have no idea why the boqor was arrested, I'll give the government the benefit of the doubt for now , Mr Laandheer See, told you Ngonge was with the goverment on this one. He has no choice, clan is everything. he is the laangaab of Burco and his uncle is the President. But my uncle is opposition and I am the laandheer from Burco. So I am free to support Boqor Buurmadow. Free Buurmadoow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Illyria, everyone understand how clan states or the clans protection became a substitute after the collapse of the State. But should we not have the ambition to move beyond it, should we have a mission to trancend it?

i am sitting down, got myself a cup of coffee. Illyria will share he solution for Puntland. go ahead.

nuune;804254 wrote: ^^ Don't belief what every website writes, it is like that article about higher level of Somali business in Kenya which suggested it was as a result of piracy ransom money, they based their research on few boats that pirates got some ransom money, and that money made its way into every Somali business in Kenya. That article is based on a UNODC. its the lowest and most carefull estimation mentioned amount of Piracy rantsom. In 2011, pirates made some $170 million in ransom money for hijacked vessels and their crews. That figure represents an increase since 2010, when ransoms paid amounted to over $110 million, according to UNODC.

Nonsense, why else would we all come here if it wasnt for love.

Dr_Osman;804239 wrote: ....... So the question still stands, why is their a unprecedented rise in construction in Puntland compared to the rest of Somalia ? we know peace plays a role, but the disparity among even peaceful regions is quite absurd runti!!! they're has to be better answer then that, which makes logical sense of this constant construction occuring all over puntland and not just one or two cities but the whole state!!! http://reliefweb.int/node/478446. http://www.studentpulse.com/articles/579/somali-piracy-causes-and-consequences

I didnt say anyone was above the law. I said, if the man(crazy or not) was from my clan or your clan many would have protested from a clannish sense. And since Ngonge and Norf are with Siilanyo on this one, the man is standing alone. I say, Free Buurmadoow!!!!

Where will you stay in Burco?

If Boqor Buurmadow wasnt from the same clan as Siilanyo, many would have protested this arrest or his (previous goverment?) ordered arrest in UAE. So I say, free the Boqor.

Alpha Blondy;803991 wrote: Subhan'Allah! May Allah forgive my ignorance. i didn't know. i remember all these stories walahi til today but if only those abusive guys didnt beat me everyday and my strict religious mum wasn't too islamo-facist around the house, maybe i would've given it my full attention.... it so sad that til now i cant read arabic and that i used the cassette player then wrote it all in latin script to perform to the teacher without any reference to the quran... i reached 13 juz using this system of memory before music and the arts ruined me! but i couldnt read a randomly picked line in the smaller surahs now. one day i want to learn the quran and to understand it....inshallah looool:D

OdaySomali;803972 wrote: It reminds me of when many, including around 40 youngsters from my home-town, including some family members, pregnant women, perished trying to cross the seas. AUN I was present during the tacsi in Borama city. AUN

Since recently I have been observing some Somali's in their natural habitat of the local community organisation. I am not a Sociologist but I observed that we like to give advice and speech preferbly to a wide audiance. But what it comes to taking a decision, we like to minimlize the participation. And this where it goes wrong and misunderstanding start, when ever 4 people lock them selves up in a room and decide for all others. Talo aan ku siiyo, Go'anka aan ku diido.