Must have hit a nerve. Is it that difficult to imagine a united Mudug that works together with its neighbouring region?

Allah ha u naxariisto

Yes, but you can't blame someone for being to creative or playing the game to win. don't hate the players, hate the game.

Kingofkings, Galkacyo is the undisputed capital and centre of central Somali regions. It plays a key role in the economy, trade, movement and security of the central somali regions. So if you put down you clanish tainted glasses, one can see it is only logic that Mudug and Galmudug(+hiiraan maybe) integrate and work together in terms of basic services and governance and thus create a common administration.

Oday wuxu rabaa airport personel with half long skirts. Sheekadisu waa intaas.

The constitution wasn't corrupt back in 1960.but those MP's were creative.

Cali_Gaab;814797 wrote: What's so hard to believe about that? Puntlands faro-taag elections is no different than 'hagbad' in which a lot of mothers participate in. One lady took a payment last month, one this month and one next month. I don't think any more important pirate sub clans are left to take the seat so why not give the hagbad to the maakhirite? :D

Maybe he is saying Prof Farjac sub-clan is claiming back their King of Kings title from the current holder?

Will there be one man one vote?

ElPunto;814760 wrote: See Xiin's response. The basis for this constitution is the same as for the TFG. You can't be for the TFG on governance and then against it on the constitutional process. There was no anger or name calling. Just a put up or shut up post. And quite frankly you haven't put up much in the way of an argument. Ok let me ask you; 1.Do you think its the right time to draft a constituion when parts of country are occupied? 2.Can you imagine that people living in those regions would like to be consulted in the drafting Of the constitution? 3. Can you understand that some people don't think the process nor its (transitional) actors were democraticly chosen And thus have no right to take decsision that have long term effect? Except restoring security? Well don't be suprised then, if some folks reject this pieace of paper if one rejects their arguments. P.S. If Puntland managed without a own constitution the last 13 years, I am sure Somalia can wait few more Years.

Xiin, my point is clan politics does not kow any friends only foes. Because a clan only unites 'politicly' when there is a foe, so one needs to create constant distentiation between one another. President vs PM, PM vs Ministers, Galkacyo north vs Galkacyo south, ridiculing adisqualifying a Proffesor for Presidential candidate purely because he is from another juffo. Where does it stop sxb? When do you say stop?

LST, the day that happens, is the day I will stop Critizing Puntland's politics.this is a promise. This will only happen if people can vote for their leader or representatives. Because this would mean Puntland politics has transcended from clan based politics to full adult regional politics, serving the people.

xiinfaniin;814755 wrote: Our Fiqikharye is most effective when leading the charge against Alshabaab, secessions, and Mogadishu warlords . He also does excellent job when translating my prized poems. He is an intellectual warrior, not useful in peace times. His mistake in this thread is attacking PM's friends in support of the PM And that is why I am against clan politics, it does not know boundries nor friends. All is allowed, including attacking friends and Ministers of the Prime Minister. Same reason as to why Somalina was banned. All is allowed in the name of the clan.

maybe the thread opener ayaa u baahan ina Garowe laga cuudiyo.

xiinfaniin;814733 wrote: This is another cheap swap at the character of PM's cabinet unwittingly I suppose to boost his. Apparently all is allowed to boost the clan politics, including ridiculing all others. real failure of Garowe clan politics waleee.

ElPunto;814737 wrote: ^Whatever my 'clan agenda' may be - the only agenda that should be pertinent to you is taking a gander at fleshing out what you posted - 'this constitution xalaal maha, its a product of corruption, nepotism and clan politics. Just like all other policies Faroole is promoting in Somalia.' Barring a response on this line - I would suggest your immediate agenda should be to scurry back with the tail between your legs. a Constitution should be for the people by the people. Their democratic elected leaders should be involed during this process. TFG has not even moved beyond Muqdisho, many parts are still in war with Al Shabaab. the people were not involed in this process of drafting nor is this the time to draft a constitution. therefor a piece written by individuals who were not democraticly elected can not draft document that is shared by all people. therefor is not considered xalaal by me and many others. no need for anger or name calling adeer.

Lets say they were standing alone 'clan' naked against all other Somali's. Even "Al Shabaabi" Che ayaa dharki tuuray. I cant give more detail otherwise this little threads of yours will be deleted as well.

ElPunto;814726 wrote: Carafaat - unionist/Somalilander/qas-wade - whatever guise you have on at any point in time - if you can't articulate your points when questioned then you have no business in a big boy forum. We have enough trolls as it is. Yes, my clan is from Somaliland, I am Unionist and I oppose dirty politics and say like it is to Somaliland and to Puntland. Does that make me qaswade? Adeer, try to look beyond your litle clan agenda and for the common good. Many of us already do.

Where is kingofkings with his explanation. He is damaging and ridiculing the good proffesor without any explanation.

Well some might think this thread and your other one is to derrail and try damage control from today's disasters of the Garowe boys. tooshka ayaa ka beegisaa. But damage is done sxb.

Elpunto, this thread is on the constitution and why Somali's oppose it. And why only Garowe boys support it.

Xiinfaniin, waad huradaa. I support Khatumo from the beginning. see my thread from september last year with more then 20 pages and vieuwed by more then 10.000 people. But why did Abdiwali and Faroole oppose when President Shariif supported Khatuma? p.s. your attemtps for fadhikudiri and distraction is quite poor adeer.

Elpunto, I dont know what your talking about. If its about Somaliland ambition to seek international recongnition, I oppose that. But I also oppose the dirty politics played by few politicians where ever they hail from. And this constitution xalaal maha, its a product of corruption, nepotism and clan politics. Just like all other policies Faroole is promoting in Somalia.

If only Puntland understood this, welcomed Khatuma and didnt try to backstap them through Abdiwali. waxba kamee xumadeen. but with such "friends" who needs enemies.

Sxb, the Somali people are not in the game and they oppose and reject this constitution which Faroole and cousins advocate for.