Duke, what if every of the 18 regions threatens Somalia. What kind of country would you get? A country where one abdducts what one wishes, don't you think?

I asked why Puntland was threating with secession in its constitution. You answered that your sub-clan wants To enforce Federalism on Somalia, and as a form of "encouragement" it threatens with secession. XX, Threatening Somalia won't work. Somalia will not give in to demands of Pirates.

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Che and Duke, arintan Puntland wee ku fashilmatay.

Duke, I am advocating for a decentralized Central State like Abdirizaq Xaaji Xusseen, remember our former democraticly elected nationalist Prime Minister? Also an uncle of yours?

Article 3 Article 3 states, Pending the completion of the Federal Constitution approved by a popular referendum, Puntland State shall have the status of an independent States.

federal republic of Somalia. What a joke. Who actually believes this.

Adeer, I am not upset. I am quite content as a Unionist, I am that Somaliland and Somalia are talking.

Somalia;818901 wrote: Wow :eek: Puntland is threateting with secession.

Xaaji Xunjuf;818954 wrote: Article 3 Article 3 states, Pending the completion of the Federal Constitution approved by a popular referendum, Puntland State shall have the status of an independent State Read: Unless Somalia becomes a Federation with a Federal constitution, Puntland will declare independance. Legal abduction or piracy caadiya.

It's fine. There won't be any production coming decade anyway. And besides the countries constitution determines authority of regional admins.So one can write what anyone wants but international and national law determine legality. Not clan laws.

I think they will take the same position as Makhir and Khatumo, rather then Garowe.

This issue only highlights that within TFG there is little trust and divisions on the issue.

Beer-Gaal;818870 wrote: Trust me they are best thing that could have happen to these talks , they both from former British Somaliland and they don't share secession idea!. it's like I'm former Lander i don't want do any with the secessionists simple. Yes, but their people are unsatisfied with Garowe and maakhir and Khatumo rule themselves. Just like Rascaseyr. So do you think they will save the clan administatrion of Garowe?

But why would anyone harm the PM. Unless someone wants to takeover his job?

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I wonder why President Shariif picked Ilkajiir and Daud Maxamed Omar as committee members? Did he even consult with Abdiwali and Faroole.

Puntland as clan state wee u dhamatay. After the SSC, Maakhir, Galgala, western Puntland, Ras Caseyr left, Puntland only exists as Garowe creation intended to abduct Somalia by using Anumosity between Somaliland and Somalia. But those days are over.

Faisal also talked about this so called TfG/Puntland made constitution. Wa Somali sidii loogu baabiin lahaa.

General Duke;818702 wrote: Stop highlighting your ignorance. What 13 clans are you talking about. The base for the Federal States are the 18 regions of Somalia. Thus the talks will be how to resolve the issues that some in the regions in the North have against Somalia. Its quite simple really. 18 regions? What happened with dividing Mudug and Galkacyo in to states along clan lines?

But I don't think Ilkajiir has a chance, after all in a sub-sub clan State. All that counts is the sub-sub-sub-sub clan. Xaglatoosiye found it out the hard way, when he wanted to get elected in Puntland. The guy didn't have any chance and the sub-clan left Puntland.

Xaaji Xunjuf;818690 wrote: Duke you don't believe in Somalia you believe in Puntland hegemony over Somalia you supported when Faroole was threatening Sh sharifs government when you're clan didn't get the Prime Minister position suddenly faroole supports the TFG i wonder why? Duke wants a weak Somalia where clan federal states call the shots with a weak central government so that he can threaten the central government when ever he wants.You are a country with in a country with you're own constitution army police navy parliament all in the hands of one clan no elections are taking place. Where one clan has more than 31 seats in the Parliament it makes it impossible for other clans in the garowe clan enclave to even think about becoming president in you're enclave. You did support Cabdilahi Yusuf even when he used Somalia's arch enemy to destroy the Somali Capital no my friend you are no nationalist. You support Cabdi Cawar because he is you're clan cousin but you didn't support farmaajo but you did support cumar buur what do they all have in common??.I never supported clan federalism i want Somalia to remain one and a strong state instead of being divided along clan lines Puntland ximan iyo xeeb waax iyo waadi mareeg state galmudug jubaland etc etc but my good friend duke doesn't see that blinded by Qabyalaad may allah guide you brother. One Somalia but with strong clan states. Dividing and weak cities, villages and regions along clan lines. All because some like Duke dream Of creating a clan hegemony.

General Duke;818649 wrote: The secessionist agenda is led by members of a single clan the SNM, who I believe themselves have a large unionist segment. However the other clans are unionist and thus not interested in breaking from Somalia.. Duke, what if Somaliland and Somalia reach an agreement. Do you still suggest other 12 clans in Somaliland should have their own clan states? Eventhough there is angreement on the Union? And should the TFG deal then deal with 13 clan States in Somaliland? Or only with one goverment that is representing all clans in Somaliland?

Yes, he would. I hope Ilkajiir doesn't get dissapointed when Faroole extends his term. You know he has options.

General Duke;818638 wrote: Even if it is. Reer SNM are .5 of the 4.5 formula. No this will be based on regions as shown by the individuals. Waqooye Galbeed & Toghdheer can not hold the people of NW Somalia hostage, thats history mate... So according to you TFG is negoitiating with one clan. You know there are 12 other clans in Somaliland who also want the same treatment. It will keep the TFG busy for years to come.