xiinfaniin;823692 wrote: No more transitional status for Somalia. We have been through a hell as a nation, the time is ripe to regain our dignity. Twenty years have elapsed, and some folks are still talking nonsense Transition will end irrelevent of Somalia State structure. come with better arguments to justify, sxb.

Clan Federlaism will mean the end of the Somali civilization sxb. We will see a century of never ending and ever dividing clan enclaves That wage wars against each other for land, power and seat. This constitution will insitituionalize clan States and clan governance. Its 4.5 turbo. Everyone who has been recently to the country knows are problems isn't caused by issue's between clans. But clannism injected in to issue's. And this constitution will divide Somali's more then we we ever have been divided. And if you read the report of the IiFCC is that they use Somalilad as sole excuse for doing this. While SL never was part of the discussion.

Xiinfaniin,on the one hand waxa leedahay Somali waa qabiilo oo clan states waa xal. And on the other when Sheick Shariif, Muqdisho clan and Galmudug all have voiced opposition to this latest attempt to obduct the Somali people. Waxa leedahay they have to shut up. A Constitution should be something shared by all Somali people. Not only something which is championed b one section for own gains to establish and institutionalize clan hegemony. Well atleast Puntland has its own constitution as a back up, when this thing is turned down by all other Somali's(hence the meeting between Faisal, FM of Somalia and Sheick Shariif).

Sheick is securing votes from Dhirta, more like it.

" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> check this one from 5.00min, salaanta cidaanka. when everyone standing stil. very emotional moment.

Qandalawi;823452 wrote: ^Saaxib, read my statement and tell me if I said unity is not important, to give you a hint, please read the the last line of my post. Timing, timing, and the timing, that's all I talked about. My point was this talk now is not going to bring any development in my opinion. I don't think the TFG is ready to engage with SL at this moment in time, of course I understand that part of the TFG's work is to preserve the unity of the country and bring everyone on the fold but the TFG is facing a huge task in the south and there are no serious, immediate or urgent things happening in Somaliland that necessitates the TFG to act and deal with it immediately, well unless we don't know something that is being cooked up by the international community that brings SL to Istanbul conference and partakes in the upcoming national government. If that is the case, then there is an urgency otherwise SL has been doing well as they are and can remain to be so until then. On the other hand, Somaliland will not get the recongnition their politicians are so looking forward to, because the TFG will never do that nor do they have the mandate as its only a transitional government. All in all, SL is just doing this to appease the west but in reality know that there is no point for them in taking part of the talks. These are my two points waryaa, maxaad kaloo haysaa? Sxb, you will never know till one has talked. Obviously Faroole doesnt want these talks to take, I dont understand why someone like you would jumb on that bandwagon of "isolation of Somaliland" is good for Garowe. this is the rule and divide politics Somalia la hagaagi weydey. war tageer wada hadalka.

JB, kii Puntland ayaa dhinac kasta laga dalooliyay. wax fahan. Somali version(draft) http://www.dastuur.org/images/stories/docs/Consultation%20Draft%20Constitution%20Somali.pdf english version(draft) http://www.dastuur.org/images/stories/docs/Consultation%20Draft%20Constitution%20Somali.pdf

maybe about solving 'Galkacyo' issue? Or creating a Garow corridor.

Madaxweynaha Muqdisho oo si qarsoodi ah ku yimi Imaaraadka Thursday, April 26, 2012 - 09:08 AM Shir si qarsoodi ah uga socoda Abu-dabey oo dhexmaray maamulka shiikh shariif & iyo qaar ka mid ah maamulka SNM ee magaalada Hargeysa. Madaxweyne shariif ayaa wararku sheegayaan inuu xalay soo gaadhey wadanka Imaaraadka carabta isagoo ku sugan magaalada Abu-dabey qasri ku yaal oo magaciisa la yiraahdo Qasrul imaaraad. Madaxweyne shariif oo aan la shaacin socdaalkiisan ayaa wararku sheegayaan inuu u yimi inuu si qarsoodi ah ula kulmo qaar ka mid ah maamulka Siilaanyo. Kulan habeenkii xalay ka dhacay qasrigaa ayaa wararku sheegayaan inuu dhexmaray labada dhinacan kuwaas oo ay goobjoogeyaal ka ahaayeen dhinaca somalidiidka Faysal Cali waraabe iyo ganacsade u ololeeya arimaha SNM oo magaciisa la yiraado Cismaan Dheere oo ka soo jeeda beesha ******** iyo weliba Cabdilaahi Goongo oo ka soo jeeda beessha *******. Dhinaca maamulka Muqdisho ayaa sidoo kale naloo xaqiijiyey inay ka qayb galeen kulankaas Wasiirka arimaha dibada ee shiikh shariif kana soo jeeda beesha ******. Sidoo kale waxaa kulankaas goobjoog ka ahaa wasiirka arimaha gudaha ee maamulka shiikh shariif kana soo jeeda beesha **** iyo weliba wasiirka maaliyada ee maamulka shiikh shariif kana soo jeeda beesha *********. Ilaa hada lama oga ujeedada dhabta ah ee shirkan qarsoodiga ah balse waxaa loo malaynayaa in maamulka Shiikh shariif aanu waxba ka qabin kala goynta Somalia hadii uu taageero ka helo maamulka Siilaanyo si dib loogu soo doorto. Kala soco Xargaga Online ka qayb galeyaashii shirkan qarsoodiga ah ee ka dhacay magaalada Abu-dabey magacyadooda iyo weliba wixii uu ku dhamaaday shirkaasi. XOL

Pushing federalism and a constitution through the troat of Somalia isn't "pragmatical". Second as you first 'there is no shaki about federalism', I await your respond to the points made by more the 60 scholars as you have disqualified me and other nomads as crazy.

Naxar, you can disqualify my online character. That is ok, I am sure yours doesn't receive 5star approval rate from everyone either. But to say 'shaki kama jiro federalismka Somalia loo wado' aint correct either. Check this article I posted earlier on SOL, coming from 60 Somali scholars who all say otherwise. http://ncfsomali.net/index.php/forum-papers/56-consultation-draft-constitution-the-next-somali-liberator

Qandalawi, anigu waxan ku diiday dastuurka ayaan ku sheegiyay oo ahaa ogoladashada 'federal states'. waxaan ku tusiyay sababo lagu diidi karo dastuurka. Oba tusale kale ayuu sheegay. and doesnt mean we want peoples houses to be occubied.

Qandalawi, after opposing secession for 20 years. how can you say the unity of the country is not imporant now? Isnt a united country and united goverment what creates real stablity and security??

Qandalawi;823440 wrote: ^Saaxib, its true majority of those that are against the constitution happen to be those that denied to vacate other people's houses even after President Shariif made statement and the decree to do so. It's the same usual suspects all over again. How can they accept a just Somali constitution when they are denying to leave someone else's property. War ninkii diiday inuu kabxo guri uusan lahayn wax kadheh bal adigu Carafaadow. Qandalawi, how will "federal" clan states help to vacate those houses? a genuine inclusive goverment could do that. Just look at the ICU period when they gave back houses to people and Farmaajo's cabinet period which marked a turning point. But a goverment build on a winner takes all mentality will never be able to nor a Somalia of dozens clan states. Will only create a new wave clan wars, more green lines through cities and regions while Muqadishu is recovering now for the first time.

Qandalawi;823437 wrote: It was a good debate. This issue of Somaliland and TFG talks are overrated. I think Somaliland is better off the way they are, and the TFG needs to do a lot of work to fix the rest of Somalia and then, and only then talks must resume. To me these talks are pointless, what is Somaliland going to get from these talks? Nothing. Why is the TFG exhausting efforts and time on a region that has remained peaceful (apart from the war going on in SOOL) for the most part of the last two decade if the agenda to get them back to the union, prioritize and focus, deal with the south and then after that put you effort to re-institute the union. this one is the for achive. Qandalawi, so how should we perceive all the "Mindimo" talk or the "we oppose the break up of Somalia" talk?

Qandalawi;823435 wrote: No harm in this constitution, it's actually the most fair and balanced document ever when it comes to getting and recognizing everyone's duly and deserved rights, just power distribution and maintaining equal political stability. However, its the usual suspects that are against, those that want to keep the nation hostage, those that deny to vacate other people residential and fear that they lose all they have if fair, just, law and order returns. In their calculation, they believe they are better off in chaos and in the midst statelessness confusion . Come on Qandalawi, you can do better then "the your with the constitution or your an anti peace'. One can turn in around and say the same for those supporting the constitution that they 'wish more clan wars' for Somalia.

Somalia;823397 wrote: @Shinbir, I can see from your writing that your blood is boiling. Garowe is now a city, has 10s of thousands of people, living in a spacious city. However, this is the alternative to thuggery and it was speculated last year. Somalia is not a ship that you can simply abduct and relocate. Its a boat and we are all on it, no way abduction or relocation, No Piracy of Somalia.

2 Somalia's. One clan based Federal in Garowe led by Pirates and one in Muqdisho. Is this why Faroole is building this hugh Parliament? Federal Somalia according to Faroole Federal President: Faroole, Puntland Federal PM: Caalin, Gamudug Federal FM: geeljire from ASWJ Federal Paliemand Chair: Faarax from SNM State Federal Army Chief; some clan guy from Waax waaxdi No sane person would ever support another decade of clan based wars inginted by fighting clan Based warlords"President" fighting over land, power and chairs.

Clan States doesn't work for Somalia. Che ignores his crumbling Puntland, divided Galkacyo, 4 clan states in Galgaduud/Mudug, clan war in Beletweyn, and the 3 or 4 "State's" in Kismayo all competing for power of the Federal State. Puntlan's new tactic of divide and rule. It won't work Somali are aware of what is going on and that this whole process is being abducted by Faroole.

We oppose "Federale States" and want the original Somali Provinces to remain. We don't want clan states igniting a new wave of a Somali civil war. Proof: division igniting clan flight in Mudug, Galakacyo, Beletweyn, soon in Kismayo, Galgaduud. No more clan wars! Igniting by Federalism. Xiin wuu is yeelyeeliyaa. He knows why most Somali's oppose Federalism and "Federal States".

I really don't understand what Faroole/Abdiwali would gain by sabotaging the talks. How will the current status quote help the Somali people.

Sheick Shariif is opposed, Galmudug is against. Let's burn this anti-Somali document, I say.

Carafaat is off from work coming week. Mostly he will terrorize SOL or Londen. Will be decided tomorrow.

War jajabantii ayaa ku baratay oo magacagi u sheegtay. Wiil asxaab nahay sidaas ayaa gabar labaad lagu daray, intu isbaray, ayee adeerki loo yimi kadib. Saxiib waad sigatay, second wive ayaa ku sigatay.

Somalia;823262 wrote: Manifesto was one of the most successful political groups in Somali history. If you call the killings that were ignited by Manifesto succesfull, its up to you sxb. Gaadhhaye, Its public knowledge that Puntland and its TFG agent Abdiwali are disrupint the Somalia-Somaliland talks. Jirde is not a Politician and won't be able to disrupt the talks nor knows Somaliland inner circle dealings. Come back with something else rather then the same old disruptive politics. We know pirate's moves by now.