Yunis, what people object are not the PM words but the whole proces of drafting, amending and now approving this document. But it seems you haven't read the objections.

Transition will end anyway in august, irrelevent of what elders say. But the Tradtional elders have been flown in to approve a constitution that has not been published yet. I hope they get some time to read it or atleast someone reads it to the illiterate elders.

Taleexi;825434 wrote: Xabsiga 'SL' ma buuxsamo miyaa ? During UDUB's time prisons were quite crowded. Riyaale used to pardon hundreds of prisons with Eid-ul Fitr. But the last two years prisons have been expanded and new ones were build, even a Pirate prisons build. So there is the hugh over capacity on prison cells.

Haatu, you are right if the process was transparent and the final draft would be published. Then indeed one could voice all arguments coming constitutional meeting. But what if it's not made public? The traditional elders will be suprised with a new final draft for approval, which they cant consult with their constituency and public. Giving them no time to study and amend it. odayasha wa la afdubaniyaa.

Xiin, adeer nobody is against Puntlanf. And Mario has a right to reject the politics of piracy.

ElPunto;825369 wrote: ^Draft can be interpreted in many ways. I mean the new constitution should be exactly like 1960 with clauses removing centralization and adding decentralization . decentralization iyo federalism are two diffrent things. you can have decentralization and regions managing own affairs without federalism.

nabadu kuma xirna dastuurkan la dooniyo ina Somalia loo afduubo Faroole iyo federation.

Traditional elders flown in from villages from across Somalia will be asked to adopt the constitution in less then two weeks on the 15th of May. It's not wise to hide the constitution from the public and experts to provide input, or atleast inform their own elders. Some say the constitution can be amended later. But if Somalia adopts a federal constitution, this would mean that power lies with the Federal state's who can block any change. Giving non-elected and undemocratic Clan State leaders defacto a vetopower on all Somali matters. Making matters even worser then the 4.5 where someone like Faroole, Caalin had limited powers. Mukulaal, its strange that the constitution was finalized 2 weeks ago and its still not published. Maxaa la qariniyaa?

PRESS RELEASE: Draft Constitution Delivered on Schedule Mogadishu, April 23, 2012. Prime Minister Abdiweli Mohamed Ali has today affirmed the finalization of the draft constitution on 20 April 2012 by the Independent Federal Constitution Commission (IFCC) and Committee of Experts (CoE) in conformity with the Charter stipulations, the Roadmap timelines and the Garowe principles. The efforts of the TFG and the IFCC and the CoE was a culmination of eight years of sustained concentration on the constitutional making process, marred by failures, setbacks and successes. In 2004, it was agreed through the provisions of the then new Charter that a crucial priority of ending the transitional arrangements was to complete a Federal Consitution based on equity, fairness and justice. The government of Prime Minisiter Abdwali Mohamed early in its mandate prioritized its agenda through the Road Map signed on September 6, 2011, and one of the key benchmarks contained in the Road Map was a call to complete the draft constitution by April 20, 2012. The Prime Minister said “ It is with certain pride that I announce that a key benchmark task of the Road Map has been achieved on time and I want to thank the Somali public who through public participations made passionate contributions to the document, the IFCC and the CoE who placed the public interest before their private interests, the Ministers of the Ministry of Constitutional Affairs and Reconciliation, my staff and also our technical partners in the international community for making this important milestone a reality” The Prime Minister reiterated that the delivery of the draft constitution represents a significant milestone in the path towards a new constitution for the Somali people with compliance of Shari ‘a Law and will usher a new era of constitutional processes that will enable the Somali people to become a society bound by a constitutional regime based on humane foundational principles and objective fair processes, and never ever to be dictated to by the whims of powerful individuals, groups or ideologies. The draft constitution will be presented to the National Constituent Assembly for adoption on May 15, 2012, as agreed to in the Roadmap and with the Garowe Principles. The Constituent Assembly comprising 825 delegates from a cross section of Somali society will consider the draft constitution for a two-week period and then vote on the provisional ratification of the draft constitution. The Prime Minister emphasized that a positive vote from the National Constituent Assembly will turn the draft into the Provisional Constitution of Somalia. It will remain provisional until the government can organize a national referendum to give each Somali man and woman the opportunity to vote on the Somali constitution. “ This constitution belongs to the Somali people- men, women, children, old. If we use it properly, maintain it properly, improve it properly, it can become a powerful instrument for our collective liberation from oppression, human rights violations and all forms of indignities. Used properly, it will also usher in greater freedoms, economic development and prosperity.” Concluded the Prime Minister. END -

Is Dr.Ali Khaliif Galeyr from South Somalia? Or Prof.Samater?

Xiin, Somalia is slowly restoring and Muqdisho is rebuilding. Even without the constitution we will push for peace and development within a year. No need for a constitution creating 12x another Faroole, who have divided and destroyed what they were suppoed to build. We belief Somalia deserves better, adeer.

If the President rejects and the PM promotes it, clearly its not something which is agree upon and therefor can never be a Somali constitution.

Abwaan;825266 wrote: don't you think inaad messenger wax ka fileysid Carafaat....Soomaalidu dastuur qoris illaa iyo 2004 baa la ga sugayey oo dad bay mashruuc lacag lagu qaato u noqotay....Cabdiweli walaa kuwa u heesayaaba dastuurkaan waxba kalama socdaan ee waxayba iiskaga niikinayaan muusik loo daaray. Abwaan, you are right. But still I think the constitution should be something shared by us all. Things like Federalism is not something which we agree upon and its not up Abdiwali and his consultants in the name of Xiinfaniin should decide. I think its unessecary and polarizing for no reason.

over 60 Somali scholars denounced the 2010 draft constitution. http://ncfsomali.net/index.php/forum-papers/56-consultation-draft-constitution-the-next-somali-liberator

Xiin, read this thread why Somali's oppose the draft constitution of 2010.

xiinfaniin;825295 wrote: ps. maanta oo kale lama kala haro awoowe , when Yalaxow becomes the intellectual and the standard bearer of Xamar xaaladu ma fiicna Xiin, soodiga diiday Prof.Samater iyo Dr.Ali Khaliif Galeyr. Next to these man, over 60 Somali scholars opposed the draft one. Xiin, has failed to show us sone intellectual who support it.

Abtigiis;825253 wrote: I support Xinnfanin on this, i really do not know what these people are oppossing!! I have not read the document, but from what i hear i do not see any major problem with it. I do not like the federal set up but then this is a matter political parties can set as an agenda in the future elections and the constitution is a living document which can be amended anytime. Soomalidu meela uma socdaan, dan shaqsi iyo mid qabiil ayaa kaga weyn wax walba!! Abtigiis, you assume that once we go 'federal' it's possible to change it, without "states" blocking that. adeer defacto veto power ayaa la siiniyaa gobolo nin shaqsi u afduuban. federalism Somali gunta ayee la galisaa.

xiinfaniin;825201 wrote: ^^Add Turkey to teh equation. This is a great moment for Somalia. We cannot allow the Ulusows, Yalahows, Galaydhs, and greive stricken separatists to errect another Isbaaro to slow the wheels of progress Somalia have made in the last few months. Turkey wants us to have this constitution was the most hilarious argument of Xiin Xiin doesnt have a high regard for Ree r konfur, marku waxaas oo kale la imaniyo.

Gheele, transition and Somalia's future structure are two sperate things. Xiin already tried that cheap argument and it Was rebuffled. Somalia will pas transition anyway, but nobody says you need a new constitution to do that nor that it has to be A federal structure. Next argument. Why are Puntlanders so keen on this particular constitution most haven't seen yet?

Xiin,sheekadii waa beleysay. Very fatal mistake sxb. How will you sell the constitution now?

We support the Somali President and denounce Federalism and this constitution. Xiin doesn't belief in Federalism, but still supports his ùncle and this flawd constitution.

We want the official TFG published version. Not the illegal pirate version Xiin rewrote and posted on his clan website sanaagmedia.

NGONGE;825124 wrote: ^^ What's Xiin got to do with anything here? His misplaced trust in another dodgy cause has nothing to do with the awful conduct of the Somali PM. Naga daa dee. I don't think Xiin is naïve, adeer. Xiin waa oday, laakinse wuxu iibiyay princbleskiisi. Tolow codkiisa meqa la siista ama maxa lagu siina. Kolay kursi ayuu ugu balan qaaday Faroole. Taleexi;825148 wrote: Ra'isul wasaaraha su'aalaha badan ka daaya.

Mukulaalow;825119 wrote: adiga ma support gareysantahay Carafaat, haddaa tiraaho maya "which article". Marka hore meeyay official final draftkii constitutionka? Ma Xiin iyo pirates kaliya ayaa la tusay. Kii aan arkay ee 2010kii waxaan ku diiday, federationka. Somalia kamee tashan structurkii lagu mmaamuli lahaa Somalia. Xiin, horey ayaanu ugu hadallnay arintaas. Adigu macaa ma rabtid, laakinse Faroole ayaa rabtaa ina ku qancisid.

Yes, abdiwali is a little rabbit caught in the headline. But what is Xiinfaniin's role. The park ranger protecting endangeroud species.