Dont think so.

This is hilarious and yet shamefull when you realize this is the reality in 2012. Its almost like play in a theater, but then in real life and same people take their role to serieuz.

oba hiloowlow;840100 wrote: Somewhere in SL please XX and Co if u know this place magaca inoo sheegaa Looks like the historic Ottoman Mosque in Berbera. It has been renovated. Can you post the post mosques In Dilla and Borama, I remember seeing mosques with a unique design there.

Kudos to Abtigiis and all fathers. Next week waa Fathers Day. There should be a song for fathers, how we appreciate their love and support.They are an undervalued lot while their support means much to us.

Chimera;839940 wrote: A man can tell you the weather, but that doesn't make him a weatherman. To say that Somalia is suitable for a ship-building industry is not visionary, it's common sense. However a person that creates a detailed plan that could lead to the existence of such an industry is 'visionary'. Yes, you are right. there is a real visionary out there.https://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&sclient=psy-ab&q=establishment+of+A+shipyard+industry+In+Somalia&oq=establishment+of+A+shipyard+industry+In+Somalia&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...2996.2996.1.3322.1.1.0.0.0.0.122.122.0j1.1.0...0.0.0oAUNvT1ax8&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=d423a6b3518b3adf&biw=1024&bih=499 Valenteenah.;840015 wrote: It's a cute car, what's the quality like, I wonder? Freulein Valenteenah, wie gehst ihnen? es macht uns froh, dich zu sehen. Wo waren sie dann?

Both majority of Oromos and Somalis are opposed to the regime. But Zenawi uses the old age strategy of divide and rule. As long as the people are distracted with these kind of petty local land disputes, they are focussed battling eachother rather then Zenawi. May I remind you that these border demarcation are false and unvalid with the historic one, as long as Diredawa etc are kept outside Somali region. wax fahma.

Che -Guevara;839972 wrote: Xiin....I think it depends how you look at the situation in all of Somalia including Waqooyi. I see Somalia as country that broke down to the very basic components namely clans and sub-clans despite the semblance of some governance in the north and northeast. The question for all Somalis is does each clan speak for itself and commit themselves to the union or do we allow pseudo-administrations speak for all tribes that they believe is under domain? Che, interesting and very relevent question that has confused the Somali political consolidation process over a 15 years. My take os this is that during the civil wars between the rebel groups begin of '90's 'Somalis' ( or rather rebels using entire clan names were fighting along clan lines) and we know that(traditionally) in times of crisis or fighting few go against the clan line or side of the conflict. And when clans fight along clan lines they also reconciale and make peace along clan lines. the clan system proving the very purpose it is intended for like it has been the case for centuries. This led to the false belief that Somalia can be only governed along clan lines. All the clans in Somalia reconcialed, but still most Conferences and initiatives to reconstruct a Somali state along clan lines failed. Now this surely should raise the question if Somalia can be governed based on clan lines? If it could, then Somalia would have a full functioning goverment(TNG) in 2000 or in 2004(TFG). But it didnt. How about Puntland and Somaliland? Some state that these States equal to clans? But I disagree with that notion and think we should diffrentiate goverment administration and clans. Lets take Somaliland, The 'Sultan' of the Duriyad in Somaliland, Suldaan Mahamed Suldaan Abdiqadir fully participated in the Arta Conference and was even arrested by the authorities went he tried to return. My own Sultan was even arrested by Dahir Riyaale! Ugaas of Borama recently visited Borama for the first time ever from his base in Jigjiga, till the last moment it was not even sure if the local authorities would led him in, Sultan of Makhir regurly visit in Hargeysa and has even went to Garowe. While Erigavo falls under Somaliland authority, LasQoray by Puntland and Badhan/Dhahar authorities both cooperate with Somaliland and Puntland. Faroole is the President of Puntland and his goverment controls Garowe, Qardho, Bosasso, etc. But didnt even control Lascanood while he had support of all the Garaads? Can one say Siilanyo speaks on behalf of his clan? No he doesnt and he even arrested a clan elder(Buurmadoow) while another is in Muqdisho? Can one really state that Faroole represents and speaks on behalf of Beesha? no, he doesnt. The recent examplle of Islaan Bashir defying Faroole and going to Muqdisho while Faroole ordered all the elders to return proves this. Conclusion: Clans are based on the undeniable bond of blood, have their systems and structures. And this absolute not comparable nor related to governance that is based on power, control and enforcement of laws. And to answer your question. Politicly Somaliland and Puntland Authorities represent all those living in the regions they control, irrelevent of ones clan. And if you ever might want to marry a girl from Hargeysa dont bother inviting Siilanyo, invtite the girls traditional clan elders, that is their role .

Yes, we can do much better. Ethiopians are not known to be the entrepreneurial but have strong State insitutions guarding the interest. Private initiative with a goverment creating the enabling enviroment is a necessary, and is the way forward for Somalia.

Wadani, the intentions of Zenawi's regime are well known. This purpose of the demarcation is to cause division and feud between Oromo's and Somalis. Wax fahan.

To hold the title of Professor one should hold a Lecturing position at a University. It's a title you can carry with you, its a title coming with a particular position at a Universities.

Good of Sheick Shariif to use the elders.

it looks like a difficult exercise. I question if the there is a real distuingishable border between the two Somali and Oromo brother tribes.

Chimera, your a man with a vision. We could become friends, unfortuantly your ego,flair and arrogance stand in the way.

the models, engineering and financing came from Holland(www.fmo.nl), all the spareparts come from Asia. And the goverment supported by 300% import tax on foreign cars, thats how you create an industry. Kudos to the neighbours!

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;839774 wrote: Qofka sawirda ka muuqdo Sifir miyaa? Soomaali mabda' toos malaha, waxaa u daran kaliya jeebkooda. At least he is soft goosashadoon folk, I guess. He is Somalilands representetive in Kenya. in couple of months the guy went from outlow to Ambassador.

He looks young.

loool@Coofle.

http://www.holland-car.com/ This is the Shebelle

Amazing pictures MMA. Keep them coming sxp. p.s. ant tips how I can grow my hair like that?

Well done by Nigeria. Check the cars that are made in Ethiopia, called Holland cars. Spareparts come from abroad.

Abtigiis, I agree 100% with you. Moonlight, Political reality is a bit more complicated then clan based simplicity your vieuws are determined by. Look at the bigger picture in Somalia, waa iga talo.

Moonlight, politicly Abtigiis is right and they all stink. But if I had to choose military between Al Shabaab and TFg supported Azania/Jubbaland/Raskambooni winning the battle. then my choice is clear.

waan gartay sxb. markaa sheekadu wee cadahay. Haatu tolow dhinacee ayuu raaca. Moonlight, Abtigiis and I support any Somali group fighting Al Shabaab. this has been discussed to great extend.where do you stand?

Jacaylbaro;839242 wrote: Soo noqnoqoshadaasiba waa halka la iga raacaye ,,,,, Now labadaas tiro ma isugu geynaa dee ,,, Total ?? waryahe, adigu mar marka accountkaga ma qurumo kala ayaa la wareega.

Manfesto meeting in Muqdisho, January 1991. It seemed like a good idea to exclude SNM, USC, SPM from the meeting at that time. sorry, i know its not the political section. But it made me think of the many colosal mistakes we have done in the past. Manifesto to start with.