My guess would be just before or just august.

oba hiloowlow;843573 wrote: Carafaat fowdaada jooji Waryaa Oba, tooshka maxaa ku diidisaa? We want to know what your ideology and intention is. At these kind of days I miss Somalina, she had you through and would not hesitate to undress your hidden agenda.

OdaySomali, shall build sush a bridge in Sanaag?

When it comes to family related social issue's, Yes I do. I do not belief that western concepts of social liberty have made their socities more happier or brought more social solutions, it only created new social problems. Families are the corner stone of every society. Somali families have been unrooted by the social changes of the last 50 years together with the wars of the last 30 years. Adding more confusion or doubting the concepts of the fundements of such a young society is irresponsible My advice would be, let it be, let it be.

Abwaan, bal no sheeg ujeedada Oba. Waa maxay siyadadahan u hoosta ku wato.

Wadani;843550 wrote: Somaliland go'doonka ha ka soo baxdo. We are witnessing the rebirth of somalia, and wat better event to reignite the untamable passions of Somali nationalism and serve as an impetus for a full somali recovery than a union. If Siilaayno is brave enough, he can go down in history as one of the best Somali leaders ever. True that. It's a matter of time before a new Somali nationalism is born.

Che, don't you think some issues are better not mentioned or discussed? The public unrest, division and heissa created among the masses doesn't weight against the benefits you seek for the few.

Those who oppose these talks or wish it to fail, wether they are from Somaliland, Puntland or Somalia, are the real opponents of the Somali people. :mad:

Alpha, are you ashamed to be seen with your friend who is an ex-convict? Are you that superficial, that you care what others think? Your friends deserves a better friend!

Wishfull thinking. We share air, we share water, we share people, we share land, we share businesses, we share jaad, we share Al Shabaab, we share the problems of piracy, we share a country. That's how it is.

Toxic waste was being dumped in Somali Sea the last two decades by Italian companies and with approval from their Somali counter parts, long before EU naval mission arrived. Sayid, what are you trying to hide?

EUobserver.com Wednesday, June 20, 2012 The EU special envoy for Somalia is looking into a fresh report that pirates are in business with Italian gangsters on toxic waste. The Paris-based criminologist, Michel Koutouzis, who carries out investigations for the UN and for EU institutions, described the problem in a new book - Crime, Trafficking and Networks - published in May. He said organised crime groups in south Italy - the Camorra, 'Ndranghetta and La Sacra Corona Unita - supply Somalian warlords with black market small arms from the Western Balkans in return for permission to dump waste. "Tonnes of waste are discharged every year off the coasts of Somalia, Sudan and Eritrea under the noses of countless warships which control sea freight in the Read Sea and the Gulf of Aden," he explained. He noted that part of the income - worth "hundreds of millions of euros a year" - is laundered via the tourist industry in Kenya and Tanzania. He added the practice has been going on for years: a UN report in 2005 said the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami broke up deposits of lead, cadmium and mercury as well as hospital and chemical waste, which washed up on the shore near the coastal towns of Hobbio and Benadir, killing some 300 people. Speaking to press in Brussels on Tuesday (19 June), the EU's special envoy for the Horn of Africa, Alexander Rondos, a former Greek diplomat, said the book has come to his attention. "It has been passed on to people who are better equipped than I am to look into it ... people are checking into it," he said. "We need to find out who is funding them [somalian privateers]. They are part of a much bigger problem we face in the Indian Ocean - the globalisation of organised crime. Investigations are under way." British rear admiral Duncan L. Potts, who commands the EU's anti-piracy mission, Atalanta, said a new Regional Anti-Piracy Prosecution and Intelligence Co-ordination Centre - which aims to target pirate's financial activities - is "getting off the ground" in the Seychelles. He added that he has no hard evidence of the Italian link, however. For his part, Koutouzis, in an interview in his home in Paris last Friday, told this website: "Of course they know about it. But they don't want to do anything." Potts noted that Atalanta seems to have turned a corner in terms of stopping attacks. Pirates seized 28 vessels in the first half of 2011, but just three in the second half of last year and five so far this year. Seven vessels and over 200 passengers and crew are currently being held for ransom. Some of them have been held for more than 18 months in "awful conditions" and are in bad health. Potts attributed the turnaround in part to an "exponential" increase in the use of private security firms by commercial shipping: more than half the 50,000-or-so vessels which pass through the region each year have their own guards. Their activities are regulated under the laws of the country where the ship is registered, in many cases Liberia or Panama. "At the more responsible end of the market ... they fire warning shots and then four or five targeted shots to show that the ship is armed," he said. He did not have figures on how many pirates have been killed by private companies. He added that Atalanta plays the role of a "constabulary" rather than doing "warfighting" and that "to his knowledge" the troops under his command have not killed a single pirate in their three and half years of operations.

Looool@ Sayids poor attempt to smear Sheick Shariif. That's what you get when you concern yourself with trivialities.

Che, what do you think of Abtigiis raised issue? So called oil exploration used as political leverage? P.S. Uchi, all of that because one questions political strategy of Faroole?

Ngonge, how long shall we wait? Since 2006 everytime Burty Money is out of money, the oil is found and produced circus starts. Oil exploration takes a long time, let alone oil production. But the issue here is that oil exploration is already attemps to use it as leverage in Somalias politics.

Che -Guevara;843471 wrote: If only AT would spend this much time on calling reform of the ever not useful ONLF leadership. This another usual standard line, 'tuladada iska joog' iyo 'maxaa ka galay arimaha Puntland', ileyn nin reer hebel ayaa tahaye.

Shir looga hadlayo Mustaqbalka Soomaaliya oo Dowladda KMG ah iyo Somaliland uga furmay duleedka Magaalada London Arbaco, June 20, 2012 (HOL) — Shirkan oo looga hadlayo mustaqbalka Soomaaliya ee ay yeelanayaan xubnaha ka socda Soomaaliya iyo Somaliland oo socon doona laba maalmood ayaa looga hadli doonaa sidii labada dhinac ay u yeelan lahaayeen iskaashi dhinac walba ah. Dublamaasiyiin ka socda dalalka midowga Yurub, Norway iyo Britain oo shirka marti-gelinaysa ayaa lagu wadaa inay goobjoog ka ahaadaan wadahadallada maadaama ay ujeedooyinka dhinacyadu yihiin kuwo aad u kala fog. Shirka ayaa socon doona gellinka dambe ee maanta iyo berri oo dhan, waxayna isku dayayaan dalalka ka qaybgalaya inay labada dhinac isku soo dhaweeyaan, iyadoo xubnaha ka socda Somaliland ay sheegeen in ujeeddada ugu weyn ee ay shirka ka leeyihiin ay tahay sidii ay aqoonsi ku heli lahaayeen. Xubnaha ka socda dowladda KMG ah ayaa iyaguna sheegay in qorshahoodu yahay sidii ay labada dhinac heshiis uga gaari lahaayeen is-faham-waaga muddada dheer soo jirtay ee u dhexeeya Soomaaliya iyo Somaliland oo iskeed ugu dhawaaqday in ay ka go'day Soomaaliya. Kulankan ayaa wuxuu qayb ka ahaa qodobbadii kasoo baxa shirkii looga hadlayay arrimaha Soomaaliya ee bishii Feberaayo sannadkan ka dhacay magaalada London ee dalka Britain, iyadoo aan saadaal laga bixin karin waxa kasoo bixi shirkan. Haddii shirkan la isku af-garto waxaa lagu wadaa in madaxweynaha Soomaaliya, Shariif Sheekh Axmed iyo madaxweynaha Somaliland, Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) ay ku kulmaan magaalada Dubai ee dalka Isu-tagga Imaaraadka Carabta inkastoo aan la ogeyn waxay kulankooda uga hadli doonaan. Somaliland oo ku dhawaaqday inay ka go'day Soomaaliya inteeda kale bishii May ee sannadkii 1991-kii ayaa waxay muddo badan baadi-goob ugu jirtay sidii ay ku heli lahayd madaxbannaani, halka madaxda dowladda KMG ah ay sheegeen in shirkan ay uga faa'iideysanayaan in dib loo mideeyo Soomaaliya. Maxamed Xaaji Xuseen, Hiiraan Online maxuseen@hiiraan.com Muqdisho, Soomaaliya

Abtigiis;843453 wrote: I can understand if Uchi falls for thick oil sham; I can never understand how SayidSomal can think the oil story is true!! They all know there won't be no oil production anytime coming 10 years. But if Dubai can have a Royal House, loyal subjects, booming economy and still have no or little oil income. Then so shall Qardho.

Somalia, then we are in an agreement. You guard the Royals not doing something crazy. And Somaliland will not secessede, I will make sure ofthat.

Somalia, how about the Qardho secessionist.

Somalia, the Minister of Interior is a fellow Mudugian appointed by Abdiwali himself. You should support the man.

The oil story was meant to get political leverage in Somalias politics, constitution making process, and the coming elections. But none of it has worked, thanks to Abdiwali and Islaan Bashiir. Who broke up Faroole's unholy alliance. The boqors stands alone and I am sure Faroole is content with being governor of booming city of Garowe. Sayid, Moonlight, Dr.Osman, Uchi, Burnt Money. All the boqor kids are angry, they dreamt of becoming the Somali version of Emirati princes. And the rest of Somalis becoming their subjects.

I don't think Faroole will give up so easily. Let's see what his senior advisor/strategist Dr.Osman will do.

Qardo guys mostly gave me the honour of calling me a Puntland hater when I opposed federalism. But now they give Abtigiis the highest Honourary position one can attain by comparing him with Hitler.All because he spilled the strategy of using "oil" as Leverage in Somalias politics. I should have earned that title. Now Abtigiis gets all the credit. :-(

I truly commend Puntland politicians for their creativity. This so called oil story line is made up by one man in the name of Burnt Money, filling his pocket from speculation on the Australian stock market but creativly also distracting the masses with so called stories of oil to be used as "leverage" in Somalia's politics. You have to admit the its a smart form of 'booto'. But what amazes me more is the ignorent folks, who fall for it everytime. Don't they learn, don't they think, can't they see?