Tillamook;868285 wrote: We should temper down all the unnecessary hostilities and animosities that your community feels towards the rest of Somalia. Dadka qaar wee iska hadlaan. Aduun ba lama socdaan, war goorma Somalia kugu dambeysay? Xaaji Xunjuf's community is the last one you canaccuse of creating 'hostilities' or 'instability' for Somalia. Mise waxa internetka ayaa run mooday. Miskiin.

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;868768 wrote: We are talking about 'foreign' visits, particularly foreign capitals. Travelling within Soomaaliya kama hadleyno now, which I am sure he will in no time. His first visit should go to Djibouti. Just like Siilanyo did when he got elected back in 2010.

Xaaji, adigu sidee ayaa u xirataa cimamada mise kofiyad zazibari ayaa qadataa?

Shinbir Majabe;868489 wrote: Ditoore! we shall discuss this after 2 or 3 weeks, (PM ka marki la magacaabo).. haddii kale beecdaalis ayay noqoneysaa inaan ka doodno arintaan haddane PM loo magacaabo reer kale! :D

Carafaat;868087 wrote: The Presidents is determined to continue the talks with Somaliland and remove any obstacle that stands in the way of these talks. That is the right direction. He has my blessings. What does he mean with any obstacle standing in the way of the talks? Maybe the likes of Faroole by chance.

So this is what gave Duke nightmares.

Che, dee saxiibka Duke wax maad u sheegtid. wuu xiiqay dee.

Yes, he is a friendly and intelligent guy. Lets hope he surrounds himself with equal minded folks.

Xaaji Xunjuf;868698 wrote: That was Boqor Buurmadow Boqor buur madow cannot be really trusted. How about Boqor Raabi, Suldaan Mahamed Suldaan Abdiqadir mediating on behalf of Dhirta in Somalia. naga daya dee.

Abtigiis, neither in South nor Somaliland would have benefit from clan based maamuls. You assume a disintegration of clans in Somaliland(3 States) and a integration of clans in Somalia(the 5 States). war Somali waa isku mid. Clan based maamuls dont work. Why else would Jubbaland and Azania work now together to create one maamul. Or would Ximan and Xeeb talk about a merger with ASWJ, Galmudug, etc.

Somali elders know no boundries. They have mediated so many times in conflicts around the Somali penisula. Just remember the mediating role they had in the war between Cadde Muuse and Abdullahi Yusuf. just an example.

Mintid Farayar;868609 wrote: Carafaat, Ooh, how I wish you hadn't shared that little fact with them, especially the family part It's been nice seeing certain corners attempt to fan the North/South issues (so they can further uncloak themselves). Notice the vitriol that comes from particular individuals at the slightest posting from Mintid Sxb,normally I wouldnt have bothered myself. But I find this old form of politics based on division getting boring. Some individuals need to become creative and come with a new niche.

There are some folks in Somaliland and in Somalia would oppose these talks and would wish these talks to end soon, to maintain the current status quo. Folks like Ali Dhimbil should join hands with Faroole to sabotage these talks.

Abtigiis;868634 wrote: In fact, according to a very well connected veteran former SNM fund-raiser, only about 30% off the major clan in Somaliland are crazy about secession. Now, before you lynch me, that is what these insiders say not what I fabricate. Anyway, the somalia-Somaliland talks can only take the following shape and stages: Stage 1: SL insists on two-state solution (somaliland Indepedence). Somalia says no and the international community affrims the inviolability of Somalia's unity. Stage 2: SL realises that it can not seek secession and tables a demand for Confederation format. This too is rejected by Somalia because Somaliland is not a UN recognised country and Confederation is between two soverign entities who agree to come togather Stage 3: SL accepts the Federal System but insists the British Somaliland regions to be treated as one Federal unit. It is a fair request but then Awdal and Khaatumo may seek their own Federal status now that the British Somaliland identity is punctured. Scenario 4: Somaliland lives with the federal system but there will be 3 fedral states in the north and about 5 in the south. Scenario 5: SL leaders from the majority clan refuse to accept Stage 3 and shun alll approachs by Somalia and the international community and ready themselves for a war if it comes to that. This is unlikely to happen. Wars are not fought simply because a politician wants them but there has to be an element of oppression that the people who are supposed to rise up experience. In the absence of any attack from Somalia, the major clan in SL will see no point in rallying behind a war cry. The call for arms will then fall on deaf ears after a while. With other communities already getting in touch with Mogadishu, it will be hard to sustain a unilateral independence status. Conclusion: SL must negotiate a fair deal as soon as possible, Time is not on its side. Of course, all of this is assuming the south is finally out of the woods politically and stability-wise. Naga daa dee. waxani waa wishful thinking. dad ba habeenkii ku riyoda . 1. You are entertaining yourself with the idea that clan=governance. 2. How else would you compare a democratic governance system with full fledged institutions with not one but 5 phantom States in Somalia. 3. Who will benefit from breaking up a goverment in 3 pieces, only to united later with 8 other pieces. Governance is about capability, who would want to divide capability and authority? 4.Belgium, Serbia and Montenegro, former Union of Sudan and South Sudan are all examples of Confederations. Of which non are int souvereign recongnized as independent States. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederation 5. You assume Federalism will become the norm in Somalia. If you read the constitution, you would know Parliament has the authority if and which regions will form States. Lets wait if the new Parliament is convinced of the fact that several regions wll become States. The new Parliament is filled with anti-federalist. 6. Somaliland is the last thing on the mind of Somalia's leaders. And if Somalia would have the capacity to wage war, I think it would wage a war against Al Shabaab, against ASWJ secte, against Faroole, against Kenyan funded Azanians, against pirates, against thieves who occupu people's land, against Xabashi's entering border towns, against illegal fishers, etc. 7. You say Somaliland should make haste and negoitiate a fair deal. While one could also say, Somalia's goverment should negoitiate a deal while Siilanyo still is in office. And before the boy/girl born in 1988, who is 24 years old take over and become the leaders of Somaliland. I can assure you those boys and girls will be more difficult to talk to, then a Siilanyo who remembers the good old days of a strong Somalia. 8. Sxb, you know as I do where the current negoitiaten and the future of Somaliland and Somalia is heading to. Marka waxba ha is indhatirin.

Mintid Farayar;868596 wrote: Somalis of the South are busy celebrating the successful transfer of positions between two presidents in very trying circumstances. Why is it that all posters attempting to bring up the complex issue of Somaliland/Somalia relations hail from those same marginal corners?? Is it because their only coin can be gained by pitting Hargeisa vs. Mogadishu? Is that the only way to gain relevance again after a losing hand attempting to gain the Presidency in Mogadishu? Makes one wonder... True that. But still we need to find a new corner for our brothers from Bari, the previous corner is to marginal.

General Duke;868571 wrote: The TFG was talking to Somaliland State of Somalia. The TFG is no more, now you have to talk to a man who's not interested in money, or votes. A man who has a clear vision of unifying Somalia... Even better if you ask me.

Duke, maybe you missed the news the last year Somaliland and Somalia are talking. How about the Galkacyo maamuls? are you still against a United administration for Galkacyo and Mudug.

1. The PM is not the Royal kingdom seat of Kenadiid. 2. The President is from upper Somalia(Galmudug)/PM should come from southern Somalia. 3. PM from Al Shabaabs stronghold region can gather support to defear Al Shabaab for once and all. 4. A clan conflict in Kismayo should be prevented, with a PM from the region will get support from his people. 5. PM from Juba/Gedo region can prevent Kenya/Ethiopia establishing permanent position in the region.

war ha is xiijin ayaan ku iri. siyasadii isku dirka iyo isku dhufashada waa la fahmee.

Taleexi;868538 wrote: Somalilanders' mps elected the right man to lead in the next four years. Governor Siilaanyo needs to convince his masses the result. Siilanyo was elected by the masses to work on development, creating jobs, infrastructure and raise the national wellbeing. And that is what he is doing. They dont need to be convinced by Siilanyo, he just needs to do the job they elected him for.

The new President Hassan Sheick has visited Hargeysa and many other cities in Somaliland dozens of times in the last decade. He is a man who has collegues, friends and family in Somaliland. I have to disspoint General Duke, who thinks the new President of Somalia is an ignorent man like Ali Mahdi and Geedi. oo dhagta wax loogu sheegi karo, marka Generale ha is xiijin.

Somali's Internationally united. way to go.

Duke, the old pirate politics of isku dhufo Hargeysa iyo Muqdisho ma shaqeenisa. taas iminka wa la fahmay.