Who is the insane person who voted for Hargeisa. lol What a crack head.

I agree with MMM, those 5 things are MUQADAS, SACROSANCT in english. UNTOUCHABLE. WHO EVER DISSAGREES CAN GO TO HELL.

Salaamz, Thanks for the forward, May Allah have mercy on your SouL.

Salaamz, IMO, I think trying to place what we would term Standard Somali in a geographical area is a futile excercise. The reason is, it being Standard Somali, it has borrowed terms, idioms and parables from all the different dialects Somalis speak. Therefore, in construct, it is a center for all dialects and not wholy one form of one. Having said that, concidering the fact that the chief architecht of written Somali was from Togdheer, then it would heavily influence in the end product. However, the term DH that is heavily used in Togdheer and vicinity was replaced with R. That is why you have Cali Khalif Galaydh's name written like this, Cali Khalif Galayr (The Former Prime Minister of the TNG). The reason is, most Somalis do not use the DH as much, therefore it was abandoned to make a STANDARD SOMALI for all. Furthermore, in the reshaping of Somali, terms from Gaalkayco were used simply because, they are the most original terms that Somalis have. Lets take a look at say, Door. I would normally say, Albaab, but that is Arabic, and people from Gaalkacyo would say Irrid, and this what is officially PROPER SOMALI. You can see, Somali Spoken in the North, or in the South, are heavily peppered with Arabic, English or Italian, but some how, the natives of Gaalkacyo have unique Somali terms for certain things. Further, it being Some where in the Middle of Somalia, we can say it has been intrumental in bridging the gab between different dialects in that it has produced unique terms for certain words that have been adopted from foreign languages. P.S. Jabarti, lol I'm from Hargeisa my friend I have no clue what you just wrote. "WAARYAA SHUUN CABDILAAHAAY SANGALAYDHKII AAN GASHANAAYEE BAYTIL MAAYGA UGA TEGAY EE MIYAAD TUUDHAY MISE KABADHKAAD GELISAY" If I try and dissect this sentence, you have Waryaa which is a masculin pronoun, addressing a female name. It wouldn't happen, next time try a gender neutral term like "Walaal", or even "Nayaa". You can use the latter at your discretion. From there, you have a term that is new to me "Sungalaydh", and I think in the most part my Somali is profecient. Nevertheless, you have gone to some extremes because that is not every day language. Anyhow, the rest of the sentence you have mutalated the Somali. It should have been, Sangalaydhkii aan gashanayey ee aan kaga tagay baytilmayga miyaad tuurtay mise kabadhkaad gelisay. Now, here where u have TUUDHAY, I have tuurtay, for the simple fact that the letter R is found in Northern Dialect. lol Here Tuudhay becomes another word, namely TUDHAY. Anyhow, Jabarti, you tried to distinguish dialects from one another and you have used slang terms as your basis of analysis. If you really would like to know, which dialect is the closest, you have to do a scientific research, which looks at each word that is spoken, and to see if there is any other words for it. For example, if you want to look at the word ball. In the north it is called "Kubad", in the south it is called "Banooni". Here you can see a clear distinction, of the differences, in that there are only two words to compare. However, if there are words that are interchangable, like "Musqul, Baad, Xamaam,Suuli,BaytilMay" and they are used as frequently then it is harder to compare anything. For intance, there are different slangs here in Canada than in the U.S. but we can't use the slang to differenciate their differences. However we can look at how the words are spelled, and compare the difference. In anything, you have to do a controlled experiment to get the proper results, otherwise you'll include exteremes, and outliers that will nullify your results.

Salaamz, Soul, that is really frightening sister. I mean, I always thought a man could be judged by how he treats his mother. If he holds her up on a pedistal, then maybe the thinking was, he would place his wife up there too. I'm surprised you know of people who wish for men without mothers. I myself didn't see some of my grandparents and I wish I had. I wouldn't want that for my children at all. All I know is, being a momma's boy is one of the best things you could be in life. As you know, heaven is found under the feet of your mom, the closer you are to her, the closer you're getting to heaven.

Salaamz, I don't think shipping the problem is going to solve anything. In many cases, its the corrupt ones that were sent back, that have corrupted the youth backhome. In some other cases, back home aint all that pure, people just come back with bad habbits like chewing qaad and so forth. Although I recommend every one get a chance to see where their ancestors call home, I think its no alternative to good parenting.

Salaamz, As much as we may love being Somalis, and what we stand for, inevitably the environment we live in shapes who we are. At least, I haven't met a SOmali with the name ToM or **** . I mean, just look at chinise people, they change who they are the minute they step of the boat. Although to some extent they keep their culture and listen to thier chinise songs. lol All I can say is, by far Somalis are Somalis. Look at the nomads here, we fight every day even though we love each other. I guess we haven't lost much.

Salaamz, As much as we may love being Somalis, and what we stand for, inevitably the environment we live in shapes who we are. At least, I haven't met a SOmali with the name ToM or **** . I mean, just look at chinise people, they change who they are the minute they step of the boat. Although to some extent they keep their culture and listen to thier chinise songs. lol All I can say is, by far Somalis are Somalis. Look at the nomads here, we fight every day even though we love each other. I guess we haven't lost much.

Salaamz, As much as we may love being Somalis, and what we stand for, inevitably the environment we live in shapes who we are. At least, I haven't met a SOmali with the name ToM or **** . I mean, just look at chinise people, they change who they are the minute they step of the boat. Although to some extent they keep their culture and listen to thier chinise songs. lol All I can say is, by far Somalis are Somalis. Look at the nomads here, we fight every day even though we love each other. I guess we haven't lost much.

Salaamz, As much as we may love being Somalis, and what we stand for, inevitably the environment we live in shapes who we are. At least, I haven't met a SOmali with the name ToM or **** . I mean, just look at chinise people, they change who they are the minute they step of the boat. Although to some extent they keep their culture and listen to thier chinise songs. lol All I can say is, by far Somalis are Somalis. Look at the nomads here, we fight every day even though we love each other. I guess we haven't lost much.

Salaamz, Me too, all I know is, Oui Oui BonBon and all that good stuff.

Salaamz, Shaqsii, I don't know man. I think people need to give the couple their space. I mean, why would the extended family be involved to the extent they can be able to cause a tragedy as great as the break up of their union. Too many cooks spoils the broth. That's my take anyway.

Salaamz, It is sad, and I am remorsefull, but every time I see a group of Somalis discuss anything I can't help but be amused. It's as if no matter how well educated, or how much they have in common, they always find some way to dissagree. It's as if it is inevitable for any group of Somalis to agree on anything. This would have been healthy if the proponents or the detractors of any issue based their sentiments on reason. However, this is not so, and most often than not, dissagreement comes from the tendency that Somalis seem to have of being dictatorial. It's my way or the highway. It's as if trying to appeal to all is not desired, but rather only those who have the same narrow ideals are entertained. Any one else be damned.

Assalaamu Alaikum, I find a woman simply irresistable if she knows what she wants, has great confidence and is truly sweet. I really have no patience for women who lack intelligence. [This message has been edited by iLLsoMaLi (edited 05-19-2002).]