Hobbesian_Brute;971224 wrote: :confused: i just picked that name as joke, don't read too much into a moniker. I once read in a psychology blog that 75% of every joke is based on some sort of a perceived truth. I suppose you jokingly agree with Hobbes talk of savages and uncivilised cultures?Hobbesian brute!

^^ It is not much of a mystery to see your opinions and criticism of Islam originate from. It is all in the name, Hobbesian_brute is it?. You parade around the forum as if you are an emancipated intellectual preaching to a herd of unfortunate, stupefied, brainwashed peasants who need rescuing from Islam. But nothing could be further from the truth. There is nothing logical or rational about your opinions, it is nothing more than a tedious repetitions of the lies propagated by a wacky and insane coalition of Christians zealots, racists bigots, atheists and recently enlightened Muslims like yourself. Let me state from the outset, there is nothing wrong with critiquing Islam but the criticisms have be valid and constructive and not a placket condemnation of Islam and muslims. So my advice to you Hobbesian_ brute, it takes a lot more than reading view books and blogs to be rational and logical, you need to stop with these repetitive slogans and anti Islam smears and to start thinking for yourself. We will then take your criticisms of Islam seriously. Till then we will see you as a man whose judgement is appalling that he willingly takes the name of a man who considered Africans as inferior savages.

The Somali "Federal Government" does not care much for the unity of the Somali Republic.

Immigration is a recent phenomenon in southern and Eastern Europe so the comparison with Britain is grossly simplistic.

The UK has had ministers of African and Asian heritage before.

^^ " We can authentically argue our case because our deceits blind us to the truth and under the influence of self deception we'll hang ourselves if given enough rope". Ignorance is truly a bliss!. Those "ridiculous suggestions" are the documented testaments of the British regarding the treaty and its legality. But lets not get a minor inconveniences like the truth get on the way, instead we'll accept your unfounded innuendos and insinuations.

Tillamook;971077 wrote: You are simplifying the issue here. The mooriyaans from Galgaduud are occupiers who are forcibly holding onto properties and farms that do no belong to them. Am not here talking of the small hag communities that have always lived in the Shabeelooyin here, what am talking about is the occupiers from dhuusamareeb and guriceel. And to add insult to injury, what's even worse is that these mooriyaans from Galgaduud want to be the leaders of the Shabeelada dhexe like it's theirs. With the federalization of Somalia, it's only normal for the true indigenous and majority people of Shabelooyinka to be the leaders of the provinces. Zack, this issue is exactly like the problems Barre Hiraale from Galgaduud was trying to cause down their. While Bare Hiraale share a clan with the Gedo folks, he is nonetheless not a native their and has no business being in the government there. While there are some hag people who've lived in the shabeelooyinka for ages, this does not include the mooriyaans from Galgaduud and Indha Cade and Goobaale have no business trying to be leaders of Shabeelooyinka. Saaxiibyaal, at the end of the day, every Somali has his own territory and its best every Somali goes back to his tuulooyin. Valid points!

Yes this is exactly how it happened everyone has herded onto a back of truck and taking for a joy ride through the wilderness.

Tallaabo;970982 wrote: The Ethiopians were certainly very clever when they exploited the loophole in the agreements between the Somali tribes and the British Empire regarding the territorial limits of the clans. It shows the Ethiopians were always well ahead of us. Oddly enough, the Somalis of "Italian somaliland" were the only Somalis that had legally access to international law as registered Trusteeship.

Xaaji Xunjuf;970984 wrote: ^^ They were trying to advance very fast Menelik would reach the interior of Somaliland if it wasn't for the Brits, there was nothing that was stopping him he had a force close 120.000 troops with more than 90.000 rifles purchased from the Russians. Imagine if our grandfathers never made a treaty with the British and Menelik would invade us and he would than sign a treaty with the English on behalf of us. That would be terrible we would be under Bug eyed xabashi today. Xaaji you are funny dude. According your statistics a quarter of the menacing Ethiopian soldiers which your forefathers needed protection from were completely unarmed. But then again you want to have us believe that the illiterate nomads who thumb signed the "treaties" with British had the foresight and political shrewdness to preempt the Ethiopian claims by cleverly signing a treaty with the British.

The British did not regard the treaties signed with some of the tribes of Somaliland in 1884/6 as an agreement with a sovereign or part-sovereign entity, which could be recognised in international law, rather it considered them nothing more then a mere subjects of the Crown.This is why they arbitrarily seceded 25,000 miles of "British Somali territory" to Ethiopia. If somaliland was a legally entity, with a defined and recognised borderdefendantss then the Anglo-Ethiopian Agreement of 1887 would have been null and void. The claim the somalland was a legally entity with defined borders, as claimed by the secessionists is just ahistorical and a fallacy based on wishful thinking.

The brotherhood did not create "disharmony" in the community because there was no harmony to begin with. The muslim brotherhood made a monumental mistake when they decided to field a presidential candidate in the election because the circumstances were such that who ever won that the election would have failed regardless. They should have just concentrated on winning parliamentary majority and to developing their capabilities for future government. Instead they decide to dive in the deep end and now they are about drown. They made a mistake in creating an alliance with the so called , secular and Egyptian liberals in the begin of the revolution because those people hate the Islamists more than they love freedom.

Egypt will not have a civil war. It would be a virtually suicide for the Muslim Brotherhood if they got engaged in a violent struggle with the military. Firstly they will be outlawed, effectively ending their political ambitions forever. Secondly, they will be slaughter by the thousands and they will forever be persecuted, oppressed and incarcerated. Although the Brotherhood has the morally upper hand, thus far in the strugle, they have been political and militarily outmaneuvered and left hanging off a cliff. If the Brotherhood compromises and joins the " political process" they are effectively finish as a political force because they will lose their grass-root support, making them just another pawn in a fixed political system. The only viable option and the best political strategy them would be to engage in a non-violent struggle. However, I doubt they have the vision or patience to adopt a non violent political resistances.

Yes and you are a tolerant liberal democrat!

1. This riwayaad makes sweepng generalisations about southerners 2. It is a xenophobic propaganda designed to sow permanent division. 3. It is insanely conspiratorial 4. It creates and plays to a collective sense of victimhood (somalilanders) Apart from that it is an excellent riwaayad.

Some people actually hold the narrative of this video to be a true depiction of Somali history. That is just sad! This video is offence on so many levels that the less said the better.

Mad_Mullah;970854 wrote: Modern facilities lol Why are there three people sitting behind a table that's meant for two: Hadeer dadkani ma Soomaali baa?

The Zack;970522 wrote: Gudoomiyaha(in this case gudoomisada lol) degmada wardhiigley says Dahabshiil makes money from Xamar and spends it on Wajaale lol... Disgraceful comments from a low grade politician. In all essences what she is saying is "spend your money in Xamar or the members of tribe X will not use your services".How do these people achieve political office and for heaven sake how is this a "news" story?.

Mad_Mullah;970821 wrote: You know you live in the third world when of the nation's biggest websites is reporting about a Dry cleaning service that opened in the capital. #Deve Lol

GAROODI;970392 wrote: Here is proof of d block servitude of the British yet this guy stands here spreading the same bull)it: Not even a colony yet want to fight for the British; Removed clan names; SOMALI WANT TO FIGHT The New York Times, pg. 8 Nov 22, 1914 Jubaland Chiefs Send Plea to England to Join the Army London, Nov. 10 – the London Times has received from a correspondent a copy of a petition signed by the principal Somali chiefs in Jubaland, asking that they be allowed to fight for England. The document is as follows: To His Highness the Governor, Through the Hakim of Jubaland Salaams, yea, many salaams, with God’s mercy, blessing, and peace. After Salaams, We, the Somali of Jubaland, both H@ and Og comprising all the tribes desire humbly to address you. Now we have heard that the German Government have declared war on the English government. Behold, our "fitna" against the English Government is finished. As the Monsoon wind drives the sand hills of our coast into new forms, so does this this news of German evil-doing drive our hearts and spears into the service of the English Government. The Jubaland Somali are with the English Government. Daily in our mosques we pray for the success of the English armies. Day is as night and night is as day with us until we hear that the English are victorious. God knows the right. He will help the right. We have heard that the Indian Askaris have been sent to fight for us in Europe. Humbly we ask why should not the Somali fight for England also. We beg the Government to allow our warriors to show their loyalty. In former days the Somali tribes made fitna against each other. Even now it is so: it is our custom; yet with the Government against the Germans we are as one, ourselves, our warriors, our women, and our children. By God it is so. A few days ago many troops of the military left this country to eat up the Germans who have invaded our country in Africa. May God prosper them. Yet, Oh Hakim, with all humbleness we desire to beg of the Government to allow our sons and warriors to take part in this great war against the German evildoer. They are ready. They are eager. Grant them the boon. God and Mohammed is with us all. If Government wish to take away all the troops and police from Jubaland, it is good. We pledge ourselves to act as true Government askaries until they return. We humbly beg that this our letter may be place at the feet of our King and Emperor, who lives in England, in token of our loyalty and our prayers. Lol @ " God and Mohammed is with us all." Firstly, I doubt very much a Somali wrote this letter let in1915, let alone a Somali chief(s). Nevertheless, your tribalism is so conspicuously transparent that I cannot help but laugh at you. You need to disabuse your mind son "Not even a colony yet want to fight for the British". This statement shows how ignorant you are about Somali history. Jubaland was control by the British before they handed it over to the Italians in 1927.

The British parliament debating the hand over of the Haud reserve and the legalities of the treaties signed with the Somalis and the Ethiopians. The british government explicitly states that Somaliland treaties (1886) had no legal authority whatsoever, where as the Anglo-Ethiopian agreement was a legally binding treaty (1887) Source. Hansard.

GAROODI;970391 wrote: Do you have proof in words that I can a actually reference stating that?? Instead of coming up with platitudes about colonial borders or formulaic statements about a your "right to nationhood", let consider the facts. The British never considered the treaty they signed with the so called friendly tribes as legally binding. It was a trick used to fool illiterate nomads.

^^ I once asked a somaliland minister to name 3 places on somaliland's soo called border with Somalia. He too failed miserably. No memo points here.