Intay Somali is xagxaganaysay the whole world has passed them. Allah swt has u gargaaro they are truly lost sheep.

:D:Dloool

Everyday, for the past twenty years, has been a sad day in the history of Somalia!

^ I agree with much of what you say." Only through mutual respect and, with modest discussions from both sides can emancipate ourselves from this self-inflicted wound". Amen to that. As for my comment. Firstly, I never said that the exchange of insults was one dimentional, so don't put words into my mouth. I have witnessed and observed the exchanges between the two camps but you have to understand my view of the current situation to properly interpret my comment. My comment then, was based on what each party is trying to achieve and where they are currently positioned. The situation, if we are looking at the facts, is that Somaliland wants recognition and Somalia wants Somaliland re remain part of Somalia. Both are in difficult situations but one more so than the other. IMO, in this case the burden of convincing Somaliland is on Somalia. Let alone doing this but Somalia itself is divided, in turmoil and fragmented. If one adds, on top of that, insults, threats and other such behaviour then the aim to convince Somaliland will fail. My point is that Somaliland is not trying to convince Somalia. Secondly, if you go to the person you're trying to convince/negotiate with, with assertions and preconditions that that reek of arrogance when your shoulder-deep in shit yourself, fundamentally challenge the person and everything he stands for and lastly add to this insults and humiliation, it simply is not going to work.

Aaliyyah;721385 wrote: taas doesnt hold a candle next to me haha thas how tis miyaa ... lakiin quruxleys always have the worst dabeecad ee adiga saa sidaad ka tahay :D:D

Sayid*Somal;721352 wrote: :D Yeah Val - dadkan see lolo hadlaa - habeen iyo maalin saan Qardho ugu wadnay - waxaad moodi lahayd in mid uun xata dhaho - bal Qardho u qarawsado Why go to messy little qardho out of all places haha... I'd rather go to Guantanamo! haha just kidding sxb :D

Chimera;721405 wrote: Majestic Mogadishu an isolated and elaborate lodge in the lush parts of the North This picture kinda sold the highlands to me: What a view!

The SL 'ministry of planning' has a functioning website and I must say I am impressed. That was completely unexpected. The minister's C.V on the home-page (lool) is entirely unnecessary though :D:D

For the students in here what subject(s) are you doing your degree in? Graduates also. I'll start us off; B.A Management and Accounting. Looking to do Economics related Masters and/or ACA next (Inshallah). Looking at how dead this section is, I thought i'd get it moving...

o.k folks, since you're all here anyway, will anyone dare answer the questions: what would you like to achieve in your life time? What do you want to contribute to this world? At what point would you think you would be content with where you are? Should everyone strive to achieve great things or is it o.k to be ordinary? (if there is such a thing)

Polanyi, thanks for your input (though i'm not quite sure if I what it means haha). Valenteenah.;721355 wrote: ^ I think you can only edit within 12hrs of posting. Thanks Valenteenah, that must be it. Nice name btw, does it mean anything?

Chimera;721331 wrote: Vile comments ment to degrade an entire people won't bring back the secessionists, only strengthen their resolve and in fact you'll only end up alienating the Unionists like me ( of which there are many), for I would never share a house with an individual(s) that shares such sinister sentiments.ern day Djibouti. This is absolutely true. Some are trying to bring back Somaliland[ers] by force, name-calling and attempts to humiliate them which in reality is only pushing them farther away; instead of a stick, try using a carrot, see what happes. If you have no carrots then you are only left with a stick, which is unlikely to work. A mahmah goes along the lines of miro geed ku yaal, ha u qubin kuwa guntiga kuugu xidhan. But in this case, there are not even any miro on the tree but instead pills of death and destruction.

Why can't I edit my original post? The edit button seems to have disappeared :confused:

Aaliyyah;721140 wrote: rihannah?? you consider her to be pretty?? she is average and a product of cosmetics.. Beauty is not in a picture so i'd have to meet her and check her out but she not bad looking, though was better with long hair. I was wondering if Ismahan looked anything like her since used the pic ... as for make-up., its just part of women these days.. Haaye Aaliya, do you think you're better looking than rihannah markaas? haha or should I not even ask.

^ why the french flag?

Really?? C'mon now.

Us humans have truly been gifted by Allah with [potentially] brilliant minds. We have been put upon this earth knowing that we will one day pass on and we have been given sufficient tools to (a) enable you to go to Jannah and (b) for you to prosper on this earth. Personally speaking I would want to leave this earth better than I found it and thus, no matter how small, I will make a contribution. The pupose of this thread is to kickstart a discussion on human ability, ambition, determination opportunity and the capacity for brilliance that each and every one of you has. Humans are highly capable beings and I believe that with sufficient opportunity, ambition and determination one is able to achieve great things. Let us not forget that the most intelligent computers which amaze us with their abilities daily, though we may not evn understand how they work, are made, designed, built and most importantly understood by people; people like you and I. Even the seemingly incomprehensible languages that sound like gibberish, have meaning and a rich vocabulary that people speak and understand with the least of effort. There is so much knowledge in the world yet to be discovered and there is so much for us all to learn. The ability to learn is truly a wonderful thing indeed (alxamdulllah). The quote "Be not afraid of greatness: some are born great, some achieve greatness and some have greatness thrust upon them" comes to mind; outside its original context, of course Different people have different ambitions and will be satisfied with different achievements; indeed there is no fast or standard interpretation of greatness or success. I believe that there is, in any case, by Allah's power S.W.T, a quota of those destined to achieve great things and that in any case every person achieves great things, of various levels of significance, at various points in time, in one way or another. Al qadr, khayrihii wa sharihii. Great achievements in various ways. One can memorise the entire quran. One can invent a new thing. One can perform a heroic act. One can give charity in abundance. One can please one's elderly parents. One can grow a multinational organisation. One can learn to walk again. One can cure the disease/pain of an ailing person. One can teach one child, or more, to read and write. These are all fantastic things and I am sure there are many more. There are however, limiting factors as to what types of great things you can achieve. You, as I, have been granted many opportunities that Allah has not granted to others. So make the best of all the opportunities before you. You will not succeed in all you endeavours but if you reach for the stars, if we all reach for the stars, some of us will get there, others will reach the sky, others will be higher than they were before and some will be more experienced and enduring for the future. So go out into this world and be the best that you can be. Go out into this world and "be the change that you want to see in this would". I also have some questions: what would you like to achieve in your life time? What do you want to contribute to this world? At what point would you think you would be content with where you are? Should everyone strive to achieve great things or is it o.k to be ordinary? (if there is such a thing) --- Human capacity is indeed great and it can be used for both good and evil. Please do not take the evil path :eek: Do not be consumed by hate and qabiil as I have often witnessed with Somalis and non-somalis alike. Do not be led astray by the glaring hedonostic [gaalo] lifestyle which will earn you an eternity of damnation but also do not be led astray by the more subtle chants of the devil. Keep your guards up, your imaan strong and your sins low. Lastly, life itself is possibly the most difficult thing so may Allah make it easy for you all.

^ Outch haha. Aaliyyah waa feisty wallee :D:D

^wow looks nice Manshallah. Ismahan do you look anything like rihannah>?

What do you mean?...:confused:

I see Somaliland like a smaller version and case study of how Somalia will one day (inshallah) be (in peace and recovering). If they are able to unite all the people living in Somaliland, they will achieve great things, together. If they cannot for some reason unite these people, it will, at least for me, be the final nail in the coffin for Somalis as it will show that no matter how far you go, even after twenty years of apparent progress, Somalia is Somalia; divided, qabilistic and stuck. Soo... a case study to watch, for Somalia but also for Somali galbeed. What do you guys think? true or not ?

Looking good ...One thing I canot ignore is the foreign soldiers though, it kinda reminds you whose running the show

Interesting and relatively civil discussion going on here There is not much for me to contribute to this thread but for those tugging about the Visa issue.... how about dual citicenship :D:D On a serious note, if this referendum did take place and the YES camp won, would the other concede? On the other hand, if the NO camp won, would the other concede? Since the answer seems no, what would follow? the demographic reality that the majority of the more than three million Somalilanders were born after the region declared its resumed independence and have never thought of themselves as citizens of a unitary Somalia, can anyone imagine a scenario where it would be possible to reincorporate them into such a “state” without provoking even greater conflict across the Horn of Africa ? Ponder away! (and do let me know what you conclude)

http://www.acus.org/new_atlanticist/somaliland-20?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+new_atlanticist+%28New+Atlanticist%29 Atlantic Council.

Today is the twentieth anniversary of the day when, in the wake of the collapse of the Somali state, clan elders in the onetime British Protectorate of Somaliland proclaimed their sovereignty. In the two decades since, while the rest of the country became the exemplar par excellence of a failed state, one best known today for maritime piracy and a brutal Islamist, Somalilanders have more or less succeeded in building for themselves a viable polity, albeit one lacking international recognition, due to the resistance of other African countries to secessionism. Left to their own devices, Somalilanders nonetheless drafted a constitution which provided for an executive branch consisting of a directly elected president and vice president and appointed ministers; a bicameral legislature consisting of an elected House of Representatives and an upper chamber of elders, the guurti; and an independent judiciary. The most recent elections, the internationally-monitored presidential poll in June 2010, resulted in the defeat of incumbent Dahir Riyale Kahin, the election of Ahmed Mohamed Mohamoud (popularly known as “Silanyo”), and a smooth transition between the two—an unheard of occurrence in the region. Despite its largely successful record and notwithstanding that a 2005 report of a African Union fact-finding mission which concluded that “the fact that the union between Somaliland and Somalia was never ratified and also malfunctioned when it went into action from 1960 to 1990, makes Somaliland’s search for recognition historically unique and self-justified in African political history” and recommended that “the AU should find a special method of dealing with this outstanding case,” no country has yet recognized Somaliland’s bid for independence. This apparent snub, while grating to Somalilanders, has not prevented them from building a vibrant polity with a lively civil society. Having to rely on themselves, Somalilanders found the demobilization of fighters from the Somali civil conflicts of the 1980s and 1990s, the formation of their own defense and security services, and the extraordinary resettlement of over one million refugees and internally displaced persons (out of a population of just over three million) fostered the internal consolidation of their aspiring state, while the establishment of independent newspapers, radio stations, and a host of local NGOs and other civic organizations reinforced the nation-building exercise. The stable environment thus created facilitated modest investments by both local and diaspora businessmen who have built, among other things, a telecommunications infrastructure that is more developed and varied than in any of Somaliland’s neighbors. Despite its lack of an international standing and the often amateurish missteps of its politicians, Somaliland makes a vital contribution to regional and global security. Its port at Berbera is an important outlet for landlocked Ethiopia. Its ragtag coast guard keeps its 740-kilometer coastline largely free of piracy, releasing international warships to patrol elsewhere. Its security services have cooperated with U.S. and NATO forces hunting terrorists in the region and French commandos have used its territory to launch rescues of citizens held captive by pirates in the neighboring Puntland region. Hargeisa, the Somaliland capital, even accepts ethnic Somali detainees released from Guantanamo because the U.S. government is loath to send them back to the unreliable Transitional Federal Government (TFG) in Mogadishu. The failure of the no fewer than fourteen different internationally-backed attempts to reestablish a national government in Somalia and the diminishing legitimacy and increasingly untenable nature of the current effort underscores the need to take a more critical look at what it means to be a state in the world today. In what sense is the TFG—which, as I noted in Congressional testimony two years ago is “not a government by any common-sense definition of the term: it is entirely dependent on foreign troops…to protect its small enclave in Mogadishu, but otherwise administers no territory; even within this restricted zone, it has shown no functional capacity to govern, much less provide even minimal services to its citizens”—entitled to be considered a sovereign? Conversely, by what rational criterion can Somaliland be denied recognition of its independence? Given the chaos that characterizes southern and central Somalia (pace the surreal picture painted by the TFG’s latest prime minister as he toured Washington last week seeking support for yet another extension of his regime’s mandate) as well as the demographic reality that the majority of the more than three million Somalilanders were born after the region declared its resumed independence and have never thought of themselves as citizens of a unitary Somalia, can anyone imagine a scenario where it would be possible to reincorporate them into such a “state” without provoking even greater conflict across the Horn of Africa? The Atlantic’s Graeme Wood has succinctly highlighted the sheer preposterousness of the notion: “A reconstituted Somalia would require reconnecting Somaliland with what may be the world’s most spectacularly failed state. Where Somaliland has a fledgling coast guard, Somalia has flourishing pirates, and where Hargeisa has a form of democracy, Mogadishu has howling anarchy punctuated by fits of sharia law. Yet this is the alternative urged by nearly everyone.” For too long the United Nations, the African Union, and neighboring countries, as well as Western governments and donor groups have tried to pressure, cajole, and bribe Somalis into going along with a charade whereby what had long ceased to be a state was said to still be one while what was one in all but name was denied recognition. The true cost of this refusal, whether willful or by default, to acknowledge reality has, after two decades, to be measured not only in billions of dollars in wasted aid to corrupt entities like the TFG and the costs exacted by war and piracy, but, tragically, in countless lost lives and missed opportunities. Fortunately, there are indications that the Obama administration and a number of European governments are beginning to reexamine their approach. A good place to start might well be the one part of the former Somali state that has shown the most promise. J. Peter Pham is director of the Michael S. Ansari Africa Center at the Atlantic Council.