Waar Gaat Dit Heen (ft. Karima) lyrics [refrein] Waar gaat dit heen Waar gaat dit toch nou naar toe Iedereen doet gemeen En dat maakt me nou zo moe En ik wil het stoppen maar ik zou niet weten *** Zeg mij waar gaat dit heen Waar dit heen gaat en waar dit naar toe leidt is niets minder dan een heleboel schijt maar voordat ik eindig met een heleboel spijt leef ik bewust waardoor ik cool blijf en mijn gevoel schrijf op een stukje papier de meeste mensen geven geen **** om een dier nog minder om natuur feesten en spacen maar eten voor een Afrikaans kind is te duur shit is niet eerlijk en dat vind ik zo zuur maar wat kan ik doen dan mezelf druk maken langzaam toekijken *** de wereld stuk gaat m’n hart doet pijn m’n hart doet pijn ik vraag me af waarom het leven zo hart moet zijn alsof het allemaal al niet slecht genoeg gaat als de storm toeslaat en de mens steeds poep praat vraag ik mezelf af waar die shit naar toe gaat. <> Zinloos geweld agressie in het verkeer je ziet het nu des te meer de mens geïrriteerd gaan raken om zaken die nergens om gaan Ik weet het niet *** het met jou is maar ik erger me eraan en dat is dat wat ik ben het zat de mensheid wordt gek terwijl ik zit op mijn gat maar dit kan niet meer ik sta op en demonstreer protesteer tegen degene die probeert onrust te zaaien waaronder de media die m’n woorden verdraaien omwille van sensatie iedereen is gelijk **** discriminatie de wereld bevind zich nu in een kutsituatie landen vergieten steeds meer bloed voor olie junks zijn op zoek naar een stukje folie bij de eerste hulp moet je in de rij gaan staan voetbalgeweld er komt geen einde aan. <> Couplet 3: Wereldleiders verklaarden oorlogen terwijl ze schijnheilig hun volk voorlogen die hadden weer eens niets in de gaten maar niet allemaal want sommige probeerde er iets van te maken in plaats van te haten Kijk naar Irak en de Verenigde Staten de taal die ze praten is maar een taal dat is de taal van soldaten bewapend met tanks, mitrailleurs en granaten wie gaat ze stoppen die psychopaten als ze bommen droppen hebben ze niets te maken met moeders en kinderen opa’s en oma’s ook broeders verslinden ze en of ze het minderen vergeet het maar ze zetten nog liever een ******* leger klaar de meeste mensen hier willen vrede maar helaas hebben we het niet voor het zeggen. --- for a translation type it into google translate [you'll get a rough translation]

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The politics section is indeed a nasty place. Though I have only been here for a few days it even gives me a headache. It seems the two camps never get tired of arguing and relentlessly shove the same arguments down each other's throats... of-course to no avail.

good plan Ibtisam :D

What's the new prize? Is it not just the £100,000 p.a job. The most memorabel contestant is claire from a few years back. She was cold.

Naxar nugaaleed, good points.

G.O.E.T.I.A;721831 wrote: Personaly I wouldn't mind funding a mujahidin group. We need our own Myrmidons. loool Somalis really do love war don't they. Every penny you send for someone to be killed you will be held accountable on Qiyamah.

Yh its not as good as it used to be and this years contestants are not really impressive at all. Is the american one any good Malika

I've never watched the U.S version but I might check it out. How rich is this Trump dude I hear so much about and hwo does he compare to the u.k's mr Sugar.

A_Khadar;721629 wrote: You seem a bit lost and confused and you are referring season sol to others when infact you are one... Please clarify, again.

Taleexi;721605 wrote: Nicely put yaa OdaySomali. And I may be a guilt of calling you; yeah! you are a bit too idealistic in here. I could be bias because unlike many here I'm a staunch pragmatist. Putting kaftanka aside, Yaynaan milil dushii dhayin. Sida aynu wada ognahay markay Somaliya bururtay, oo ay sidii wuxuushtii isu cuntay, beel waliba waxay u hayaantay to their homelands. Let me be assertive and to the point here and address the sub conflict of the northern clans. In order to avert all out war in the region it is up to the players of the conflict indeed, it takes two to play tango. As you hinted let us divide the parties at the conflict into two camps. Awdal, SSC, and Maakhir (Unionist block) on one side and Somaliland (the secessionist block) on the other. Hence, these opposing views do exist in the north. For argument's sake, let us halt/ignore what other Somalis think about this, at least for this moment. First, in case you do not know there is an active war ongoing in the enclave perpetuated by SL against some regions in the north namely SSC. In order peace be given a chance and negotiations kick off. This hostility has to cease without condition. SL militia, they ought to go back to their homes. This should be the start point. Secondly, SL’s would-be talking points should be revisited and polished. Meaning, they should come to the discussion table as stakeholders with goodwill not as guardians for others in the territory. Thirdly, the unionist block has to respect the wishes of their brethren in the region. They've to foster trade, confidence building and other traditional familial ties among communities. And tone down the unproductive mantra of tola'ayey. Once the supply chain is strengthened be might economic front, security or other common interests I'm sure people would want to talk and preserve the peace and would want to coexist and cohabit. Finally, the fever of secession and union should be treated as such "don't ask, don't tell" policy at least for now -- I say if it saves lives why not --. One should keep them into their heart until healthy communities that are sane which can make concessions and compromise emerge. In my personal view, the ball is in SL's court and, they ought to make the first move if peace is their priority otherwise God forbid all I see in the horizon is many people going to hell in flocks. Nicely put yourself yaa Taleexi, I think you are being reasonable here and if everyone looked at what is practicle, reasonable and in the interest of the people, somali politics would be a lot less of a headache. In response to the part of your comment where you were being "assertive and to the point" (lool): One thing i fear from what is going on up north is the tribalising of the politics and people and the division following on from that. If you push and push and push people away from each other on the basis of clan e.g. "awdal" "sscc" "makhir" and your "somaliland" interpretation", it is simply not going to work in the long term in terms of achieving any progress for anyone. If one perpetually links political differences to clan differences you are going to make a whole lot of people oppose each other than would otherwise be the case. For example if you represent everyone that is not SSC, AWDal and makhir as anti union though some of them are pro union then you are alienating them. Vice versa if Somalilanders paint everyone that is, for example "SSC", as anti union then they are alienating some of them. IN any case, pro-unionist camps should not use clan to divide people to hope to later unite them as in the process they will create real and lasting hate that will have side-effects and will shape the future. Otherwise in future, when things get hard, people will turn to what they know best and that is clan. I see you are trying to use the clan diversity to your advantage in this case but I must point out that, as far as i'm aware, "Awdal" in pro-Somaliland, that is deviating from your clan categorisation I know, but facts are facts. Also Las anod and now widh-widh have become more warm to Somaliland, without local supporters that would simoply not be possible. Makhir is relatively peaceful/neutral and has found some sort of balance. What needs to be here is common ground. That should be that (i hope) both camps want peace for the people and it should also be what the elders of all the northern people achieved together in 1991 when they agreed in peace to no longer fight. They should all also realise that until de-jure independence and recognition, as one does not guarentee the other, come, it is really not neccesary to fight. They should know that they, together, are in a better position than the south and capitalise on this. In all honesty the TFG/Al-shabab/warlords/AMISOM/etc will currently not bring anything to SCC, AWdal, makhir or SOmaliland. However, if SSC & other agree with Somaliland, to have a united and independent 'Somaliland' on the condition of eventual long term re-integration with Somalia [once it is at peace and it has a stable political system] so that in the mean time ALL the local people up north can live together in peace and experience development and stability knowing that 'Somali unity', fickle though may it be, is not lost. Puntland and Somaliland and Somalia, in that context, IMO, ay iskaashan karaan. So they should agree to disagree but agree to peace. They should agree to see that there is currently nothing in the south and that they should seek to develop first and long term re-integration later on. If they have peace and development, as Somali people, that would be a guul for all SOmali people. If they are willing to sacrifice in the short run to gsain in the long run and also are willing to be practicle then at least some somali people will find peace. The trend/strategy by unionists of division by clan, is wholly a wrong one; that I must stress.

Yh but you can't argue in favour of the union and whilst also denying it ever took place.

Jacpher;721591 wrote: Somaliland is no holier than any other region of this tiny nation of ten million. If SL is gonna break away from Somalia, why can't SSC, Awdal, break away from SL? mise wuxu waxaa one way street. Some of you look at the topic as if SL is a country of its own. The fact remains Hargeysa is not different than Hobyo, both Somali cities. I would think their basis goes back to the union.

I just found out the appentice is back. Is anyone following the series so far. I'm just watching the first episode and two minutes into it a fool says: "underneath these glasses, is a core of steel" haha

^ loool

Somalina;721568 wrote: I'm glad I (a Koonfurian) inspired the title of this beautiful thread (started by an ethnic lander). Waa idin caynaynaa hana caayina, waaye sheekada. Carry on then. Tit for tat.

^ What do you think of my proposal, do you htink it would work ?

I understand what you mean/your question now.

A_Khadar i'm not sure what you mean. Clarify your question.

Saalax, fadlan stop with the pics. What is the point of this thread.

A_Khadar;721545 wrote: So to be clear when you are refering to somaliland you meant to the one clan calling succession. If that is the case, then you are right nothing to argue about and ssc is in the somalia package.. If not and you are refering to the land known x-somali british, then my argument is valid. Instead of just assuming/saying stuff just ask me for clarification as to what I meant next time lool i'll save us all a lot of confusion and unnecessary debate. I was talking about the 'perspectives' of the different people/camps when they are in debate. I was not talking about land or borders or whatever you thought. When I refer to Somaliland I mean those that support/are with it. One would assume that those who are not, are in the Somalia camp (in terms of debate). Clan did not some into my comment at all (unless your glasses are clan tinted lool). Actually from what you said, I see that this SSC thing is entirely clan based?

Valenteenah.;721368 wrote: From the responses in this thread, if a referendum on secession was undertaken today in NW Somalia, another civil war would probably breakout in the area regardless of the result. That is what I initially thought but that need not necessarily be the case and it is in their hands if they want to avert possible war; that is, if the different camps are willing to make and take concessions and sacrifice. The situation here is quite simple. Somaliland (the people who support it) wants recognition and de-jure independence and it currently has neither. SSC/pro-union (its supporters) want Somaliland to be remain 'part' of Somalia which is re-integrated/part of the Transitional Federal Government, though little comes under it even now, or a future federal government. If either party were to win the referendum it would change little on the ground unless (a) both parties accept the result and (b) external players accept the result. Neither party is likely to concede defeat and this may, depending on b, mean (a) a return to the siuation that prevails now if Somalia at that moment is still without a government and (b) possible all-out war between Somaliland and Somalia. However, if Somaliland agrees with SSC & co, to have a united and independent 'Somaliland' on the condition of eventual long term re-integration with Somalia [once it is at peace and it has a stable political system] so that in the mean time ALL the local people up north can live together in peace and experience development and stability knowing that 'Somali unity', fickle though may it be, is not lost. Puntland and Somaliland and Somalia, in that context, IMO, ay iskaashan karaan. Several assumptions underly this hypothetical situation and with all things being equal and presumptions being true, I think this would be the ideal situation in which war is averted and neither camp 'loses face'. Am I being to idealistic.

A_Khadar;721500 wrote: OdaySomal, the story is not how you put it, rather different. The issue isnt only s/l vs somalia, but regions within the land that s/l claims to be hers are not for this succession.. So do little digging before you try posting suggestions. One should not try to argue about everything; even when there is no argument to be had. Is SSC group not with the 'Somalia' camp? (at least that is the impression I got)

:mad: Though I am mad at the current situation, I won't take it out on anyone *cough...as some here do...cough*.

Only time will tell.