Dervish;774132 wrote: ************* Isnt that 'good' ? Especially for 'unity' ? :D

Bluelicious;774125 wrote: It's about Somalis who are staying there illegally not about Somalis who are there legally. We will see how this ends instead of making false assumptions. LOL said like its out the mouth of Geert himself, mevrouw. Illegal maxaa adiga kaa galay ? There is a very blurred line between legal and illegal. God knows we all did something 'illegal' at some point to get the 'key' (waraaq) to a better life. Let people hussle for their own self-betterment. Illegal kulahaa SMH.

Somalia;774126 wrote: The secessionist region. Kibir in what sense. Would you like yourself and all your family members to be forcibly deported, to be impoverished somewhere in 'Somaliland' ?

I dont see why anyone would support this policy... especially not other Somalis who themselves and/or their families were at some point also refugees. How would you liked to have been forcibly returned... to be denied an opportunity of education, health and relative affluence. How would you like to come so close and be turned back at the door. Lastly, how can you support a policy that likely has had an imput of if not designed by Geert Wilders... also responsible for wanting in his words a 'kopvoddentax' (headragtax), a ban on niqabs, no more new mosques to be built in NL, the abolishment of islamic schools etc. You guys got to be kidding us ?... coming with 'Somaliland' this and Somaliland that. SMH.

^ You dont say

Somalia;774088 wrote: Kibir badhanaa .. Who ??

Narniah;774097 wrote: I thought there was peace & prosperity in Somaliland is it fair to say that's not true? What do you mean. This attempted policy to forcibly return refugees is dispicable. Independent of that, Somaliland is not all that tbh... it certainly is no Holland... but then wasnt that obvious ??

Bluelicious;774111 wrote: But on the other hand Somaliland is being selfish they should also be open to welcome their people back and not deny them entrance. This is completely the right thing to do. I dont know from what angle you are looking at this but would you like it if the government of Nederland returned you forcibly now ?

SMH another clan 'state'. State aa dadkii waashay

This was to be expected considering the results of the elections in NL.

Bluelicious;773998 wrote: Somaliland should accept the forced returnees they have no right to decline their own people of their country . You've got completely the wrong end of the stick. They should refuse forced returnees. If they want to return volutarily they can always by a plane ticket. Deny Wilders this potential victory.

Carafaat;773866 wrote: waa kee Oday Aint nothing wrong with mii. Was never in a camp alxmd. No somalis in my NL or UK environs.

Well done.

Bluelicious;773849 wrote: Right I know what you mean until you visit some other country that's when you realise the so big country is actually small compared to other countries Thats true.

Abtigiis;773733 wrote: Why not even take the lead and rule Somalia ? And if you don’t want both of that, why not simply focus your project to its real target beneficiaries? No, this secession thing is not about future progress, not about past injustices, not about present challenges. It is not about politics , economics or logic. It is about capricious clan conceit, and that is what makes me oppose it. Professor, could you explain the apparent inconsistancy there.

Born near a village in Somalia. Raised in Ethiopia, Holland, UK.

Bluelicious;773814 wrote: Holland is big I also used to think that when I lived there...

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;773210 wrote: I don't think inay saas kaga harayaan. I know. Smh. Iminkaba Uk-ga ubaxa laga keeno Kenya ayaa la soo dhex geliyaa oo lagu dhex qariyaa. Waxan kaloo maqla waxa la bilaabay in daawoyin lagu mudo jaadka so 'effect' kiis loo kordhiyo. Of course these chemicals and drug being used are not regulated; it is a health hazard of the highest order. Waa xayawaan qof[ka] iska cunno dhir xashiish ah oo uun san ogayn waxa lagu sameeyay iyo xagguu ka yimid. Duli fowqol duli.

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;773208 wrote: Laakiin I smell selective banning maadaama xashiishka, marijuana, laga ogolyahay wali dalkaas yet jaadka oo ka daciifsan waxyaabaha maanka badalo boqolkiiba boqol, la mamnuucooyo. Yeelkadiis. Haddi ay uun dadkeenu qaad intaa kaga haraan. Bahal merffesh la dheho yaa reerihii Somalida baa'biyay eh.

Kenyans cabaadaya. Nacalaa Miraa iyo Meru dooda ku taal. Its a ******* weed... like "Brandnetels". Waxay doonayaan inay Somali meel walba ku baabi'i yaan. Etoobiduna Goboladooda sida Tugray oo kale way ka mamnuuceene qaadka. Miraa exporters face loss of Sh1.6bn European market Miraa farmers stand to lose up to Sh1.6 billion in annual export earnings, following a ban on use of the stimulant in the Netherlands. Traders said on a weekly basis the Netherlands market consumes between 20 and 23 tonnes of the crop valued at about Sh36 million. This market is now in jeopardy following Tuesday’s ban. The Netherlands is also a key entry point to Germany, Sweden, Denmark and Norway where use of the drug is illegal. Full article. http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Miraa+exporters+face+loss+of+Sh1+6bn+European+market++/-/539552/1303952/-/15a1wwt/-/

Archdemos I definately relate to what you wrote in many respects.

Thank you Bluelicious. Inshallah it wont be long... the topic is never far from my mind. Across the next few days inshallah parts 2, 3 ... etc. p.s. I do apologise for the errors in the text, I typed it quite spontaniously (as you can imagine). I have cleaned it up somewhat and it should be a better read for it.

Someone at the city plannign division went on a bit of a tangent. Accra, Khartoum, Gaborone, Hargeysa, Mogadishu, Maputo, Angole, Mombasa, Burundi, Cabinda ... LOL talk about a lazy and unimaginative approach to naming streets. If we ever get round to naming all our streets I have a number of names in mind

PART 1 When you feel so strongly about something that you literally think about it day and night. When it is the first thing on your mind when you wake up in the mornings. When it pops into your mind even when you are engaged in other things. When you make plans in your mind about it even though you are far removed from it. When it is in relation to all other things, at the very centre of your cognitive being. It can be hard to ignore it. The never fading obsession that is lodged in my heart... I have always been interested in politics and business more than your average person. However, over the past couple of years this has taken a certain Somali spin to it. Faced even in the western media with an avalanche of coverage and information about Somalia [and its politics] I have found myself drawn to it. More than anything, I have become concerned with (no, obsessed with) the current [somali] state of affairs. Having grown up with virtually with no contact to Somalis and even - as you might well find yourself in certain places of continental Europe - often having been the only ethnic minority [in the establishments I frequented], I was at one point Somali only in name and ethnicity. Somalis almost lost me but being the lucky bunch that you are ... you can take a Somali out of the land but you can’t take the Somalinimo out of a Somali. Gradually I have gone through a process of discovering and learning about Somalis and Somalia and have progressed from the point of being ignorant and indifferent to the Somali state of affairs, to being relatively well versed in the frequent discourse. As part of this process I passed through a brief stage of disillusionment; immediately after I visited and travelled through the motherland on a personal [mini] pseudo fact-finding mission. In this stage, I gave up on our land, our people and our future - a sad stage where I settled for being an ethnic minority immigrant in a faraway land. I found it difficult to accustom to and accept the fact that this impoverished and backward land was where I belonged, no matter how bad the situation currently might be. I found it difficult to let go of the glimmering lights, smooth roads and conveniences and accept the fact that those things never were and never would be mine. I was, to say the least, overwhelmed and daunted by the amount of work that my homeland apparently needed to bring it up to standard; at the time it seemed like and impossible and improbable target. I was also immeasurably angry with the divisions and divisiveness, with the disagreeability embedded into the very fabic of the political elite. I quietly even promised myself never to return, such was the disillusionment. Only good then, that that stage [of disillusionment] did not last long. There was somthing inside of me, something that fought the disillusionment, something that is strong, tenacious, flexible and yet unyielding; it was my Somalinimo... I realised you can take a Somali out of the land but you can’t take the Somalinimo out of a Somali.

Calm down dear. (David Cameron, 2011)