Somalia;801048 wrote: Good stuff, I hope they wake up and kiss Iley's feet. ******

Wixii xabashi raaca NACADAL AYAA KORTAY.

So wait did he first publish a letter recognising khaatumo or not ?? and now he is saying the opposite, im confused ? Can anyone clarify ?

So wait did he first publish a letter recognising khaatumo or not ?? and now he is saying the opposite, im confused ?

Mukulaalow;800983 wrote: I think there needs to be a deep research to be done on Somalis and their origins, in these days its very simple since the DNA technique is advanced and they used this method to determine on some experimental DNA testing on Afro Americans to pinpoint where exactly in West Africa they originated from. Has already been done and if my recollection is correct, somalis were found to have 5% attributable "subharan african DNA", 15% Eurasian DNA and the remainder is 'unique'.

I also remember reading some study that suggested, as is generally accepted, that Oromos contrary to Somalis, have more "Negroid" features and a larger percentage of sub-saharan africa DNA atributable. So there is a difference - we are the larger percentage of unique DNA compared to them; which is again indicative of something.

What is more than likely the case, is that Oromos, though being a distinct people, have incorporated various 'Somali' groups and sub-groups. Similarly, Somalis, though being a distinct people the same 'level' as Oromo, have also in their part incorporated various 'Oromo' groups and sub-groups. Naturally, Somali and Oromo being neighbours, there is some overlap. However as there is no difinitive evidence that one group entirely sub-sumes the other, it is most likely that on the higherarchical level, 'Somali' inay la siman tahay 'Oromo'. As we can see in the list of oromo sub-clans they have two main groups "Samaalo" and "Ormaa", which suggests something ?? It is also more than likely that the various peoples of the region share ancestry... going back 000's of years back that is.

Then as we are all aware, there are also various groups where there is a lot of grey area as to whether they are Oromo or Somali, who often speak both languages/share lineages to both sides. And incidentally these groups tend to be the ones who live on "the border" areas of where Somali and Oromo lands meet.

In the recent topic about "Somali bantus", questions on the topic of the origins of the Somali people/name were raised. I asked to following question in that thread, in response to someone: OdaySomali;797985 wrote: Somali ... 'soo maal' ... ardul-soo-maal . ? Or does it have to do with this Seemaale ive vaguely heard off... ? My question still stands. Anyhow, I came across this list of the various subclans of 'Oromo' recentyly, bear in mind it is a Wikipedia list () but it is very interesting and it is certainly thought provoking: This list says that there are two main 'Oromo' groups. Namely the 'Borana' and 'Bareento'. The 'Borana' split into two groups: (a) 'Samaalo' (Seemaale, Somali ?) (b) 'Ormaa' (Oromo ?) However then the list also details the second 'Oromo' sub-sub clan the Bareento (as opposed to the Borana) called: "The Afran Qallo which refers to the 4 decedents of Qallo, who are: Ala Oromo, Oborra Oromo, Babille Oromo, Dagaa Oromo. Then, under the Babille Oromo come these groups: Hawiyaa : --Gurgaate --Gungudhaabe --Jambeele --Haaskul --Karaanle While, under the Dagaa Oromo you will find: Noolee Oromo -> Warra Fatoo: Manaa Usmaan Manaa Omaar Manaa Mahammad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oromo_people#Sub_groups

And this website expects to be taken seriously when it is using maps made by Snet members ? SMH :confused:

At the turn of the 16th century Adal regrouped and around 1527 under the charismatic leadership of Imam Ahmad ibn Ibrihim al-Ghazi (Gurey in Somali, Gragn in Amharic, both meaning "left-handed), Adal invaded Ethiopia. Adalite armies with Ottoman support and arms marched into Ethiopia and caused considerable damage on the Highland state. Adal's use of firearms, still only rarely used in Ethiopia, allowed the conquest of well over half of Ethiopia, reaching as far north as Tigray. The complete conquest of Ethiopia was averted by the timely arrival of a Portuguese expedition led by Cristovão da Gama, son of the famed navigator Vasco da Gama. The Portuguese responded to the Ethiopian pleas for help and sent a military expedition to their fellow Christians. A Portuguese fleet under the command of Estêvão da Gama was sent from India and arrived at Massawa in February 1541. Here he received an ambassador from the Emperor beseeching him to send help against the Muslims, and in July following a force of 400 musketeers, under the command of Christovão da Gama, younger brother of the admiral, marched into the interior, and being joined by Ethiopian troops they were at first successful against the Muslims but they were subsequently defeated at the Battle of Wofla (28 August 1542), and their commander captured and executed ... as always saved by foreigners. It was the russians who supported Melenik II, the USSR/Cuba/South Yemen who won them 77', the USSR even helped them immensely in the war against Eritrea.

Sultan Muhammad was succeeded by his son Shams ad Din while Emperor Baeda Maryam was succeeded by his son Eskender. During this time period warfare broke out again between the two states and Emperor Eskender invaded Dakkar where he was stopped by a large Adalite army who destroyed the Solomonic army to such an extent that no further expeditions were carried out for the remaining of Eskender's reign. ..

The Ethiopian Emperor Menelik's Somali expedition, consisting of an army of 11,000 men, made a deep push into the vicinity of Luuq in Somalia. However, his troops were soundly defeated by the Gobroon army, with only 200 soldiers returning alive . The Ethiopians subsequently refrained from further expeditions into the interior of Somalia, but continued to oppress the people in the ****** (aka Somali region) by plundering the nomads of their livestock numbering in the hundreds of thousands. The British blockade in firearms to the Somalis rendered the nomads in the ****** (aka Somali region) helpless against the armies of Menelik. .

SOME OF YUO MAY BE CHEERLEADING FOR ETHIOPIANS TODAY BUT SOMALIS SHALL NEVER, SHOULD NEVER FORGET.... xabashi nacadali kortay waa xabashi.

Ethiopia: Army Commits Executions, Torture, and Rape in ****** In its battle against rebels in eastern Ethiopia's Somali Region, Ethiopia's army has subjected civilians to executions, torture, and rape, Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today. The widespread violence, part of a vicious counterinsurgency campaign that amounts to war crimes and crimes against humanity, has contributed to a looming humanitarian crisis, threatening the survival of thousands of ethnic Somali nomads. The 130-page report "Collective Punishment: War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity in the ****** Area of Ethiopia's Somali Regional State," documents a dramatic rise in unchecked violence against civilians since June 2007, when the Ethiopian army launched a counterinsurgency campaign against rebels who attacked a Chinese-run oil installation. The Human Rights Watch report provides the first in-depth look at the patterns of abuse in a conflict that remains virtually unknown because of severe restrictions imposed by the Ethiopian government. "The Ethiopian army's answer to the rebels has been to viciously attack civilians in the ******," said Georgette Gagnon, Africa director at Human Rights Watch. "These widespread and systematic atrocities amount to crimes against humanity. Yet Ethiopia’s major donors, Washington, London and Brussels, seem to be maintaining a conspiracy of silence around the crimes." ..

Human Rights Watch and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) produced before and after satellite images of countless villages razed to the ground in the Somali region by Ethiopian forces. Ethiopian soldiers commit of war crimes in Somalia Amnesty International on Tuesday accused Ethiopian troops in Somalia of killing civilians and committing atrocities, including slitting people's throats, gouging out eyes and gang-raping women. In a new report, the human rights group, which is based in London, detailed chilling witness accounts of indiscriminate killings in Somalia and called on the international community to stop the bloodshed. The rights group said it had scores of reports of killings by Ethiopian troops. In one case, "a young child's throat was slit by Ethiopian soldiers in front of the child's mother," the report says. "The people of Somalia are being killed, raped, tortured. Looting is widespread and entire neighborhoods are being destroyed," Michelle Kagari, the Amnesty deputy director for Africa, said in a statement from Nairobi that accompanied the report. Haboon, 56, said her neighbor's 17-year-old daughter had been raped by Ethiopian troops. The girl's brothers tried to defend their sister, but the soldiers beat them and gouged their eyes out with a bayonet, Haboon was quoted as telling Amnesty. ...

Abuse and terror in the Somali region The war-torn Somali region in Ethiopia is a land scarred by terror. An ongoing struggle for autonomy is being fought between the outlawed Ogden National Liberation Front (ONLF) and the Ethiopian military but it is not just ONLF members who are being brutalised. An undercover investigation by the Bureau and the BBC’s Newsnight provides new evidence of ongoing brutal human rights abuses by Ethiopian government forces. Today the area is a no-go zone for foreigners, the media and aid agencies. Instead, it is kept under strict Ethiopian government control, making it difficult to assess what is going on. But in Dadaab, the largest refugee camp in the world in northern Kenya, there are thousands, who have fled from the Ogden region, claiming to have been subjected to horrific abuses by Ethiopian government troops. Torture victims A grandmother in her 50s, told us that she was one of more than 100 civilians seized from her village in the Ogden by government forces in 2009. Some of the villagers were killed, including her son, and others were taken to jail. She says ‘I was raped’ by ‘a queue’ of soldiers. ‘They raped me in a room, one of them was standing on my mouth, and one tied my hand, they were taking turns, I fainted during this.’ Another victim described how she was eight months pregnant when government forces arrested her, then raped and beat her until she lost her baby. ..

"Aaway Somalinimo ?"

Yaa salaam... Soomaalaay isgarawso!!!

FreshPrince;800498 wrote: There was no such thing as "Somalia" prior to 1960. Again, there was no such thing as "Somaliland" prior to 1960. Loool USP, SNL were in British-Somaliland Protectorate. SYL were in Italian-Somaliland Protectorate. UN Trust Territory of Somalia aka "Trust Territory of Somaliland under Italian administration"

Is this legit ? If so then its great Manshallah.

AUN

Cambuulo iyo bun;798270 wrote: ma iyaga dhulka loogu yimid? I always thought that they emigrated hundreds of years ago from Tanzania and Mozambique,, The vast majority were brought from places like Tanzania, Mozambique and Burundi. This idea in ayaga dhulka loogu yimi is not true, at all statements like that are pure doqonnimo... people read into your own history. Generally they are the latest groups to arive in Somalia e.g. 18/19 hundeds. Iskadaa goortay yimaadeen ee, Somalida were there long before and had kingdoms and empires as far back as the 12 century and city-states far earlier. The Bantu expansion southwards and the Cushitic/Somali expansions southwards is smething you might want to read into. - though it is not related to the topic per se.