loooooooooool No wonder why Tahelka.com is shut down by the indian goverment for not being a credible news reporting website. They mix things up. The company they are talking about was a division of Al-Barakaat and was providing internet connection for Somalia. The US government shut it down and froze its assets along with its Al-Barakaat parent company. I think it was called SOMALIA INTERNET COMPANY or something very close. Tahelka.com just couldn't get their facts straight again. lol

Originally posted by Mobb_Deep: Islam Forum has become the third largest hmmm, I didn't notice that. Thanks.

Originally posted by Baashi: HonAfrique, I've already chosen a career and I'm gonna stick to it for now. Baashi, I guess it is hard to give up the fun in engineering design and process developement. Who wants to be politician oo internetka laga caayo.

Tamina and Kheyr, "Makruh Tahrimi(extremely detestable) - is a category of Makruh, and is defined as offensive in the extreme, and close to the Haram in the fiqh". It is much different from "Makruh Tanzihi" or atleast that is what I remember from my brief study on fiqh many years ago. lol Off-topic: Libaax-Sankataabte's personal view My main issue with Oral sex, other than its status as "makruh tahrimi" in Islam, is a moral and ethical issue. It is my view that the basic sexual conducts or principles generally accepted as right in our Somali culture should not be ignored in pursuit of sexual liberty. When the rule of Allah is not clear enough on an issue, our values or the standards by which our Somali society defines what is desirable and undesirable should be upheld including those of sexual nature. Knowing that moral conduct in one sociocultural system is a taboo in another, I can honestly say oral sex is offensive to my accepted cultural standards of decency or modesty. According the values I was brought up with, it would be CEEB for me to practice such act. I found the following piece on the net! Please read for your own benefit. ______________________________________________ SOME ISLAMIC TERMS REGARDING HALAL AND HARAM Here is a list of the terminology used by Islamic scholors in reference to halal and haram in Islam. Halal - That which Allah and the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) have allowed to be done in a lawful manner. Haram - that which Allah and the Prophet have completely and specifcally forbidden. Engaging in an act that is Haram (i.e. eating food like pork, drinking alcohol, having sex outside of marriage) would lead to punishment in the Next Life, and maybe even in this Life. Makruh - Something that is not liked. Also defined as offensive. Mashbooh - questionable or doubtful. Mushtabahat - This is described as the “grey area” that is found between Halal and Haram. It has also been defined as questionable. It is based on the Hadith: "What is Halal is clear and what is Haram is clear. Midway between them are things which people do not know whether they are Halal or Haram. He who keeps away from them will protect his religion and will be saved. He who aproaches them is very near to Haram, like a shepherd wandering his flock near Hima (protected grazing land), who could soon enter the forbidden area, and Allah's protected area is what He has declared forbidden.” Makrouh Tahrimi - This is a category of Makruh, and is defined as offensive in the extreme, and close to the Haram. Makrouh Tanzihi - Another category of Makruh. It is defined as less offensive, but still extremely distasteful. Tayyibat - This refers to all things which are made halal for Muslims. Zabiha - An animal slaughtered (or the process of slaughtering) according to the Islamic method without which flesh of a halal animal is not lawful for the food of a Muslim. Macasalaama

Rahima, Latiifa, Kheyr, Mobb_deep, and the rest I would be happy to share this article with you. Like Rahima stated, it is more productive that we bring forth daleels based on the Koran and Hadith or any fatwas repudiating the act. I hope we can learn something valuable from this article. I found this article to be very helpful on this topic. From my understanding of the following piece, it is best to reject this practice without any hesitation. ORAL SEX IN ISLAM: Oral sex between a husband and wife is considered as Makruh Tahrimi by the jurists, since there is strong possibility that by ejaculation, Mazi occurs and enters the mouth of the partner. There is consensus amongst the Fuqahaa that Mazi is Najis (impure) ORAL SEX: Man has been created as a bearer of high and noble attributes. In him he mirros the attributes of divinity (Sifaat-e-Ilaahiyya) such as life, knowledge, power, will, sight, hearing, speech, love, etc. In the authoritative Tafseer of the aforementioned Aayat, it is said that Insaan (man) has been adorned with the Noor of Aql (the light of intelligence). This celestial faculty of intelligence creates in Insaan the capacity for the manifestation of the lofty and divine attributes of Allah Taãla. By virtue of the Noor of Aql man becomes incandescent by being a mirror for these lofty attributes and manifestation (Tajalliyaat-e-Zilliyah and Sifaat-e-Zaatiyyah). As a direct consequence of this lofty pedestal which Insaan occupies in the Divine Scheme, the mantle of Khilaafah (vicegerency) has been conferred on him. Stating this fact, the Qurãn declares: 'Verily I shall be creating on earth a Khaleefah.' In the Tafseer of the Aayat mentioned at the beginning, it is also said that in relation to all the species of life, man has been endowned with the most beautiful form. All other animals have been created in a lowly form with their heads downwards. Their faces constantly pointing downwards to the earth indicate their low rank in relation to man. In contrast, man has been created upright and he eats his food by means of raising it with his hands unlike the lowly beasts with faces downwards. HIS DEBASEMENT: In the Tafseer of the Aayat, it is said that when man willingly destroys his natural ability to progress to the pedestals of elevation, he degenerates and falls from his lofty mansion. He then falls to levels lower than the level of dogs, pigs and even Shayaateen. SUPERIORITY: According to the authentic Tafaseer, prior to the creation of Aadam (Álayhis salaam), the Malaaikah (angels) entertained the opinion that Allah Taãla will not create any being superior to them. Allah Taãla negates this opinion of the Malaaikah by creating Aadam (Álayhis salaam) and making him a manifestation of divine attributes. To illustrate Insaan's superiority over all pecies of creation, Allah Taãla commanded the Malaaikah to make Sajdah (prostration) to him (Nabi Aadam (Álayhis salaam). The superiority of man is well emphasised by the statement of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam): 'Allah created Aadam in His (Allah's) form.' Insha Allah, this Hadith will be explained in greater detail in some future issue of 'the Majlis'. Here it is sufficient to mention the interpretation of the authorities intelligence, sight, hearing, etc. These lofty attributes are located in that part of the human body called head. It is for this reason that Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) forbade striking or slapping the face of any human being or even an animal. In the Tafseer of the Qurãnic Aayat which permits husbands to beat wives in cases of necessity, it is said: 'The face shall not be slapped'. Explaining the reason for the prohibition of slapping the face, Imaam Nawawi (RA) says in his Sharhul Muslim, 'Because the face is the embodiment of man's beauty in addition to it being of sublime nature.' THE LATAA-IF-E-SITTAH: In man there are six metaphysical or non-material or spiritual faculties known as the Lataa-if-e-sittah. Two of these lofty faculties, viz. Lateefah Khaafi and Lateefah Akhfa are located in the head. The Lateefah Akhfah is located in the centre of the brain while the location of Lateefah Khafi is between the eyebrows. The functions of these faculties are the highest states of reflection and contemplation, progressing from the high state of Fana to Fanul Fana. These are spiritual or Roohani stages which shall not be discussed in this article. PATHWAY FOR QURÃN: In the Ahaadith, the following narration appears. 'Verily, your mouths are pathways of the Qurãn, therefore purify your mouths with Miswaak'. The Makhaarij or places from whence Qurãnic huroof (letters) emanate are located in the mouth. The high Ibaadat of Tilaawat of the Qurãn shareef is effected via the mouth, hence the Hadith describes the mouth as the 'pathway of the Qurãn'. Since it is, literally speaking, the channel for the recitation of the Qurãn shareef, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) emphasised much the maintainance of its purity. The emphasis on the purity of the mouth could be gauged from the many times Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) would use the Miswaak everyday to clean his mouth. The practice of Miswaak is strongly stressed by the Shariáh. In one Hadith, Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) said, 'When the servant of Allah uses the Miswaak and then performs Salaat, an angel stands behind him, listening attentively to the recitation of the Qurãn. The angels draws closer and closer to the reciter and places his mouth on the mouth of the reciter. Thus every word emanating from the mouth of the Musalli enters the angel's mouth. Therefore, maintain your mouth pure and clean for the Qurãn. ZIKRULLAH: The actual purpose underlying the creation of man is Zikrullah or the remembrance of Allah Taãla. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) ordered Muslims to maintain their tongues fresh with the Zikr of Allah Taãla. The facts mentioned above will indicate that Insaan is Ashraful Makhlukaat (the noblest of creation) and the noblest part of his body is his head which is the location for lofty faculties and attributes which earn for him the designation of 'the form of Allah'. In order that he maintains his lofty rank and progresses continuously towards loftier mansions and closer Divine Proximity, it is essential that man exercises restraint over his physical and animal qualities. If he fails in this respect, he will descend to a level below the lowly beasts. Allah Taãla has endowed man with intelligence, will-power and shame. He must employ these attributes to subdue his animal and carnal desires and refrain from indulgence in the excesses of lust. If he fails in this achievement he will annihilate himself spiritually and degenerate to sub-animal levels. The sublimity of Islam is of such a lofty degree that it exhorts its adherence to adopt dignity, deportment and propriety in even sexual relationship. Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) advised his Ummah to abstain from total nudity when indulging in sex and not to behave 'like asses'. Since Islam is a culture of transcendental values calculated to ensure maximum remembrance of Allah Taãla, a Muslim should not debase himself to a sub-animal level by resorting to the vile practice of oral sex. The mouth of Insaan is the pathway of the Qurãn, his tongue has been commanded to remain fresh with Zikrullah; his mouth is situated in the noblest part of his body; the functions of his mouth are noble and lofty; his mouth is a passageway for transference of the recited Qurãn into the mouth of the listening angel. He cannot, therefore, debase and dishonour himself so disgracefully by resorting to the revolting practice of oral sex. A Muslim should not dishonour that head and face which the Shariáh of Islam commands to be honoured. Allah Taãla honoured the human head with noble qualities, the highest being the Noor of Aql, but man debases that lofty part of his body by indulging in an act of bestiality not even committed by the lowly beasts. It does not behove man in general, and a Muslim in particular to degrade himself in this manner. The Mu'min's link with Allah Taãla is so strong or ought to be so strong that the Shariáh has prescribed a particular Duá to be recited even when a man approaches his wife for sexual relations. Even at the moment of reaching climax and ejaculation, the Muslim is required to read in his mind (without moving the lips) a special Duá so that he remains protected from any Shaitaani interference. We learn from the Hadith of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam) that Shaytaan attempts to interfere with man even while he indulges in lawful sex, hence the wording of the special Duá for this occasion is: 'O Allah! Protect us from Shaytaan and protect the offspring you grant us from Shaytaan'. Allah Taãla has honoured man highly, hence the Qurãn says, 'Verily, we have honoured the sons of Aadam.' He is therefore not allowed to debase himself with the bestial acts which even the lowly beasts do not commit. The mouth is an honoured part of the physical body. It is not a receptacle of impurity. The Shariáh emphasises the maintainance of its purity. Even in the developing foetus, Allah Taãla has arranged for the maintainance of the purity of the mouth. The umbilical cord connects the developing embryo to its mother. It is the passageway in which exchange of nutrient and waste materials with the circulatory system of the mother takes place. In man the umbilical cord arises at the navel below which is the location of the rebellious Nafs which reduces man to sub-animal levels if not restrained. Why does Allah Taãla not create the foetus with the umbilical cord attached to its mouth so that its nutrition reaches it in the normal way, viz. Via the mouth? Right until the very last moments prior to its emergence into the external world, the baby's nutrition is via the umblical cord. Immediately on reaching the outside world its nourishment reaches it from the mouth. Since the umbilical cord is also the passageway for impure waste matter, its connection is near to the location of the lowly nafs. The mouth has thus been guarded against impurities. The facts presented in this article should be sufficient to convey to Muslims that their Imaan and the spirit of the teachings of Islam do not permit them to grovel in the dregs of debasement and perpetrate moral injustice by utilising the mouth for deriving sexual pleasure. This is not the function of the mouth. It is a misappropriation of an amaanat (trust). All parts of the body are Amaanat which have to be utilised in accordance with the instructions of Allah Taãla. Such contamination and moral pollution as entailed by oral sex are most unbecoming the dignity and rank of man, especially if the Insaan appears to be a follower of the illustrious Shariáh of Muhammad (Sallallaahu Álayhi Wasallam). Allah Taãla states in the Noble Qurãn, 'Verily, Allah loves those who purify themselves.' Extracted from 'The Majlis' Vol. 6 No. 8 And Allah Taãla Knows Best. Was salaam Mufti Ebrahim Desai FATWA DEPT. http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/OralSexInIslam.htm

Oblivion, "Cadde" nickname means "madoobe" in the complex reer-bari language. lol I heard he was given the nickname because he is so dark. Soomaalidu waa cajiib.

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Thanks for apologizing Hibo. This is not the right time for back-and-forth attacks.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I shall defend to the death your right to say it." --Voltaire (French philosopher)

Hibo, OG and Kool_Kat, his identity will not be revealed due to a request from his family. We just have to respect that request. It is also my believe that it is good for the marxuum that we don't show his identity because we don't want others to be scrutinizing his "assumed" net character. The fact that he was one of us two days ago, posting and debating with the rest, should just qualify him for our prayers. WE ARE A FAMILY HERE. Ilaahey ha u naxariisto, samir iyo iimaana faamilkiisa ha ka siiyo.

Inaa Lilaahi wainaa Ileyhi Raajicuun. This is a terrible news. One of the pioneers of this nomad phenomenon, the main man behind the UKSSA, a friend of Somalia Online, and an active nomad on this website (HE HAS JUST POSTED A TOPIC AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY) has just passed away in LONDON, UK. Maxamed Ismaaciil was an outstanding nomad, very kind and a harworking student. He was my good friend. He has just finished his masters degree and was about to persue other endeavors. Allah has his own plans. No one knows what the cause of his death is, but the autopsy is still ongoing. I am very positive the UK nomads (including Maskiin Macruuf Aqiyaar who is just visiting London) are all going through a very difficult time. From everybody at Somalia Online, ILAAHEY WAXAAN UGA BARYAYNAA MAXAMED ISMAACIIL INUU JANADA KA WARAABIYO, DAMBIGIISANA ILAAHEY DHAAFO. Aamiin. We will not reveal the identity of the nomad (SOL username) under any circumstances. Let us all pray for him. We are all a big family here.

loooooooooool All the nomads who realy know me are probably laughing at you all. Guys, are you serious? Specially Pimptrezz. Saxibayal, This topic is from SEVENTEEN months ago, and It was actually a instinct joke at the time to get folks talking on that boring day. lol. She released her first album on June 2001 and this thread was written six months later so you can guess she was hot in the charts those days. Getting back to this debate, some of you use the arguement that a person can't be a Somali if he or she is carrying an anglo-saxon/western name. Well, that premise doesn't really hold true. Without denying facts about a person like Key's true origin (she is not Somali), there are generations of nomads lost in this country. I know Brian Reckter who admits that he is originally a Somali. You would never guess or think this man has any drop of nomad blood in him. Bisaad oo Marqaansan, since you're basing your assumptions about me on that picture, my wife is many times more attractive than her in real life. Mansha Allah. How could I be obsessed with her when I have something better? BTW: I was single seventeen months ago. I just got married couple of months ago But Keys is cute. Let no one take that away from her. No doubt.

Shaqsii, contrary to what Ameenah, Barwaaqo and Hibo might say, cooking is a "science" not art. From R&D to existing methods, Women are falling behind lately.

Hibo it is not Kitten's avatar walaahi. This thread is haunted. Run for your life.

ExDane, people who frequent the Islamic forum are more likely to give you more serious (academic) answers than the rest. If you like it to be moved back to the general forum, I would gladly do so.

Originally posted by SomaliaOnline-President: Time to pull some overnighters. lool. Waad iga qoslisay saxib. I thought you had a big plan.

Hope this helps also. I'll keep your article feature(on top) till you get the answers you need quickly.

Sami, your Somali is improving, but I still see some spelling mistakes. Baashi and HornAfrique, where are you guys?

Originally posted by LANDER: Barre was responsible for more atrocities then all of them combined. Exactly.

I will not check another Ameenah link unless I get some guarantees. Bloggers are quite handy specially when you are isolated away from home or reporting to an outside audience.

Lazie, you are allowed to have your opinion. That is what makes us a family. But believe me, I am a good judge.

I couldn't help but notice how the top 5 posters of Somalia Online shown by the MEMBER LIST link are all among the coolest and the most respectful nomads on this website. _________________________ JamaaL-11 - 1094 posts S.O.S - 1000 posts Shujui-1 - 936 posts nuune - 790 posts BARWAAQO - 785 posts ____________________________ Thanks for setting good standards. I am sure many more "youngesters" will admire your class and cool intellect as this website grows. Stay nomads.

Bari_Nomad, good article. I wish the people of Puntland peace and prosperity. I am sure General Cadde Muuse and Colonel Abullahi Yuusuf will eventually sort it out. It is important for the people of puntland Here are some images about the celebrations in Boosaaso. <img src=" http://www.puntlandstate.com/images/dayax/06/cadde4.jpg" alt="" />

New aliens who start replying politely instead of creating tons of their own "not-so-friendly" topics everyday, have a better chance of being welcomed by the majority of the nomads here. It is just an accepted rule. Remember, this is a big but close family and it is always a good policy to check things before you start, learn from the others here, and read old threads or find out if your topics have already been discussed. ISOLATION can be avoided if you show good manners, and start respecting others in general. As far as the rules are concerned, you should have recieved a private message when you registered. Everyone does.