lol@qudhac.

Sammurai, when people are extremely angry, they sometimes become irrational and do absurd thing. From what I gather, Islam doesn't permit such actions.

Just another paranoid warlord. Nothing more.

Let me see if I can drop a complicated piece of af-soomaali art. Hadde maandhooyin waa Ilaahay mahaddiis inaad afkiinnii hooyo u bareerteen, waxaanna idinku guubaabinahayaa inaad halkaa ka sii waddaan sidii aad ugu babardhigi lahaydeen xanuunka idinku soo fool leh. Waxaan kaloo idiin rajaynahayaa inaad ku wareertaan madax xanuunna ka qaaddaan lahjadaha kala duwan ee uu Eebbe ku manaystay luqaddeenna barkaysan. Waa iska habaar waalide waxba haka nixina yaryarkaygiiyoow. Guul iyo caano.

Originally posted by Nafisa: laftirkayga mid yaroo jalaqsan oo iska dhal ah hadaan helo waan ku qaban lahaa, ee hooyo yaa iga fujinaaya hee lol@nafisa, I agree for many Somalis regardless of where he/she was raised, marriage decision, for the most part, still comes down to family. I noticed that many heads turn when someone brings up the issue of "African Americans", but I remain at a loss as to why no one felt compelled so far to mention the "ostracized" ethnic Somali tribes back home who first and foremost share look, culture, religion, language and everything else with other Somalis but have been mistreated and disrespected since time immamorrial. Walaalayaal, as we all know, this prejudice and negetive perception held by the majority of Somalis, be it against others or against each other, is not necessarily based upon a mere skin shade, kinky hair or having foriegn roots. The underlying issue, I believe, is quite more complicated than that. In essence, it would be nice if we thought of putting a fresh spin on our attitudes towards others from a different angle and focused on embracing "Soomaalida la quudhsado" first. I mean, whoever (male or female) that is willing to test the waters with "foriegners" should start first thinking about his own. The reason, among other things, being that it would seem rather far-fetched enough, per se, when a Somali starts advocating for "mixing with others" when his/her own backyard is still a Berlin wall for many of his own family. Visit http://www.midgaan.com Somalidu waxay ku maahmaahdaa: ninkii tiisaba daryeelaa tukalena ku dara.

Originally posted by Sophist: quote:Originally posted by Ameenah: Sophist is pulling a 'show off' stunt and is making the nomads aware of the fact that any one can go into the House of Commons (including himself) - hence belittling Mr. Riyaale's visit last week. Childish, I say :rolleyes: Aniga hade foodleyda lama aan tirsado. Foodley=ciyaal=child=childish. Sophist, xaashaa lilaah sxb. Odeyaashu cayda kuma degdegaane inanta ka yara xishood. Waxaa fiican in la kala wanaagsanaado. If you found Ameenah's comment to offensive, all you could ask for was an apology instead of plunging the topic into a namecalling fiasco. Halakala xishoodo oo ha lakala weynaado saxib. Waa iga talo.

Waaryaarahee, waar gabdhaha ha xagxaganinee, isku yara xishooda. Hibo, xaal gaado. I believe Gediid meant no harm, It is probably a misunderstanding. I can see how you would take that an offense though because we are not here to redicule and belittle each other's questions. This is what it all comes down to. Too much xagxagasho against anyone who opens his mouth to ask a simple question.

Originally posted by QUANTUM LEAP: they shouldnt accept any such deals besides returning Malis Shq, I think this is just a street talk. Riyaale wasn't there to accept any "deportation" deal. It is probably a propaganda.

Waryaahee, waar bal inankan Spadez bal ila eega, waar bal horta nin yar baad u egtahee u yara kaadi. hadaladaada ka fiirso. Is yara deji. Even though I broke it down for you, If your head still tells you MANY = MOST, I beleive we have a real problem. Houston, we have a problem. Saxib, this is not a blame game against you or anyone else in particular unless you feel utterly accused. This website has many folks who are hypocrites and tribalist. It is a fact and there is not an inch of doubt about it. Odayaasha iyo aniga isu kaaya daa, makraa mid iyaga ka mida soo wakiilo, dabadeedna su'aalo i waydii. Oday weyn baan ahee kama bixi karo hadal bilaa macni ah iyo dood aan loo joogin PS: May I also ask you kindly not to insult others saxib. I am asking in a brotherly way. I have seen you call MMA a "sick hearted" person and that is just not nice. Dont' get personal with other folks. AYOUB, the FBI is run by her majesty.

lol@Gediid, I thought you were the real Whodini. Malaha magacii anaad igu soo wareejisay. AYOUB, malaha FBI wararka u gudbisaa. Shshshs. haka hadlin arimahaa.

Terrorists.

Originally posted by Spadez: most of the Somalilanders Spadez, I think most Somalilanders on this website fall into the 3 category because a large number of them don't even post in the politics section. I don't have to lump Somalia and Somaliland issues together every time I write post and I am not obligated to do so but I can assure you the other camp is as bad as you have already seen. Tribalism, high emotions, hypocrisy, insults and hate are just part of the daily rituals of many SOMALIWEYN supporters here. It doesn't really need a genius to figure that out.

Shujui-1, the Kenyan flag is taking over huh?

Ameenah, was that televised? I am not sure about this but I think I heard a while ago that the Mayor of London is a jew. If that is the case it is understandable or atleast expected part of his discomfort to be stemming from the ban on the Jewish scull cap in France. Who knows.

Originally posted by stpaulchick, Darman: And then their lips are dark as hellllllll looool why dont they apply the magic Diana solution to the lips too?? What are you guys talking about? dark lips are beautiful. Have you ever heard of "qalanjo Af-madow"? lol I think dark lips are very attractive. Waryaa, Darman, you like girls to have "af-biijo" like the famous Caraweelo who used to fry male balls for dinner huh?

Thanks Stpaulchick and Poet. I've already met you and 99% of the 4000 registered folks here with or without your knowledge. Call me popular or sneeky. lo@Sade, I must admit, your name is kind of confusing for many nomads without the capital "S". I have a strong suspicion your username is a pure Somali word. If it means something else, the only thing I can think of is Sade the famous Nigerian/British singer. Please don't be offended by the picture

Originally posted by underdog: For every woman who feels it necessary to tell the world she can stand alone, there's one who'll tell you she'll stand with you. Very poetic indeed.

Originally posted by Kowneyn: You have to understand who and what kind of people are speaking in the name of Somaliland. Kowneyn and Che, it is apparent to me that many folks use “Somaliland” for different reasons whether they’re part of the top Somaliland admin or participating in active discussion forums like SOL. 1. Some would like to see an independent, genuinely fair, prosperous Somaliland where its people are united, all the clans are fairly represented, and their administration recognized by the world. I call this group the "modern warriors". This group doesn't really hold any deep-rooted grudges against its past tribal adversaries. They are willing to forget past Siyaad Barre injustices against their families and they are very careful not to simplify the suffering of other Somalis as a tool for playing victims. They don’t freak when they hear about “Somali unity”. As a matter of fact, many of them wouldn’t mind seeing it some day if the right conditions are found. This group’s main weapon for advancing their separatist agenda is through communication, genuine feedbacks, dialogue, respect for others, understanding, peace, Somalinimo, wada noolaansho, Islam and civil debates. Boqor Buurmadow is one of them and he is paying the price. Thank Allah, there are couple of the above mentioned landers in this forum. 2. There is the second group which I call the “Qawdhan Qabyaaladiistes”. These folks love to use "Somaliland" as a cheap cover for their tribal bigotry and hatred for certain clans. Their political talk is usually based on emotions, constant accusations, paranoia about others, playing the victim, demonizing reer-hebel through a warlord, etc. They accuse any and everyone who genuinely questions their rationale for secession or their line of reasoning as being a hater, hypocrite, not-real-nationalist, hate-monger, fake, tribalist, warlord etc. Any time Somalia is mentioned or someone brings up the issue of Sool, Sanaag-Bari and Cayn, they become extremely uneasy and fidget as if a death sentence was put on their whole family (one of the traits of tribalist). An argument based on the old British colonial borders is the only tool they got for winning the hearts and minds of the neighboring tribes they wish to build a nation with. You see many of them in this forum claiming to be true Somaliland patriots. Sad. 3. The third group is what I call the “coollies”. They are mostly cool young Landers who don’t really care about politics. They just support Somaliland because of family loyalty or for identity reasons. Sometimes this group carries more SL flags than the other groups but they are mostly harmless and don’t use tribal hatred as a tool to advance their agendas. They like all Somalis and are not afraid to interact with them at any level. Salaama

Guys, I heard many Somalis from Cedar were fired because they couldn't get to work. The funny thing is many lazy Somalis with cars found new jobs because the hardworking bus riders from Cedar were all fired.

Originally posted by Lander: Libaax what is your take on this? Lander, sxb, instability is always a possibility considering our recent tribal conflicts and the current political situation in the horn. But one must be very careful not to portray Somaliland as a state not welcoming other law abiding Somalis merely because of their clan affilition. It truely sends the wrong message which would only re-inforce the perception by some that Somaliland is a state that still upholds tribal privileges despite its recent advances in direct local democracy.

Illaah waxaan uga baryayaa naxariis. Samir iyo Iimaan and a speady recovery for the injured.

That may very well be so Shaqsii. Deportation is becoming a reality. One of my cousins started saving up money incase he is returned from London. He wants to be seen as the "big bad boy from London" when he goes to Hargeisa.

AYOUB, I knew we could depend on you on this. Please post whatever pictures you have of the event. Thanks

Nomads, take a moment off Somali politics and reflect on what is happening in the world. Please give your thoughts on this. TRIBESMEN BATTLE WITH MUSHARAF. (TIME.COM) Reports out of Islamabad suggest that the Pakistani military has cornered a top al-Qaeda leader in the rugged northwestern province of Waziristan — and some government officials are saying unofficially that the man their forces have surrounded may be Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Egyptian Islamic Jihad leader who has operated as Osama bin Laden's Number 2 and is widely viewed as the intellectual architect of al-Qaeda's global strategy. TIME Islamabad Bureau Chief Tim McGirk spoke with TIME.com from the Pakistani capital about this breaking story: TIME.com: What's the latest you're hearing about the possibility that Pakistani forces may be about to snare a top al-Qaeda leader? Tim McGirk: President Musharraf came out earlier Thursday and said he believes Pakistani forces have a "high-value" al-Qaeda leader surrounded. That's the reason Pakistani authorities believe that the 8,000 troops currently hunting al-Qaeda fugitives in south Waziristan are encountering such ferocious resistance. Authorities believe that those who are fighting against the Pakistani military in the area are defending someone of considerable importance, and also that this person may have been wounded, which would explain why they're fighting rather than running into the mountains, the way they usually do. TIME.com: So is the intensity of the fighting the only reason they believe they've netted a big fish? McGirk: There may be other reasons that we don't know about. Unofficially, intelligence people and government officials in the region's capital, Wana, are saying they think it's Ayman al-Zawahiri. The government in Islamabad had been negotiating for two weeks or longer to try and persuade the Waziri tribal elders to hand over the three main tribesmen who are believed to have been sheltering al-Qaeda operatives. The tribes are heavily armed, and they're traditionally allowed considerable autonomy from the central government in running their own affairs. In response to the government's efforts, the tribal elders hemmed and hawed, and then refused to hand over the wanted men — who, in the meantime, had fled. At that point, an informant walked into the military garrison in Wana and said we think we know where these men are hiding, and they're not heavily armed. So, 400 Frontier Corpsmen set out in 13 trucks and 3 armored personnel carriers, but they were ambushed along the way by hundreds of Waziri tribesmen. It was a complete rout. The tribesmen killed about 22 government troops, and are holding hostage at least another 16. And many of the government troops escaped by running to different houses and pleading for mercy, asking to be given civilian clothes and then slipping away. Basically, they deserted. After that incident, President Musharraf decided to break off talks with the tribes. This morning the army went in with loudspeakers and warned residents to evacuate seven villages around Wana. Thousands of families fled. Then the army started shelling these villages with heavy artillery, and firing rockets from helicopter gunships and planes. Even then, when the ground troops went in to mop up, they encountered ferocious resistance. The fighting has been going on pretty much into the evening. TIME.com: What would explain the ferocity with which Pakistani tribesmen appear ready to die to defend Arab terrorists? McGirk: It may sound mediaeval, but Pashtun culture places a higher value on honor than on life. Al-Qaeda operatives in the tribal areas are believed to be living with local families, and some — particularly Uzbeks and Chechens — are said to have married into local families. In the eyes of the tribesmen, for government troops to go in and destroy the houses and force the families off ancestral land is a big no-no. What we're seeing is that because of harsh government action, a lot of tribesmen who couldn't care less about giving sanctuary to Zawahiri or anyone else are feeling that their honor is now at stake, and that they have to defend it. TIME.com: What impact is this hunt for al-Qaeda having on Pakistani society? McGirk: It could have a huge impact if this resistance spreads to other tribes. And we're seeing the first inkling that this may be happening already. An army convoy rushing reinforcements to the battle in south Waziristan was attacked yesterday, in a different tribal area. And in north Waziristan, there was a raid on an army outpost today, in which a major was killed. President Musharraf is taking a huge risk here. These tribes are well-armed and they could make common cause with the Taliban and other anti-coalition elements in Afghanistan. Also, many of the soldiers in the Pakistani military are Pashtuns from the tribal areas, and they're deeply upset about being sent in against their own people. Even in the cities, there's a lot of support for al-Qaeda. One newspaper today published a poll that found 65 percent of Pakistanis said they sympathized with Osama bin Laden. I don't know how accurate that is, but bin Laden is certainly a lot more popular in Pakistan than President Bush. TIME.com: Secretary of State Colin Powell was in Pakistan today, presumably to hold President Musharraf's hand through a tough period. Is Pakistan being rewarded for its cooperation? McGirk: Yes, although in the first instance that reward takes the form of the U.S. refraining from punishing Pakistan over the proliferation of nuclear weapons technology. Where the U.S. might have applied sanctions and cut off military aid over this issue, instead Pakistan has now been declared a major U.S. ally. TIME.com: If they do have Ayman al-Zawahiri, how far can bin Laden be? McGirk: I think he's very close. After all, in every al-Qaeda video, he's right by bin Laden's side. Even if they are hiding in different places, Zawahiri will have better idea than anyone else where bin Laden may be.

Suldaanka, when the religeous stablishments in Somaliland, Puntland or the South try to accuse some western organizations of promoting safe sex with condoms as a gimmick to spread fornication, immorality and other things, their accusations have some merit. I may sound cynical, but I suspect the real issue is not about AIDS but it is rather an attempt by others to somehow entertain the idea of sexual freedom in the land of the Somalis. Clearly, in this case, condoms mean something much more than mere protection. Let me just say this. The distribution of condoms is not the answer for combating the spread of AIDS because it does more harm than good on educating the folks in our country about sex. It creates confusion among many. It leads to people becoming less fearful of this deadly disease. If young, uneducated, poor Somalis with no strong Islamic faith are told they can take measures to avoid AIDS and other terrifying diseases by using a condom, the immoral act of having sex with someone other than a marriage partner will become far more rampant thus spreading the disease even more. Of course AIDS is a danger to our society, but don't you agree monogamy, celibacy or testing are far more affective ways of slowing down the spread of AIDS? My thoughts.