@5 - Thanks. But what I find annoying is that you obviously only just read this thread and it's clear you haven't even looked at recent entries. I haven't been rejected (in fact, they have made it public to family and friends they've accepted me), and I have been embraced. Annoying? Self confident? And...? While we're at criticising one another, while I have nothing against you as I don't know you (nor do you know me) I find you to be annoying, holier than thou, quick to judge (a book by it's cover: being my online handle, that is.) and a little daft, based on what your post has made public to all of us. You're welcome.

Sorry about not being around so much. I've barely seen a computer lately, it seems like. Haha. JazakhAllahu kheyran for all of the advice, and no stress about all of the Somali in thread (even if I do have no idea what's being said 90 perce...Well, all of the time. ) I'm sure I'll pick it up inshaAllah. Some very 'real world' and 'heavy' matters are being discussed with the sisters Dad lately, which is good. I mean, he's definitely listening to everything I have to say, and putting forth his two cents. The mutual dialogue going on here is very beneficial alhamdulillah. Sure, we had the whole rocky road before we met, but now (not sure if I've said this earlier) the family have really made me feel as though I fit in, with out any issues at all. Huge progress is being made, and I've been spending a lot of time with the sister's father (honestly, as much as possible.) and we're getting along famously, from what I can tell. Alhamdulillah. Thanks everyone. Hopefully inshaAllah soon I'll be back in business and spamming these forums like there's no tomorrow.

I don't want to be Somali... I'm happy with who I am.

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Pucca, I think you need to reread this thread. You've missed/ignored a lot. You've also brought up a post from before the apology, post-apology and made some very clear errors in comprehending it (I didn't call anyone a terrible person, for starters). I have nothig against anyone here, just to make that clear. And I hope no one here has anything against me. There have been some very strong words thrown from either side. Can we please just say khalas and move on? The update now is, despite things that were said before, there's been a lot of acceptance on both sides between me and this whole family. The sister and I couldn't ask for things to be going any better. Alhamdulillah. It was all just fear from their side (and mine). I guess her parents, and myself let our heads spin a bit out of control for a while there just before our encouter. But, honestly, I love them to death now, they've been nothing but great to me ever since mashaAllah. Her father and I have really began a great friendship.

Parents met me. They like me. Khalas, it just took meeting once. I ignored all negative replies. They don't matter.

Me and your sister? What do you mean? All Muslims are brothers and sisters. I'm your brother. Like it or lump it, you're stuck with it.

I apologise from my side, as I mentioned at the start I did intend to stay respectful. I do feel respect is a two way street though.

Jacpher;703782 wrote: CHE: He's gonna accuse you of making takfeer statement if you say 'convert' instead of 'revert'. Playing with English words. Look my friend. I didn't ask you to apologize but I asked you to get real or go away. What you asked us is not 'authentic Islamic position' at all. It's an opinion and you got it however positive or negative. We went beyond that and told you you embracing Islam is not guarantee license to marry Somali girl. So basically you worded my posts as convenient for your position? Fair enough, I think? I never said it was a guarenteed license. I embraced Islam many years before even considering marriage as an option. I'm ready, this sister's ready, we're Muslim, we both wish to get married to one another. In accordance to our deen, there's nothing wrong with it. In fact, it's a good thing for both of us. So where is any kind of issue here? Besides that of nationalism, racism or cultural toying? You say 'get real' to my view, well I not only say 'get real' to yours, but also 'wake up'. I didn't accuse you of takfeer for saying convert either, I don't mind either way. Not fussed at all. You called me an 'imposter convert'. That is where the warning to be careful of making takfeer on someone came from, why must you twist things like that? I mean, if anyone is playing with words here, by omission at least, it's you. Go back and read it. Everyone can see what you wrote.

Che -Guevara;703780 wrote: Are you saying your deen is the ONLY right way? By way, since you are following the deen to the letter, I don't think a Muslim should react like you did! How did I react? By responding? Whoops? When did I claim to follow the deen to the letter? I'd like to say so, but I never did. That's not my place to assess, I try and would love to say I do but of course I cannot. But no matter how good we are there's always room for improvement. I'm saying THE Deen is the only right way. Correct.

Che -Guevara;703775 wrote: Say Bismillah, calm down and I still recommend you to Nur! Oh, I am going to Nur inshaAllah. JazakhAllahu kheyr.

I'm fully decisive. How many more assumptions do you need to make? The fact that I posted this thread should go to show I'm fully decisive and if the family were a scapegoat, I would have said 'see ya later' already, I also would not have spoken to a Sheikh about the issue. Still skipping posts? Over zealous converts, 'stickler for the religion'. Am I expected to apologise that my deen is my way of life, all of a sudden? Just, wow. Name calling? I was called an imposter...I don't remember calling Jacpher anything, though I do remember writing a summary on his attitude, based on what he's shown us and never denied... Oh, he also called me a 'drama queen'.

Jacpher;703771 wrote: The more you fuss and moan about this girl and Somalis, the more I tend you agree with Ngonge. Go away you imposter. A real convert won't be such a drama queen. Go away imposter. And for the last time, stop telling us you could marry this girl in accordance with the deen without her parents acceptance. I apologise (Well, actually I don't.) for posting the authentic Islamic position. It clearly offends you. Don't like what I have to say, don't read it. Simpler that it sounds, really. Drama queen? How? Looking for advice? Alright, I'll accept that? Imposter? Pretty comical! You essentially make takfeer in your post, and call me an imposter ('convert') Muslim. AstaghfiruAllah. The irony is absolutely delicious. (That is, you calling me an imposted but outwardly, actively and seemingly proudly going against Islamic teachings, that is.) Funny kid. Again, still eagerly awaiting your daleel. As Muslims, authenticity in positions is a fardh, just some advice.

Don't be a stickler for religion? Well, that pretty much sums up your attitude towards the deen and explains your utter disreagrd to all that Islam teaches us on this issue. Why are you even responding to this thread? Culture first, deen somewhere after that. It was obvious from the second you started posting. May Allah guide you and us all. Pissed by you? I'm not pissed by anyone here, I'm pissed at what's been written by people who claim to be Muslim brothers and sisters, actively supporting contempoary PROBLEMS in the Muslim world. I can tell you now, this sister has told me straight out she has little interest in culture, and that's good. She is Muslim first alhamdulillah. I won't isolate her from the halal, but will from the haraam as I expect her to for me. Like practising people inshaAllah. I have asked someone with authority, just yesterday. Who said "AstaghfiruAllah" in response to attitudes on this forum I told him of. That was his first word, though people have indeed disputed that there has to be an Islamic reason for rejection, amongst Muslims. You skipped many posts? I got from you, and many others, the second I realised you have no clue what you are talking about. I'm not as ****** as many here seem to think.